The new king? Which win was more impressive Jon over Gane or GSP over Bisping?

[Tweak896]

I did ask it, and you are correct, that was the narrative everyone said. I thought it would be similar and Jones would choke out Gane.

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That was a good thread and I read it when you posted it, but looking back now to gauge people it's pretty mixed. Lots of people obviously downplaying Bisping and bringing up how Gane is legitimately top of the division. You made a pretty straight on prediction.

 

[chaos_36]

Actually you revising history as Bisping being an easy win is revisionist. Odds were even going into the fight.

Most fighters were picking Bisping too.

Fair point but I wonder how many of them knew about them training together and Georges schooling him? I'm not saying Bisping isn't good I'm just saying the Georges knew from training together he had a clear path to victory and like I said it was the tail end of his career and he had one eye, the eye which Georges hit with a left hook to setup the finish too btw. Recency bias and the ease of Jones' win will make this win seem less impressive and thus bolster Georges win comparatively but we need to remember what folks were saying before Jones did this to Gane too.

 

[AmonTobin]

This thread desperately needs a poll!
Gane was so helpless in the grappling department I have to think Bisping was the tougher fight. Yes he was cherry picked by GSP but he was a smart, well rounded fighter with great cardio and durability. Jones’ quick win speaks as much to his greatness as a fighter, as it does to Gane’s ineptitude at the ground game.

 

[DestinedAussie]

There can only be one.

Time to decide Sherdog.

Obviously Gane over Jones. Bisping was a clear cherry pick. Not many sherdoggers believed in Jon and he made Gane look very bad.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

I think he won because Rockholds chin was shattered by TRT Vitor. His chin was never the same after that fight.

lol you do realize Ping got KOed by Vitor Belfot too? and lost an eye as a result? terrible example..

 

[Fact Checker]

Kennedy is the only one whos outgrappled Roger in MMA. You didnt even watch his fights. Mo KOd him standing. That was his only other loss. He tapped everyone else he fought besides Jardine who he dominated.

Bisping fought Kelvin 2 weeks after getting dropped and choked unconscious. Gane wasnt even good enough to become champ in a much worse division.

So GSP is the reason Kelvin beat Bisping? Lol stop it.


Jacare, Yoel, Weidman, Mousasi, Whittaker, Brunson, Adesanya, etc would’ve all destroyed Bisping. It’s the reason they protected him from all the real contenders and let GSP cut the line… because he was the only beatable champ for GSP.



This is the cold hard truth. Nobody respected Bisping then, nobody respects him now.

 

[ZxxRnn]

bisping ducked romero

 

[OldBoy91]

Him getting that title shot in the first place was a fluke.

Thats irrelevant. He beat the lineal champ and the consensus #1 middleweight on the planet. That makes him the legitimate champion. That's how championship succession has always worked since the 1800s and the days of bare knuckle pugilism.

It shows how braindead people on here are when they say Bisping, a guy who KOed the lineal champ and consensus best in the world in his weightclass, was a paper champion, yet call Khabib, a guy who beat the 11th or 13th ranked guy or something ridiculous like that, for a vacant belt was a legitimate champion.

Sherdog is completely fuckingnass backwards and haven't got a clue lol.

 

[OldBoy91]

So GSP is the reason Kelvin beat Bisping? Lol stop it.


Jacare, Yoel, Weidman, Mousasi, Whittaker, Brunson, Adesanya, etc would’ve all destroyed Bisping. It’s the reason they protected him from all the real contenders and let GSP cut the line… because he was the only beatable champ for GSP.



This is the cold hard truth. Nobody respected Bisping then, nobody respects him now.

That's a whole lot of opinion which is worth fuck all.

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

People really saying out of prime Bisping who had multiple losses and 1 working eye in a sport that needs depth perception is a better fighter than one of the two best strikers in the HW divison? Yes, even though Gane's grappling sucked his striking was on par with the scariest KO artist in the history of the heavy division.

Even past prime Bisping is a better win. Gane has zero grappling and was outwrestled by Francis, all Jon had to do was get him to the ground once and he’d win.

Francis is scary but let’s not pretend others hasn’t stood with him. Lewis beat him standing and so did Stipe in the first fight and both were tagged and weren’t knocked out. Gane is an elusive striker, he didn’t stand and bang with Francis.

 

[Masturbin]

He had just beat the middleweight GOAT and former champ. Steroid Andy was still damn good when Ping beat him. Shit Andy still looks good today

Nah age and popping ruined Silva, he was clearly post prime.

And even then Bisping got koed by Silva during the fight so still a fluke.
Bisping needed to win one more fight to get a ts and would have lost to every real contender.

 

[Kb7]

1. HW>MW
2. Jones completely dominated, while GSP fought a close fight until one of the late rounds.
3. Bisping had multiple defeats, was out of prime, and wasn't even top 2 of his division. GSP didn't want to move up to fight Anderson but wanted to move up as soon as Bisping became champ. Shows how little GSP thought of him.

Bisping is had skills in MMA that gave GSP problem that is why it was a close fight.

Jones completely dominated Gane because Gane is one dimensional & unskilled in MMA.

Different skills in opponents.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

GSP is my all-time favorite fighter. But the answer easily is Jones.

 

[funkjunky]

Bisping was much better fighter than gane. No question.
That fight was terrible . When conor moved up is was 10x better and he's a scumbag

 

[sylvalant]

Even past prime Bisping is a better win. Gane has zero grappling and was outwrestled by Francis, all Jon had to do was get him to the ground once and he’d win.

You know who else was outwrestled by Francis? Stipe, longest reigning HW champ who happens to be a wrestler.

Francis is scary but let’s not pretend others hasn’t stood with him. Lewis beat him standing and so did Stipe in the first fight and both were tagged and weren’t knocked out

Neither Stipe or Lewis actually beat Francis standing. Lewis was afraid to engage and merely won on points and volume of baby punches. Lewis did not come out of that fight looking better in striking than an Ngannou who wasn't gun shy. Stipe only won the first fight by wrestling, and Stipe was wrestling because he was getting rocked standing and knew he'd lose the fight if he kept standing.

 

[humdizzle]

what jones did is far more impressive. 205 to a 265 pound weight class

 

[Masturbin]

Thats irrelevant. He beat the lineal champ and the consensus #1 middleweight on the planet. That makes him the legitimate champion. That's how championship succession has always worked since the 1800s and the days of bare knuckle pugilism.

It shows how braindead people on here are when they say Bisping, a guy who KOed the lineal champ and consensus best in the world in his weightclass, was a paper champion, yet call Khabib, a guy who beat the 11th or 13th ranked guy or something ridiculous like that, for a vacant belt was a legitimate champion.

Sherdog is completely fuckingnass backwards and haven't got a clue lol.

Penis Hallman could have subbed prime Hughes.
Getting to the belt is half of the journey.

You can take shortcuts and skip the line but you don't get to have the full hespect if you do that.

 

[Fact Checker]

That's a whole lot of opinion which is worth fuck all.

You would’ve picked Bisping to beat anyone of the guys I just named (who were all in their prime)?


Thought so.

 

[Masturbin]

1. HW>MW

lol

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

Nah age and popping ruined Silva, he was clearly post prime.

And even then Bisping got koed by Silva during the fight so still a fluke.
Bisping needed to win one more fight to get a ts and would have lost to every real contender.

Andy would’ve never landed that shot on bisping if he didn’t turn to ask the ref to give him his mouth guard and the round ended and bisping instantly got up and won the next 2 rounds. Yeah he could’ve fought another contender but it’s not like he didn’t beat the #1 MW in the world in 1 round lol