The modern day U FIGHT CHEAP fen simply doesnt understand how insane K-1 was

[Ludwig von Mises]

What part of different sports do u not understand

this means something if you're talking about well rounded fighters who mix it up


It means nothing for the guys I listed above. Their MMA fights are literally kick boxing matches in cage with small gloves.

 

[volcom5]

"Progresses"

yea Jamal Hill and Kalil Rountree are the definition of "evolution" and progress

Shameless fanboy imbecile guzzling U FIGHT CHEAP corporate slop

Adesanya and Pereira are definitely evolution and progress. I never mentioned RounTree or Hill.

UFC is the only MMA org that matters currently, you clown rat. And saying U fight cheap just shows your still stuck in the past.

Delusional, clown rat.

By the way Jones would beat 10 Fedors in one night. EASY.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Adesanya and Pereira are definitely evolution and progress. I never mentioned RounTree or Hill.

UFC is the only MMA org that matters currently, you clown rat. And saying U fight cheap just shows your still stuck in the past.

Delusional, clown rat.

By the way Jones would beat 10 Fedors in one night. EASY.

Yea this sport has never seen kickboxers witn no ground game before

 

[volcom5]

Yea this sport has never seen kickboxers witn no ground game before

This sport also has never had kickboxers reach this level of champion and defended multiple times, one of them being even 2 a division champion. Something Mirko Filipovic or any of the kickboxers you mentioned has ever done.

You Rainbow colored British Cigarette.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

this means something if you're talking about well rounded fighters who mix it up


It means nothing for the guys I listed above. Their MMA fights are literally kick boxing matches in cage with small gloves.

Incorrect..

The vary rule set and gear changes the sports..

In kickboxing there is ZERO chance of being taken down ...this dramatically affects what techniques and even what stance you use in a fight...

Furthermore gloves play a huge factor in striking contests and thats why in sports like Boxing ...glove selection is almost an art form for boxers they all have a certain glove weight and even brand they prefer ...down to the padded type... Small gloves make a big difference with kickboxers especially those who ear muff to block that doesn't work when your opponents hand can slip in-between your guard...


Again two different sports...and this has already been proven with fighters from the era u speak about...

Youve already ignored this once but I'll say it again..Kevin Randleman KOed Mirko standing...many other fighters from those K1 days also got flatlined in MMA..Chuck Liddell KOed Overeem ...a "U fight Cheap" guy as u claim ...


Your categorically wrong... Roundtree just fighting in Kickboxing or Muay thai would do just fine it would actually be easier for him then MMA...same goes for Izzy and Alex ...



I get the hype of nostalgia is real...but dont be fooled...a punch is a punch whether its 2003 or 2024 and Alex .P has a deadly left fucking hook...in any ERA

 

[markantony20]

KOed by Kevin Randleman hahaahah

That’s acting like Randleman wasn’t the most explosive athletic guy we’ve ever seen in MMA.

 

[volcom5]

Incorrect..

The vary rule set and gear changes the sports..

In kickboxing there is ZERO chance of being taken down ...this dramatically affects what techniques and even what stance you use in a fight...

Furthermore gloves play a huge factor in striking contests and thats why in sports like Boxing ...glove selection is almost an art form for boxers they all have a certain glove weight and even brand they prefer ...down to the padded type... Small gloves make a big difference with kickboxers especially those who ear muff to block that doesn't work when your opponents hand can slip in-between your guard...


Again two different sports...and this has already been proven with fighters from the era u speak about...

Youve already ignored this once but I'll say it again..Kevin Randleman KOed Mirko standing...many other fighters from those K1 days also got flatlined in MMA..Chuck Liddell KOed Overeem ...a "U fight Cheap" guy as u claim ...


Your categorically wrong... Roundtree just fighting in Kickboxing or Muay thai would do just fine it would actually be easier for him then MMA...same goes for Izzy and Alex ...



I get the hype of nostalgia is real...but dont be fooled...a punch is a punch whether its 2003 or 2024 and Alex .P has a deadly left fucking hook...in any ERA

You’re having a conversation with a troll that hasn’t moved on in combat sports past 2010. He’s been banned 5x in the past year, him creating a new email for a new account just to spew the same shit shows not all pistons are firing right.

 

[markantony20]

Poatan got rekt by K1 MAX LW Artryr Kyshenko

Are you sure Poatan got rekt by K-1 MAX LW Artyr Kyshenko?

Because I don’t think you’ve told us enough.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

That’s acting like Randleman wasn’t the most explosive athletic guy we’ve ever seen in MMA.

the skill gap between the two was supposed to humongous on the feet...

Everyone thought and knew Randlemans.path to victory was wrestling and GNP..

Kevin thought different.

 

[markantony20]

Kyshenko is legit but he also fought as a LW and wouldn't even qualify for a K1 HWGP.

Why does that matter when his bout with Alex was contested at 81kgs?

 

[markantony20]

the skill gap between the two was supposed to humongous on the feet...

Everyone thought and knew Randlemans.path to victory was wrestling and GNP..

Kevin thought different.

Understandable, I’m only saying with how ridiculously explosive he was him KO’ing anyone on the feet wasn’t super out of the question even if that path was far more dangerous.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Why does that matter when his bout with Alex was contested at 81kgs?

Because Kyshenko wouldn't even quality for a K1GP in the golden era and that's where Alex would have to fight.

This would be like a young Badr Hari or Tyron Spong or Gokhan Saki losing to a LW. Wouldn't happen.

 

[Oz.Pride]

Lol delusional

Poatan got rekt by K1 MAX LW Artryr Kyshenko but would give peak Hunt the business?

Bro Hunto said himself that he had no idea what he was doing in k1 just street brawling.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

Bro Hunto said himself that he had no idea what he was doing in k1 just street brawling.

Certainly that means he's no match for Israel Adesanya

 

[DayV]

lol, clown rat.

Keep living in the past. Israel Adesanya would embarrass Mirko Filipovic in a one sided decision. Pereira would put him to sleep.

You’re comparing 185lb fighters to Heavyweights? That’s how far you have to go to diminish what Pereira and Adesanya did in their amazing careers? Lol.

In MMA both Pereira and Adesanya blows Mirko’s career out of the water, Pereira’s kickboxing career in terms of titles and legacy is better than Mirko.

Adesanya would certanly not embarras Mirko Filipovic in the ring. Adesanya is classic example of UFC octagon big round space distance runner. Cro Cop could beat both Adesanya and Perreira on the same night in the ring, as he did against top fighters when he won Pride Grand Prix in 2006, K-1 Grand Prix in 2013, or when he reached K-1 1999 Grand Prix finals.

Both Adesanya and Perreira are 193 cm tall Heavyweights cutting weight by extreme diet and starving out, and extreme nutricionism during their careers to gain and advantage in size. They invest a hell lot of effort just to cutt weight. Anyone 193 cm tall who is sportsman, muscular, in training; can carry 100+ kg with no problem. Cro Cop was fighting at 95-102 kg his whole prime at HW, and that is what those "Middleweights" actually weight on fight nights.

In MMA both Pereira and Adesanya blows Mirko’s career out of the water, Pereira’s kickboxing career in terms of titles and legacy is better than Mirko.

Why? Because some organisation gave them out belts for every fight, in different system and different context, while in Cro Cop's time and organisation belts were rarely given. Then Cro Cop should have got Barnett's UFC belt, since he was the first one who defeated him after he won it, and UFC/world lineal belt from Kerr, when Mirko beat Fujita. Mirko was first to beat Hunt in K-1 after he became champion, first to beat Sapp aftee he dispatched Hoost 2 times, guess those would all be belts in modern ssystem and context. Cro Cop was supposed to fight for Pride belt in 2006/2007, he was the first in line, but he simply could not get it due to external
factors out of the ring, demise of Pride and politics.

Cro Cop has a lot more wins against good opponents in K-1 and MMA than Adesanya and Perreira. True kickboxing fans who were not born yesterday will when talking about kickboxing think about Cro Cop more than about Perreira or Adesanya.

 

[Oz.Pride]

Certainly that means he's no match for Israel Adesanya

I didn't say Izzy, although he could have troubled him, maybe

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

I didn't say Izzy, although he could have troubled him, maybe

No he wouldn't. Izzy would have gotten clobbered lol

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

The Potards won’t like this

 

[volcom5]

Adesanya would certanly not embarras Mirko Filipovic in the ring. Adesanya is classic example of UFC octagon big round space distance runner. Cro Cop could beat both Adesanya and Perreira on the same night in the ring, as he did against top fighters when he won Pride Grand Prix in 2006, K-1 Grand Prix in 2013, or when he reached K-1 1999 Grand Prix finals.

I’m not convinced, Adesanya would embarrass Mirko and Pereira would put his lights out. There’s no chance Mirko would beat both of them in one night. Mirko’s opponents for the OWGP in 2006 were….Lol. Minowa, Yoshida, a bloated Wanderlei Silva(one of the most overrated fighters ever) and a Barnett who just went through hell against Noguiera and don’t forget the eye poke.

Both Adesanya and Perreira are 193 cm tall Heavyweights cutting weight by extreme diet and starving out, and extreme nutricionism during their careers to gain and advantage in size. They invest a hell lot of effort just to cutt weight. Anyone 193 cm tall who is sportsman, muscular, in training; can carry 100+ kg with no problem. Cro Cop was fighting at 95-102 kg his whole prime at HW, and that is what those "Middleweights" actually weight on fight nights.

That’s not how body composition works, you’re telling me Jalen Turner who is 6’3 or Will Chope 6’4 could fight at HW? Just because they’re does not mean they can carry and fight at HW with “no problem”. You think Mirko could make 185lbs? Mirko has naturally bigger frame than those “middleweights.” Cro Cops lowest weight recorded was 104-106kg that’s a far cry from 95kg to 102kgs, but sure nice try to buddy.

Why? Because some organisation gave them out belts for every fight, in different system and different context, while in Cro Cop's time and organisation belts were rarely given. Then Cro Cop should have got Barnett's UFC belt, since he was the first one who defeated him after he won it, and UFC/world lineal belt from Kerr, when Mirko beat Fujita. Mirko was first to beat Hunt in K-1 after he became champion, first to beat Sapp aftee he dispatched Hoost 2 times, guess those would all be belts in modern ssystem and context. Cro Cop was supposed to fight for Pride belt in 2006/2007, he was the first in line, but he simply could not get it due to external
factors out of the ring, demise of Pride and politics.

In Mirko’s time and organization he fought in, the HW belt barely defended because circus fights against cans were much more exciting for these elite fighters. Why would Mirko get Barnetts UFC, belt, it’s not even in the same org. That’s like saying Werdum is the Pride HW champion because he beat Fedor after he won it. Mirko fought for the Pride belt, he couldn’t capture it. Even after the best he’s looked in his MMA Career during the OWGP, less than year later he goes 1-2 in the UFC. And how convenient the Pride fan boys cry that Mirko is out of his prime.

ro Cop has a lot more wins against good opponents in K-1 and MMA than Adesanya and Perreira. True kickboxing fans who were not born yesterday will when talking about kickboxing think about Cro Cop more than about Perreira or Adesanya.

Cro Cops best wins in MMA were Igor, Barnett, Randleman and Wanderlei….Adesanya and Pereira best wins in MMA blows Mirko’s out of the water. I’ll give the K1 wins but not MMA, Mirko benefitted by beating fighters that didn’t belong in the ring with him.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

This sport also has never had kickboxers reach this level of champion and defended multiple times

Poatan would never have reached that level 10 years ago because Jon, DC, Rumble, Gus, Bader, Glover, Davis etc were all around.

Evolution indeed.

In MMA both Pereira and Adesanya blows Mirko’s career out of the water

Poatan got belts and defended them but it doesnt tell the whole story. His actual wins arent any better than Cro Cops, in fact they're probably slightly below.