Social The left was right about almost everything in the 2000s

[ricc505]

Trump was a democrat 20 years ago . He knows that party is the more competent one and uses many of their ideas as his own to stand out as a Republican being the car salesman he is , to bad he just didn’t use actual practical policies the democrats used but he also has to cater to his cult followers and ruin many things and make life purposely difficult just to appease them . Lol

Trump was openly Democrat, openly admits he was a Democrat. Trump is in my opinion a Clinton era mainstream Democrat, and possibly a little more left of Bill at that time. The American population center aligns with Trump. The Democrats have moved too far left. They could be coasting of they didn't lose their fucking minds

 

[GuanoApes]

Liberals were not against Iraq or Afghanistan. You’re making that up. The Iraq vote was fairly evenly split on the left, and I don’t recall anyone against us becoming involved in an Afghanistan for years. Code Pink and the Dixie Chicks were about the only ones vocally against either war as I recall.

Liberals were not against Afghanistan. You are correct.

A lot of people supported Barack Obama in 2008 though because he was all gung-ho on getting US troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan..

Obama promises 10,000 more troops for Afghanistan

Presidential candidate to visit war regions as he pledges to shift focus from 'misguided effort in Iraq'

www.theguardian.com

 

[IanEdwards]

Liberals were not against Afghanistan.

A lot of people supported Barack Obama in 2008 because he was all gung-ho on getting US troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan..

Obama promises 10,000 more troops for Afghanistan

Presidential candidate to visit war regions as he pledges to shift focus from 'misguided effort in Iraq'

www.theguardian.com

something tells me that formed a very minor part of actual voters actual voting decisions. It certainly didn't appear as a material factor in exit polling data/etc. ainno increase in minority vote getting out there all pumped over Afghanistan thats for sure

 

[Andy Capp]

Liberals were not against Iraq or Afghanistan. You’re making that up. The Iraq vote was fairly evenly split on the left, and I don’t recall anyone against us becoming involved in an Afghanistan for years. Code Pink and the Dixie Chicks were about the only ones vocally against either war as I recall.

Liberals were not against Afghanistan. You are correct.

A lot of people supported Barack Obama in 2008 though because he was all gung-ho on getting US troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan..

Obama promises 10,000 more troops for Afghanistan

Presidential candidate to visit war regions as he pledges to shift focus from 'misguided effort in Iraq'

www.theguardian.com

Indeed, there was broad bi-partisan support for intervention in Afghanistan in many countries, but Iraq, not so much. The Canadian government elected to stay out of it and it was a very popular decision. There wasn't nearly as strong an international consensus for Iraq.

 

[HereticBD]

The Canadian government elected to stay out of it

Yes and no.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

yeah, with cultural icons like Joe Rogan, Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock, Riley Gains and Ted Nugent, and famous actor Mel Gibson, its a cultural juggernaut with huge momentum nowadays.

- See. THe leftards poked fun at pro-wrestling being fake. While the tards suport people pretending to be woman, but withouyt the corage of actuallu chopping the dingo off. And Hogan is a cultural icon in the world biggest sport

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Weres the stupid private operator beards?It's a must here in shooting rangers

 

[cincymma79]

The left signed nafta and then made fun of this guy through 2020





So anyway, if you have a memory longer than five minutes everyone knows op is a total lie

 

[Confucamus]

To an extent. It was also based upon the other side having a stick up their asses for damn near everything. Funny how the left is thought of that way now, and the right are seen as the cool people.

It's almost like something changed within their respective ideologies, or something...

Man, I can remember feeling the Right had such ass backwards views back in the 2000's, yet now it's flipped to where they are the more common sense party. Not to let them off the hook at all for some of the shit they push, but the Left has gone so far left they turned the whole country off.

 

[Andy Capp]

Man, I can remember feeling the Right had such ass backwards views back in the 2000's, yet now it's flipped to where they are the more common sense party. Not to let them off the hook at all for some of the shit they push, but the Left has gone so far left they turned the whole country off.

lol @ common sense

Like cutting taxes while increasing expenditure? Gerrymandering? Climate change denial? That's somehow different from the Bush era? Well, there's electing a convicted criminal, I guess. Isolationism too, perhaps, but do you think that's a good thing?

Can you list any examples of "the left" having "gone too far" that doesn't involve bringing up transgender people?

 

[White Whale]

Liberals were not against Iraq or Afghanistan. You’re making that up. The Iraq vote was fairly evenly split on the left, and I don’t recall anyone against us becoming involved in an Afghanistan for years. Code Pink and the Dixie Chicks were about the only ones vocally against either war as I recall.

Pat Buchanan was against the US involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Beechwood]

The left has changed quite a bit over the last 10 years.

These days they are in favor of biological men playing in woman's sports.

They don't like men.

They don't care much for white people.

Everything is about race.

Many of them think favorably of communism.

They believe in censorship of those they disagree with.

They believe in de-banking those they don't agree with.

They thought well of COVID lockdowns.

 

[Deaths Head]

Trump was openly Democrat, openly admits he was a Democrat. Trump is in my opinion a Clinton era mainstream Democrat, and possibly a little more left of Bill at that time. The American population center aligns with Trump. The Democrats have moved too far left. They could be coasting of they didn't lose their fucking minds

Wheather they went to far left or not doesn’t mean we didn’t end up with even more crazy on the other side which historically it will show under democratic leadership the country is in a better place .

You can literally do a very bad B movie on this current administration, if you did one before unfortunately they took over no one would believe it to be remotely be a possibility in real life it’s something out of the comedy Airplane movie but in reverse with doing bad things intentionally and unintentionally all in one . Lol

 

[Lycandroid]

Seems underdiscussed. As an Old, I was a liberal in the 2000s. Here's what we were right about:

• We said the war in Iraq & Afghanistan was a mistake. Crazy how almost everyone agrees with this now, including Trump & all the populists on the right. Who's still pro-Iraq war? Dick Cheney? David French?
• We said free trade (we called it 'globalization' then) was a mistake. The left was against NAFTA and China entering the WTO, those were always big Republican positions. Does anyone disagree these days?
• We said gay people should be able to marry each other. This was a super-controversial view in the 2000s. What's the approval rating on gay marriage now? Like 70%?
• We said weed should be legalized. This was always a big leftwing position. Today it's legal in 40 states medicinally- including super-red ones- and straight up legal in 24 states

The 'right' wing today is just the left from 20 years ago. Change my mind

None of those were universally supported by the left, they were all contentious issues.

The reality is the hard right moral majority conservatives have died out, the Liberals from back then are closer to the conservatives today and the liberals of today are the furthest to the left we have seen.

 

[Spam On Rye]

Conservatives will be pushing for chemical castration and child grooming in 20 years.

 

[Scerpi]

Seems underdiscussed. As an Old, I was a liberal in the 2000s. Here's what we were right about:

• We said the war in Iraq & Afghanistan was a mistake. Crazy how almost everyone agrees with this now, including Trump & all the populists on the right. Who's still pro-Iraq war? Dick Cheney? David French?
• We said free trade (we called it 'globalization' then) was a mistake. The left was against NAFTA and China entering the WTO, those were always big Republican positions. Does anyone disagree these days?
• We said gay people should be able to marry each other. This was a super-controversial view in the 2000s. What's the approval rating on gay marriage now? Like 70%?
• We said weed should be legalized. This was always a big leftwing position. Today it's legal in 40 states medicinally- including super-red ones- and straight up legal in 24 states

The 'right' wing today is just the left from 20 years ago. Change my mind

The Left (and Democrats) have moved to the extreme left.

The Right has drifted towards the middle

Myself included...

However, I always thought Iraq was a giant mistake. Seriously stupid. Afghanistan had to happen, but we should have left 15 years ago.

And I always thought that Lesbians and Gay men should be able to share in the misery of marriage just like us straight dumbasses. Why should they get excluded... lol

 

[Scerpi]

Conservatives will be pushing for chemical castration and child grooming in 20 years.

Hahahaha...

 

[Crazy Source]

Liberals were not against Iraq or Afghanistan. You’re making that up. The Iraq vote was fairly evenly split on the left, and I don’t recall anyone against us becoming involved in an Afghanistan for years. Code Pink and the Dixie Chicks were about the only ones vocally against either war as I recall.

Not speaking to the politicians voting for it, but it was the left that were in the streets and around the water cooler talking about Iraq being complete bullshit. It was the right (at least in my circles) that were chanting, "yur either for us or against us!". I realize this is anecdotal, but that seems to be what happened across America.

 

[Hdfi]

Nowadays the left doesn't even know what a woman is.

 

[White Whale]

Leftists spawn Nazis.