The key to beat alex pereira handily is pretty easy

[MEAN357]

Inside fighting ona guy with a fucking murderous short lefthook lol

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[StonedLemur]

Inside fighting ona guy with a fucking murderous short lefthook lol

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Fantasy video game logic sir lol.

 

[GUY]

I believe that as well, plus Izzy has never been an offensive grappler. So I don't think Izzy will try and grapple with Pereira like everyone thinks he's going to do. For one it's not his style, and two he will have the size/strength disadvantage. I think people underestimate Pereira's defensive grappling because his striking is so strong. But he would be smart enough to know that everyone would want to try and take him down instead of striking with him and his main training partner is a high level grappler in a weight class above at LHW. So the power and skill level he trains with is better than what he's going to be experiencing at MW for the most part. For sure Glover's strength and grappling skill level is better than Izzy's by a long shot. Izzy got controlled by Jan, and Glover out-grappled Jan.

I don't think Pereira is going to be a fish out of water like everyone thinks he will be. They have already tried to wrestlefck him in his earlier fight and he got a KO with a flying knee. I think people are just hoping he is weak there because that's the only path to victory people think is possible vs Pereira.

I was one of the few people here saying Ngannou should grapple Gane, now I am one of the few saying Israel shouldnt grapple Pereira

Here is my reasoning:
1-Gane was clearly the superior striker to Ngannou. Israel and Pereira are evenly matched
2-Ngannou had size and strenght advantage. Israel doesnt.
3-Ngannou was the one shot guy, he could afford to have a sloppy entry against Gane and get caught. Israel can not. Pereira is the one punch KO guy on that fight. He needs to be defensively responsible, getting caught coming in for a takedown can be the end of the fight for him.

 

[Ramon Antonio]

You say that as if Pereira doesn't have knees or clinching skills lol.

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

Yeah Izzy does not excel at any of those aspects, thus why its an intriguing fight.

Alex might not go far traditionally in MMA, but he presents a unique challenge to the champion.

 

[chinarice]

Izzy is gonna outstrike Pereira and sherdog is gonna meltdown when izzy wins again

Can't wait

 

[Poirierfan]

Yeah Izzy should just fight like Cain Velasquez

Exactly, super easy.

 

[Shoguns Prodigy**]

That sounds literally the opposite of izzy.

 

[Vairloff]

Pressure + fighting inside+ take down
First all I'm not a hater of this guy I just think he is not proven as an mma fighter, he just beat a couple of bums and uber drivers.. Sean strickland is a legit win but guy fought in a very stupid way
I think the best way to beat this guy is to put pressure, put him against the fence cain velasquez style and box the shit out of him in close distance body shots dirty boxing elbows, hit the body, he can't generate too much power in his shots when in clinch then take him down, He is long so I dont think he is good fighting inside, also he cuts a lot of weight and doesnt seem to be that strong pysically.
Everyone here know that the ufc put this guy favorable matchups to fast track a title fight vs adesanya

So your saying UFC hiring bums and Uber drivers?

 

[6 Pack Lapadat]

The thing is, Izzy doesn’t pressure guys he counter strikes to a large extent. He doesn’t fight on the inside, he fights at a distance so he can pick away at opponents and time counters. And, Izzy doesn’t shoot for takedowns and use them as part of his game.

Of course Izzy can change up for this fight. And Izzy may win even if he doesn’t change up. Hard to tell. But just pointing out Izzy does not match the style you describe as the way to beat
pereira

 

[jeff7b9]

While it's not as easy as TS makes it sounds, a couple of counterpoints:

• He's not going to catch everyone who closes the distance with a super powerful left hook. No one is good enough to do that every time, especially in MMA when you also have to watch people diving for your legs
• His grappling is all speculation until it's tested. We've seen many fighters train with elite MMA guys (and sometimes elite specialists in BJJ, wrestling, striking, etc.) but never become very skilled in areas outside their wheelhouse. Alex is 35 and spent the vast majority of his life in pure kickboxing. He may or not may develop serviceable skills in TDD, sub-defense, clinching, etc.

To counter your counter points:

Alex has already demonstrated he can catch Izzy with that left hook, knock him clean out cold and on an oxygen mask... Izzy is an elite striker and he will certainly be looking for it, but that left hook is a problem.

Also, and this next thing is a major problem for Izzy:
Alex is as big/bigger than Izzy, so Izzy's entire base strategy of using his reach to stay out of range is out... This is often a nightmare scenario for tall strikers, look at how Jones struggles against tall guys.


- While Alex's grappling is "speculation" ...

You know who is unlikely to be the guy to expose it? The guy with ZERO takedown attempts in his UFC career.


Any way you slice it this is a very dangerous night at the office for Izzy.

 

[mkt]

To counter your counter points:

Alex has already demonstrated he can catch Izzy with that left hook, knock him clean out cold and on an oxygen mask... Izzy is an elite striker and he will certainly be looking for it, but that left hook is a problem.

Also, and this next thing is a major problem for Izzy:
Alex is as big/bigger than Izzy, so Izzy's entire base strategy of using his reach to stay out of range is out... This is often a nightmare scenario for tall strikers, look at how Jones struggles against tall guys.


- While Alex's grappling is "speculation" ...

You know who is unlikely to be the guy to expose it? The guy with ZERO takedown attempts in his UFC career.


Any way you slice it this is a very dangerous night at the office for Izzy.

So you're assuming this is all about Izzy. I'm assuming it's about any fighter, most likely a grappler with a decent chin and ability to pressure fight. I'm not sure how many there are now, but prime versions of Chael, Weidman, etc. would be guys who could follow that strategy.

 

[jeff7b9]

So you're assuming this is all about Izzy. I'm assuming it's about any fighter, most likely a grappler with a decent chin and ability to pressure fight. I'm not sure how many there are now, but prime versions of Chael, Weidman, etc. would be guys who could follow that strategy.

Yes, I was referring to the upcoming title fight, but if we were to expand the discussion I would refer back to my original post, that it would be far easier said than done to successfully get inside on Alex, his left hook and knee strikes present a significant danger to any fighter attempting a single/double leg takedown and setting it up with striking is no picnic either as Alex is a better striker than everyone and bigger, longer, with exceptional understanding of range and he possesses a ton of KO power.

Prime Chael is a problem for any middleweight ever, I'll agree with you there. In part because Chael had VERY under rated (or perhaps just overlooked/ignored) boxing. If you watch Chael's fights he really didn't get hit clean often. But... That was against his era of strikers, and Alex is a beast. But given his experience, and assuming a prime Chael is a juiced Chael, I'd give him a slight edge.

The only problem is, Prime Chael, or Prime Weidman, don't exist in 2022.

Vettori seems like a tough matchup on paper, but I'm not sure it would be enough, maybe...

The thing is, we don't really know if Alex can be held down, so it is guesswork, imo to assume that wrestling beats him, I would like to see him tested in that area after the Izzy fight, win or lose.

 

[613]

yeah the headbutt master using his head, without ref intervention also he was 6ft 1 / 6'2 not that tall. Bowe was excellent and one of the very few tall guys who could box very well inside.

You are embarrassing yourself

 

[mkt]

Yes, I was referring to the upcoming title fight, but if we were to expand the discussion I would refer back to my original post, that it would be far easier said than done to successfully get inside on Alex, his left hook and knee strikes present a significant danger to any fighter attempting a single/double leg takedown and setting it up with striking is no picnic either as Alex is a better striker than everyone and bigger, longer, with exceptional understanding of range and he possesses a ton of KO power.

Prime Chael is a problem for any middleweight ever, I'll agree with you there. In part because Chael had VERY under rated (or perhaps just overlooked/ignored) boxing. If you watch Chael's fights he really didn't get hit clean often. But... That was against his era of strikers, and Alex is a beast. But given his experience, and assuming a prime Chael is a juiced Chael, I'd give him a slight edge.

The only problem is, Prime Chael, or Prime Weidman, don't exist in 2022.

Vettori seems like a tough matchup on paper, but I'm not sure it would be enough, maybe...

The thing is, we don't really know if Alex can be held down, so it is guesswork, imo to assume that wrestling beats him, I would like to see him tested in that area after the Izzy fight, win or lose.

Yeah, Izzy and Alex both have the advantage of no prime Chael/Weidmans at MW. BJJ guys are different unless they have unusually good wrestling/TDs. Remember, Anderson wasn't threatened at all by Maia or Leites ground games, and I'd say Vettori is more like them than a really good MMA wrestler.

 

[Lawrence]

not really, short guys have the advantage fighting inside

 

[mudrubble]

Key to beating anyone in a fight:

Be a better fighter than them.

Or else just knock 'em out! I don't see why Izzy wouldn't simply adopt the simplest pass of leash resistance: knock 'im out...

 

[kellier]

I think there's holes in the theory that the best way to beat the Glory x2 weight champ is to stand in the pocket and "box the shit out of him"....

Personally, I'd have gone with wrestling

 

[FIghtxIQ]

I was one of the few people here saying Ngannou should grapple Gane, now I am one of the few saying Israel shouldnt grapple Pereira

Here is my reasoning:
1-Gane was clearly the superior striker to Ngannou. Israel and Pereira are evenly matched
2-Ngannou had size and strenght advantage. Israel doesnt.
3-Ngannou was the one shot guy, he could afford to have a sloppy entry against Gane and get caught. Israel can not. Pereira is the one punch KO guy on that fight. He needs to be defensively responsible, getting caught coming in for a takedown can be the end of the fight for him.

I agree on all points. I don't think Izzy should try and experiment with anything new with someone as dangerous as Pereira. Especially since he's never shown the ability to be an offensive grappler in a real fight. Trying that for the first time vs Pereira just sounds like a recipe for disaster. Especially with the size/strength disadvantage plus he may run into a bomb and be out cold. His entries have to be on point and I don't think Izzy would have that kind of fast/slick takedown entries needed to employ that kind of game plan on Pereira.

 

[GUY]

I agree on all points. I don't think Izzy should try and experiment with anything new with someone as dangerous as Pereira. Especially since he's never shown the ability to be an offensive grappler in a real fight. Trying that for the first time vs Pereira just sounds like a recipe for disaster. Especially with the size/strength disadvantage plus he may run into a bomb and be out cold. His entries have to be on point and I don't think Izzy would have that kind of fast/slick takedown entries needed to employ that kind of game plan on Pereira.

actually Pereira should try to grapple Israel if he is losing on points