The Joys of Communism

[Milan]

Look at the big google on Brett

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I'm sorry that you can not understand how "socialism" and "democratic" can not exist in the same universe.
Let me get you the cliff's notes, because you have clearly not read into the abundant historic material on the matter.
For a "real socialist" society (i.e. Utopia) to emerge, one of two things has to happen:

1. Revolution (mob rule), followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat (communism),
2. The community as a whole voluntarily giving up their private property to the state, of which the community democratically has decided that they should do so, and do so peacefully.
Still communism, because you just forfeited all your freedoms.

Both followed by an economic equilibrium (socialist utopia... this never has happened... or if commies like to say: "tried").

1 = 100 million dead.
2 = Never happened, will never happen, because as we learned from all instances of "1", even when held at gunpoint, people will resist.

Socialism is opposite of capitalism.
There are currently only two types of countries:

A. communist countries
and
B. capitalist countries with social security systems.

If anything, kind of working type A countries (China, Cuba, Vietnam) have adopted free market economics because they would otherwise descend into category 1.

 

[skysolo]

 

[skysolo]

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I'm sorry that you can not understand how "socialism" and "democratic" can not exist in the same universe.
Let me get you the cliff's notes, because you have clearly not read into the abundant historic material on the matter.
For a "real socialist" society (i.e. Utopia) to emerge, one of two things has to happen:

1. Revolution (mob rule), followed by a dictatorship of the proletariat (communism),
2. The community as a whole voluntarily giving up their private property to the state, of which the community democratically has decided that they should do so, and do so peacefully.
Still communism, because you just forfeited all your freedoms.

Both followed by an economic equilibrium (socialist utopia... this never has happened... or if commies like to say: "tried").

1 = 100 million dead.
2 = Never happened, will never happen, because as we learned from all instances of "1", even when held at gunpoint, people will resist.

Socialism is opposite of capitalism.
There are currently only two types of countries:

A. communist countries
and
B. capitalist countries with social security systems.

If anything, kind of working type A countries (China, Cuba, Vietnam) have adopted free market economics because they would otherwise descend into category 1.

Now you are arguing with me about the difference between whatever. This was never in dispute.

I said morons don't know the difference so you reply to me with google searches.

I have two questions. Why were you offended at my post? Are you the moron?

 

[The ScorpioN]

There is no "democratic socialism", there's just socialism.
It's a term to fluff up a Marxist agenda and make Marxism-Leninism mainstream palatable.
Just take a look at "democratic socialist" conventions at YouTube. Once they start calling each other comrade, you can be sure as fuck they are commies.

U.S. commies like to point to W-EU countries, which are all capitalist countries with wider social security coverage.
The most funny thing to me (as a European) they prefer to point to the "Scandinavian/Nordic model" ... whom bet heavy on entrepreneurship, low corporate taxes and providing a social security safety net for businesses.

( Also No,Swe,Fi,Iceland) have an abundance of resources, low population density (low cost of living) and near infinite ( renewable ) energy (hydro/wind/hydrothermal) = state treasury backing)

And the most important factor = predictable high IQ populations.

 

[The ScorpioN]

And the establishment was again dealt a blow with *checks notes .... a $trillion tax cut almost entirely benefiting the top 2%

My taxes were cut, I guess I'm the establishment.

 

[Milan]

Now you are arguing with me about the difference between whatever. This was never in dispute.

I said morons don't know the difference so you reply to me with google searches.

I have two questions. Why were you offended at my post? Are you the moron?

You claimed that there is a difference, which I point out: there is none.
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There are too many retards that claim European countries are somehow "democratic socialist" .
Sorry if I mistakenly placed you in that category.

 

[AndroidRage]

There is no "democratic socialism", there's just socialism.
It's a term to fluff up a Marxist agenda and make Marxism-Leninism mainstream palatable.
Just take a look at "democratic socialist" conventions at YouTube. Once they start calling each other comrade, you can be sure as fuck they are commies.

U.S. commies like to point to W-EU countries, which are all capitalist countries with wider social security coverage.
The most funny thing to me (as a European) they prefer to point to the "Scandinavian/Nordic model" ... whom bet heavy on entrepreneurship, low corporate taxes and providing a social security safety net for businesses.

( Also No,Swe,Fi,Iceland) have an abundance of resources, low population density (low cost of living) and near infinite ( renewable ) energy (hydro/wind/hydrothermal) = state treasury backing)

Well retard. What would you call Norway's state owned oil production? How about all those social safety nets? So according to you, Bernie Sanders platform is not socialist? Medicare for all and free college tuition aren't socialist right? That's what all those countries have. And if that is the case then why call US democratic socialists commies if all they want are things that other capitalist countries already have? Is it because you are brain dead? I think so.

 

[Milan]

And the most important factor = predictable high IQ populations.

muh migration flows, muh IQ differences per country, muh can not discuss this because fear of being called white supremacist.

 

[Milan]

Well retard. What would you call Norway's state owned oil production?

Sorry buddy, the state holds majority shares in energy, the rest is public stock.
They own railways and postal, which has not been uncommon in EU.
If anything, the amount of state ownership is declining, not rising.
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How about all those social safety nets? So according to you, Bernie Sanders platform is not socialist? Medicare for all and free college tuition aren't socialist right? That's what all those countries have.

And then you start arguing that the police and military are socialist, because tax payers pay for it, and it serves everyone equally.
It's not one policy taken in isolation, it's the whole package.
You could say that his agenda, if fully implemented, would tilt the system more and more towards communism/socialism.

Karl Marx: to each according to his ability to each according to his need

Progressive taxing is socialist, and that is exactly how the "democratic socialists" want to transition away from capitalism. Through more and more wealth redistribution.

And if that is the case then why call US democratic socialists commies if all they want are things that other capitalist countries already have? Is it because you are brain dead? I think so.

Democratic socialism actually refutes the entire concept of capitalism.
And so I have no idea what you mean with "if all they want are things that other capitalist countries already have".
Can you go over that again in your head please?

 

[Milan]

I edited my post. I said "these morons" don't know the difference and here you come defending morons. So what isn't true? A moron would know the difference? LOL

How come you don't take exception with the moron part? And why are you including people who do know the difference? Are they morons too?

lol, losing arguments, gets upset why people don't react to his childish insults.
And people wonder why reasonable left wing people start to become more and more disenfranchised with the loons.

 

[skysolo]

lol, losing arguments, gets upset why people don't react to his childish insults.
And people wonder why reasonable left wing people start to become more and more disenfranchised with the loons.

Losing arguments...? LOL

I said morons don't know the difference between communism and etc and at least 6 dumbasses reply because that triggered them (somehow). Someone like you.

My post wasn't even about you, but you took offense to me calling no one in particular a moron, thus proving you are the moron. A self-fulfilling prophecy LOL

No wonder, @AndroidRage keeps destroying you.

 

[Handsome Bruce]

These morons don't know the difference between communism, socialism and Democratic socialism.

There is no difference. It is all ultimately communism no matter what silly names you want to use to pretend otherwise.

 

[AndroidRage]

Sorry buddy, the state holds majority shares in energy, the rest is public stock.
They own railways and postal, which has not been uncommon in EU.
If anything, the amount of state ownership is declining, not rising.



And then you start arguing that the police and military are socialist, because tax payers pay for it, and it serves everyone equally.
It's not one policy taken in isolation, it's the whole package.
You could say that his agenda, if fully implemented, would tilt the system more and more towards communism/socialism.



Progressive taxing is socialist, and that is exactly how the "democratic socialists" want to transition away from capitalism. Through more and more wealth redistribution.



Democratic socialism actually refutes the entire concept of capitalism.
And so I have no idea what you mean with "if all they want are things that other capitalist countries already have".
Can you go over that again in your head please?

https://www.equinor.com/en/about-us/corporate-governance/the-norwegian-state-as-shareholder.html

Read that. What does it say about Equinor? Does it say they are state owned? Spoilers, it does!

We already have a progressive tax system. We have for decades. Wtf are you talking about? Lmao. If Bernie implemented every last thing that he wanted. We would still be less socialist than Germany, Norway, the UK, etc etc. Jesus Christ educate yourself. This is embarrassing for you.

 

[skysolo]

There is no difference. It is all ultimately communism no matter what silly names you want to use to pretend otherwise.

Sorry, you make 8.

 

[Mamba Mentality]

"If you vote for the dems the country will fall apart and burn" is going to be a tough sell this election.

COVID --- NO PRESIDENT COULD PREVENT, PREDICT OR CONTROL. LOOK AT HOW THE CDC AND WHO HANDLED INFO EARLY ON.

POLICE BRUTALITY ---- HOW COME BARACK HUSSEIN DIDN'T REFORM THE POLICE IN HIS 8 YEARS AS PRESIDENT?

The country has been falling apart for awhile.

 

[Rational Poster]

There is no difference. It is all ultimately communism no matter what silly names you want to use to pretend otherwise.

Of course there is a difference, that's why there is different words with different meanings for them.

 

[Handsome Bruce]

Of course there is a difference, that's why there is different words with different meanings for them.

The definitions may be different, but socialism and democratic socialism (<Lmaoo>) all eventually lead to communism. Making something sound good in theory does not make it work well in reality. North Korea labeling itself as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea doesn't make it a people's democracy. If you want to see where "democratic socialism" will lead just take a look at what happened to the Democratic People's Republic of CHAZ/CHOP.

 

[Rational Poster]

The definitions may be different, but socialism and democratic socialism (<Lmaoo>) all eventually lead to communism. Making something sound good in theory does not make it work well in reality. North Korea labeling itself as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea doesn't make it a people's democracy. If you want to see where "democratic socialism" will lead just take a look at what happened to the Democratic People's Republic of CHAZ/CHOP.

How about we look at France, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, UK, and Sweden instead?

 

[n...not crazy]

How convinced are you that this isn't the case already?

LeBron James (and his 3/4 of a billion dollars) is being hunted every time he leaves his house. That's the real problem in this Country.

 

[Handsome Bruce]

Kind of like how capitalism today isn't real capitalism right dumb dumb?

You are right. A lot of people are just dumb when it comes to saying: "This isn't real capitalism." Thinking there is some kind of perfect system that will run without flaws and flawed human beings getting in the way is ridiculous. The reality is that capitalism, even at its worst, is still the better option. Communism, Socialism and Democratic Socialism (<Lmaoo>) have a long track record of making countries turn for the worse. Why not work on making capitalism better instead of tossing it away and replacing it with something proven not to work?