The Jordan Peterson Thread - V2 -

[jamesmiller14]

Agreed, and that's very odd considering how unflinchingly liberal he is on the right to free speech. His views on truth are illiberal as all hell.

On truth? I don't understand. I'm a regular listener, please explain your point.

 

[Harmonica]

He's one of my favorite YTers and I appreciate what he adds to the conversation, and he's done more help to my understanding of Nietzsche than anyone else.

He accurately interpreted his "God is dead" theory but that's about it. After that mark, he misinterpreted him completely. And deliberately at that, because there's simply no way an intellectual of Peterson's stature would say stupid things like this:



Nietzsche was critical of dogmatic Christianity? Such a misleading statement. If one hadn't read Nietzsche, what one would get out of this assertion is that Nietzsche was against the corruption of the church, which is absolutely false. He despised Martin Luther and even praised Borgias at one point.

Talk about turning a blind eye. What he was critical about is Christianity's roots, the conditions and drive from which it was born. Still, such a thing coming from Peterson doesn't surprise me, being that he is intent on re-instituting Christianity as West's pillar.

 

[Harmonica]

Lol. This is amateurish at best.

I suppose if a great thinker noted they were influenced by Sesame Street at some point we should give similar credence to its "grounding"? Laughable sophistry on display. What a dodge.

Again, philosophy does nothing. The Jordan Petersons of the world, the Jungs of the world and the like's contributions are gruesomely infinitesimal compared to actual scientists making the world a better place in the laboratory. One Newton has more value than 10 billion of these types. I speak for everyone when I say this.

Man doesn't live on bread alone.



Philosophy and art is what gives meaning to life.

 

[Harmonica]

It just occurred to me - for someone who puts such a high value on truth, Peterson sure skews it a lot, at least as far as Nietzsche is concerned.

Credit should be given where it's due, though. His Jung and Freud talk is legitimate (at least as far as my knowledge of said psychoanalysts' respective work goes). His tips on how to "sort yourself out" are good stuff and can help young people immensely. His examination of the Bible and drawing parallels between mythical stories and everyday life is also very helpful and enjoyable to listen to.

 

[Harmonica]

To clarify - it's not so much that Peterson is flat-out lying about Nietzsche's views on Christianity, it's that he intentionally turns a blind eye on a very important part which bashes the very fundamentals of his own religion - the psychological drive out of which it was born.

Has Peterson ever explored Nietzsche's concept of ressentiment in his lectures? To my knowledge - no. Why? Because it speaks very negatively of Christianity's roots, something Peterson doesn't find useful to his main mission of reaffirming Christianity as West's pillar. It's not that he finds the topic of ressentiment unimportant - on the contrary, he often talks about it at length in different contexts e.g. when rejected, nihilistic kids (mass murderers) wish to cause as much mayhem as possible before terminating their own lives - it's just that he finds it convenient NOT to talk about it in the context of Christianity since it doesn't help his agenda.

Interestingly, in "The Genealogy of Morals", Nietzsche praises the ascetic priest's historic role of tranquilizing the resentful masses in order to prevent the general destruction and mayhem. In my opinion, that part describes Peterson to the letter.

As far as nihilistic worldviews are concerned...Peterson likes to point out that Nietzsche didn't say "God is dead" in a triumphant manner, which is true. Nietzsche knew how crucial the idea of God was to the western civilization. What Peterson fails to mention or deliberately omits is that Nietzsche considered Christianity itself to be nihilistic. Sure, he did agree that having a life-denying-ideal such as Christianity trumps having no ideals at all - being that Christianity's ascetic ideal gives at least SOME meaning to life and as such makes it possible to exist AT ALL, as opposed to having no ideals which would mark the beginning of the end of the world - but he never thought Christianity was anything positive and life affirming in itself.

 

[IDL]

Nietzsche was critical of dogmatic Christianity? Such a misleading statement. If one hadn't read Nietzsche, what one would get out of this assertion is that Nietzsche was against the corruption of the church, which is absolutely false. He despised Martin Luther and even praised Borgias at one point.

Talk about turning a blind eye. What he was critical about is Christianity's roots, the conditions and drive from which it was born. Still, such a thing coming from Peterson doesn't surprise me, being that he is intent on re-instituting Christianity as West's pillar.

Why would someone conflate being against dogmatism, to being against corruption of an organization? These are two separate things.

 

[Harmonica]

Why would someone conflate being against dogmatism, to being against corruption of an organization? These are two separate things.

You're right, they are, I missed the target with that one. It is because I had this particular conversation on my mind as I was writing it, where this one guy tried to convince me how Nietzsche was "against the church and everything it was and stood for, and not against Christianity itself", which is poppycock.

 

[IDL]

You're right, they are, I missed the target with that one. It is because I had this particular conversation on my mind as I was writing it, where this one guy tried to convince me how Nietzsche was "against the church and everything it was and stood for, and not against Christianity itself", which is poppycock.

Ah, fair enough.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

The liberal media sure hates Jordan Peterson, but now they are taking things even farther. In typical leftist fashion, they are now attacking the people who listen to him. The article is telling people that the people who listen to him are stupid and alt-right. From Maclean's Magazine:

Is Jordan Peterson the stupid man’s smart person?

Jordan Peterson is not a neo-Nazi, but there’s a reason he’s as popular as he is on the alt-right.

Spend half an hour on his website, sit through a few of his interminable videos, and you realize that what he has going for him, the niche he has found—he never seems to say “know” where he could instead say “cognizant of”—is that Jordan Peterson is the stupid man’s smart person.

What he’s telling you is that certain people—most of them women and minorities—are trying to destroy not only our freedom to spite nonbinary university students for kicks, but all of Western civilization and the idea of objective truth itself. He’s telling you that when someone tells you racism is still a problem and that something should be done about it, they are, at best, a dupe and, at worst, part of a Marxist conspiracy to destroy your way of life.

-Tabatha Southey

 

[Deleted member 457759]

I think that a lot of Americans are taking Petersons comments about his faith a little out of context and I see this with a lot of yankees because you guys still have a large very religious part of the population. Canada doesn't have that. Most of our Christians are quite moderate and many people who call themselves christians or believe some what in god don't do it nearly on the level you guys do lol.

He mostly see's it as a necessary glue for social solidarity, and I'd like to see anyone quote him basing any of his beliefs on the bible.

 

[IDL]

The liberal media sure hates Jordan Peterson, but now they are taking things even farther. In typical leftist fashion, they are now attacking the people who listen to him. The article is telling people that the people who listen to him are stupid and alt-right. From Maclean's Magazine:

Is Jordan Peterson the stupid man’s smart person?

Jordan Peterson is not a neo-Nazi, but there’s a reason he’s as popular as he is on the alt-right.

Spend half an hour on his website, sit through a few of his interminable videos, and you realize that what he has going for him, the niche he has found—he never seems to say “know” where he could instead say “cognizant of”—is that Jordan Peterson is the stupid man’s smart person.

What he’s telling you is that certain people—most of them women and minorities—are trying to destroy not only our freedom to spite nonbinary university students for kicks, but all of Western civilization and the idea of objective truth itself. He’s telling you that when someone tells you racism is still a problem and that something should be done about it, they are, at best, a dupe and, at worst, part of a Marxist conspiracy to destroy your way of life.

-Tabatha Southey

Holy hitpeice batman

Not quite as bad as the flyers passed around his neighborhood telling everyone that he is a Nazi, but similar methodology to convince people that he's 'out go get women and minorities' by brutally misrepresenting his stances on things.

But, people are paid to write these sorts of things. I guess the idea is to try to turn people off of him before they ever give him a listen and think for themselves. It becomes a sort of joke after awhile.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Holy hitpeice batman

Not quite as bad as the flyers passed around his neighborhood telling everyone that he is a Nazi, but similar methodology to convince people that he's 'out go get women and minorities' by brutally misrepresenting his stances on things.

But, people are paid to write these sorts of things. I guess the idea is to try to turn people off of him before they ever give him a listen and think for themselves. It becomes a sort of joke after awhile.

What I find interesting is that none of these hit pieces actually quote anything specific or form even a simple argument against what Peterson is saying. At most they will take a tiny snippet from a video without any context with the intention of making Peterson appear sinister and menacing. It is always the same nonsense about Alt-Right Peterson rallying the mindless Nazi troops to find a final-solution for women and minorities.

 

[IDL]

What I find interesting is that none of these hit pieces actually quote anything specific or form even a simple argument against what Peterson is saying. At most they will take a tiny snippet from a video without any context with the intention of making Peterson appear sinister and menacing. It is always the same nonsense about Alt-Right Peterson rallying the mindless Nazi troops to find a final-solution for women and minorities.

The target audience would be people unfamiliar with him, so there is no basis to actually disagree with anything written in the article from that perspective, so the default I think would be for people to passively agree, or take that on board. So if someone then mentions his name they would associate it with accusations made that they had read prior.

 

[senri]

To clarify - it's not so much that Peterson is flat-out lying about Nietzsche's views on Christianity, it's that he intentionally turns a blind eye on a very important part which bashes the very fundamentals of his own religion - the psychological drive out of which it was born.

Has Peterson ever explored Nietzsche's concept of ressentiment in his lectures? To my knowledge - no. Why? Because it speaks very negatively of Christianity's roots, something Peterson doesn't find useful to his main mission of reaffirming Christianity as West's pillar. It's not that he finds the topic of ressentiment unimportant - on the contrary, he often talks about it at length in different contexts e.g. when rejected, nihilistic kids (mass murderers) wish to inflict as much mayhem as possible before terminating their own lives - it's just that he finds it convenient NOT to talk about it in the context of Christianity since it doesn't help his agenda.

Interestingly, in "The Genealogy of Morals", Nietzsche praises the ascetic priest's historic role of tranquilizing the resentful masses in order to prevent the general destruction and mayhem. In my opinion, that part describes Peterson to the letter.

As far as nihilistic worldviews are concerned...Peterson likes to point out that Nietzsche didn't say "God is dead" in a triumphant manner, which is true. Nietzsche knew how crucial the idea of God was to the western civilization. What Peterson fails to mention or deliberately omits is that Nietzsche considered Christianity itself to be nihilistic. Sure, he did agree that having a life-denying-ideal such as Christianity trumps having no ideals at all - being that Christianity's ascetic ideal gives at least SOME meaning to life and as such makes it possible to exist AT ALL, as opposed to having no ideals which would mark the beginning of the end of the world - but he never thought Christianity was anything positive and life affirming in itself.

Delicious...

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I think that a lot of Americans are taking Petersons comments about his faith a little out of context and I see this with a lot of yankees because you guys still have a large very religious part of the population. Canada doesn't have that. Most of our Christians are quite moderate and many people who call themselves christians or believe some what in god don't do it nearly on the level you guys do lol.

He mostly see's it as a necessary glue for social solidarity, and I'd like to see anyone quote him basing any of his beliefs on the bible.

The radical fundamentalists in America have done a large disservice to Christianity. Christianity has many diverse sects and ways of worshiping that extend all over the world. Unfortunately, it seems like most people can only think of lunatics like Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps, Ray Comfort and Pat Robertson. There is 2000 years of innovative Christian philosophers, theologians, activists, writers, artists and composers, but the only ones that people point to are the idiots.

 

[senri]

The target audience would be people unfamiliar with him, so there is no basis to actually disagree with anything written in the article from that perspective, so the default I think would be for people to passively agree, or take that on board. So if someone then mentions his name they would associate it with accusations made that they had read prior.

I wouldn't worry, he seems to be assuaging nicely. His power is growing and his cortex is consistently tight. Let us witness to see if his resolve will contort or exfoliate his essence towards that of an icon...

 

[Vitamin C]

Just heard this young lady interviewed on the radio.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ng-assistant-plays-clip-of-gender-debate.html

Apparently her university bosses "literally Hitler"d her. Ridiculous state of academia. I am certainly never going back for a Masters.

 

[Bald1]

Just heard this young lady interviewed on the radio.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ng-assistant-plays-clip-of-gender-debate.html

Apparently her university bosses "literally Hitler"d her. Ridiculous state of academia. I am certainly never going back for a Masters.

So this girl is in trouble for not commenting on a matter that is yet to be settled? Very tolerant and open minded.

This is my favourite part, and should highlight the lunacy of the leftists. -

"The excerpt from TVO’s current affairs program The Agenda shows Peterson, who has famously refused to use gender pronouns other than “he” or “she,...”

And that's why Peterson caught shit and is now labelled a Nazi and such. Not because he advocates anything, but because he refuses to allow others to tell him what he *must* say. Such an important, if basic, point that gets overlooked by his detractors.

 

[hillelslovak87]

The radical fundamentalists in America have done a large disservice to Christianity. Christianity has many diverse sects and ways of worshiping that extend all over the world. Unfortunately, it seems like most people can only think of lunatics like Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps, Ray Comfort and Pat Robertson. There is 2000 years of innovative Christian philosophers, theologians, activists, writers, artists and composers, but the only ones that people point to are the idiots.

Well, those idiots happen to have the largest followings, and the most power out of any christians in the nation. Look at TBN, Daystar, or any other christian broadcast channel. They have hundreds of millions of adherents, eager to lap up their evangelical message.

 

[Vitamin C]

So this girl is in trouble for not commenting on a matter that is yet to be settled? Very tolerant and open minded.

This is my favourite part, and should highlight the lunacy of the leftists. -

"The excerpt from TVO’s current affairs program The Agenda shows Peterson, who has famously refused to use gender pronouns other than “he” or “she,...”

And that's why Peterson caught shit and is now labelled a Nazi and such. Not because he advocates anything, but because he refuses to allow others to tell him what he *must* say. Such an important, if basic, point that gets overlooked by his detractors.

In the interview she said she wasn't allowed to see the complaint or complaints (she doesn't know if it was one or multiple), or even told the content of it(them). I'd wager it's one.

She was just pulled in and chastized, then had a leash clipped onto her collar.

She was told that the issue was apparently her neutrality in showing the clip. She should have condemned Peterson according to her bosses.

So no room for critical thought or analysis. They want her to just preach social justice dogma. In a communications class.