:redface:rory_44 said:ok, just to clear some things up.
1)there is absolutely no attacking the legs in greco. no sweeps, no trips, no entaglments; you can't touch the legs period. If you even use your legs as a pivot point to move your opponents body over you are penalized.
2)Randy Couture is a better greco wrestler, but he also was a division one folkstyle wrestler, which means that hes great at leg take downs too.
3)greco is not seen as the pinnacle of wrestling, and it is not harder on the body.
4)Rulon Gardner did not beat Karelin by outgripping him, he was awarded the judges decision becaue karelin had one more passivity warning than he did.
5) greco guys are not stronger than freestyle guys
6) the rules of greco have been changed this year to make it more spectator friendly, it honestly is like a new sport
tequilaman said:To clear some things up a bit...
3) Throws are always harder on the body than leg attacks. I guess you don't do/have never done Greco? I did Judo for 7 years, and I had to quit, not because I didn't want to do it anymore, but because I couldn't risk repeated injuries to my knee and lower back. I never had any problems as a wrestler at all. So now I have been doing BJJ for 4 years, and no problems. "Pinnacle of Wrestling" is debatable, but really subjective. In Russia, freestyle is what you do when you are not good at Greco.
4) Rulon won because of the new rules at the 2000 Olympics. They were locked up, and Karelin let go of that lock, thereby awarding Gardner 1 point for breaking a clinch. There was no "judges decision", and there are none in Olympic wrestling.
" Gardner got that point when Karelin broke his hands on a clinch early in the second period, the point American silver medalist Matt Ghaffari could not get in his 1-0 overtime loss to Karelin in Atlanta in 1996"
http://espn.go.com/oly/summer00/wrestling/s/2000/0928/785614.html
5) Greco guys usually have small legs and phenomenal backs and upper body strength. Stronger at what? They are probably stronger for doing throws.
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rory_44 said:However, I have done both greco and freestyly, and I am in fact a former national Greco champion here in Canada. http://www.wrestling.ca/results/article.php?id=11 I won the 69kg weight class.
rory_44 said:I appreciate your point of view. I guess I was mistaken about the Karelin match.
However, I have done both greco and freestyly, and I am in fact a former national Greco champion here in Canada. http://www.wrestling.ca/results/article.php?id=11 I won the 69kg weight class. I find greco throws a lot easier than leg attacks. Freestyle is how I blew out my knee and shoulder, and I've never had anything but bruises from greco.
Greco guys are definetly not stronger. They might have better technique for throwing, and better hips. But freestyle requires a lot more full body strength.
colinm said:you're using the most dominant and freakishly strong figure the sport has ever seen as the standard for all greco guys? not that i know shit about greco, its just a bad example.
colinm said:explain this logic, i don't understand it.
colinm said:explain this logic, i don't understand it.
Darwinist said:One thing: When you say no leg attacks, does that mean no reaps or footsweeps either? Or can you attack the legs using your own legs?
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anywhere you know of out west that teaches GR?rory_44 said:I appreciate your point of view. I guess I was mistaken about the Karelin match.
However, I have done both greco and freestyly, and I am in fact a former national Greco champion here in Canada. http://www.wrestling.ca/results/article.php?id=11 I won the 69kg weight class. I find greco throws a lot easier than leg attacks. Freestyle is how I blew out my knee and shoulder, and I've never had anything but bruises from greco.
Greco guys are definetly not stronger. They might have better technique for throwing, and better hips. But freestyle requires a lot more full body strength.