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[johny ringo]

Kamaru Usman had 5 title defences and two of those defences were against the same person oh and


GSP

• Wins in Championship match 12

• Championship record: 12-2 (85.71%)

• Non Championship record: 6-0

• Championship Defences: 9

Decision 8


KO/TKO 1



Kamaru Usman

• Wins in Championship match 7

• Championship record: 6-2 (75%)

• Non Championship record: 9-0

• Championship Defences: 5

KO/TKO 3


Decision 2

As Scott Steiner says the numbers don’t lie

You get a like for the info and the Scott Steiner quote

 

[Yellowcrab]

Lmao now we know you're trolling posting a Brendan Schaub video

Trying to sound smart without any argument

 

[Yellowcrab]

Usman was lucky he was already at his best version after 9 fights instead of getting it too early and having losses early in his UFC career, only to work his way back up the rankings

In my opinion, he could have beat Woodley since the beginning but i could be wrong obviously, it's not perfect science.

Also, Woodley > Hughes.

 

[BFoe]

Don't care, i'm speaking in the UFC.

Then the point in GSP’s career that I’m discussing would be GSP’s 11th UFC fight, and Usman’s 9th (or 10th if we’re counting the TUF finale). My same point still stands.
Sorry bud. GSP >>>>>>>>Usman and it’s not particularly close.

He seems to disagree with you (timestamped) :



But as a Fedor's fanboy, you're stuck in the past, so obviously you won't understand. Also, it doesn't matter if GSP is basically saying the same (with damage control though) : In terms of accomplishments, it is different. I have done stuff that I believe he didn't do yet... But as painful as it could be for any athlete to admit it, the athletes of today are normally better than the athletes of yesterday. And as good as the athletes of today are, the athletes of tomorrow will be better. That's how it is. I don't think the guys are better, I think the technology is better...

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/new...rre-kamaru-usman-considered-welterweight-goat

Also, where are the champions from Canada today, because i don't see any ?

Brendan Schaub disagrees with me?! Oh no!

 

[Hdfi]

1. GSP
2. Hughes
3. Usman

 

[Richard Fannin]

GSP :

- Only 2 fights in the UFC, then offered a title shot that he lost.
- Only had to make 4 fights for another title shot that he immediately lost against a former LW.

Kamaru :

- Had to wait being 9-0 in the UFC to get a title shot.

Well yeah, in the early days you'd get a title shot much quicker, since there weren't many great fighters in the UFC (LW was the only weight class in which PRIDE was arguably not as strong as the UFC).

It's not exactly a secret. I know that you already know all that, but in case someone reads this thread and wonders what's up, might as well give a little explanation:

In the same era, Anderson Silva got his TS after winning one single fight against Chris Leben.
Rampage Jackson got his TS after beating Marvin Eastman, that the UFC brought back just because Quinton needed to beat someone, and since the Beastman had an old win over Jackson (in his first fight ever) it was good publicity.
Rich "Ace" Franklin only needed to win 2 UFC fights before getting a TS against Evan Tanner


Plus, Rampage vs Eastman had already been booked in WFA as the first fight of the "Rampage Rematches Whoop-Ass Tour"
Sadly the whole WFA 5 event was cancelled, which sucks since there were plenty of cool fights like it like Carlos Condit vs Pelé, Machida vs Alex "The Brazilian Killa" Stiebling, Pedro Rizzo vs Heath Herring, Urijah Faber vs Fabio Mello, etc etc...

One of my "favorite" deleted cards, it wasn't on the level of the soul crushing Affliction 3 but it still stung.

ANYWAY
In the modern days you have to win much more, especially if, like Usman, you're perceived as being another boring wrestler who only wins decisions (he even won his friggin' TUF fights via decision)

We would have to wait for the PRIDE/UFC merging for title shots to take longer to get, unless you were coming from another big promotion with their belt and were on a crazy run, like Strikeforce champ Jake Shields, who still had to fight a title eliminator against Martin Kampmann to get his shot at GSP (despite being on an insane winning streak against all the elites not currently in the UFC)


Usman: loses his title, gets an immediate rematch, and despite losing it again, gets a title eliminator next (whoever wins the Kamaru/Chimaev fight gets dibs on poaching Sean's belt)

GSP: loses first TS against former WW GOAT Matt Hughes, and needs to beat the likes of Sean Sherk, BJ Penn, Mayhem Miller and Frank Trigg to get another title shot...

When he lost it against Matt Serra, he had to beat elites like Matt Hughes & Kos to get another title shot while Matt Serra was sitting on his ass enjoying his belt for an entire year without defending (ok, he was nursing a back injury, but still).

It's obvious that GSP didn't have it easy in the UFC, since he wasn't a Dana bootlicker and constantly pushed for stricter drug testing, which didn't give him the same Dana White privilege as Anderson Silva, BJ Penn, Jon Jones, Chuck Liddell or Brock Lesnar..

Dana can be so damn petty when he's mad at you, even his loyalists aren't safe if they step out of line just once, as Anderson quickly learned when he had some shitty performances against Maia (and Leites to a lesser degree)


Anyway, I used to be conflicted against Kamaru Usman because I actually really like the dude, I didn't really care one way or the other before his title shot, but his performance against Woodley made me a fan (I couldn't stand T-Wood) and his reign was fun...
I didn't even mind the second Masvidal fight since it was only 2 months after the Burns fight


and he'd rematch Colby 6 months after

My problem was that had he kept on winning, he might has surpassed GSP's reign, and that could not be allowed to happen. 2 losses to Leon back-to-back took care of that, fortunately

I hope Kamaru can destroy Chimaev, and then go one to immediately poach the belt from Strickland and beat him worse than before (I'm thankful to Sean for beating the brakes of Izzy, but Usman should wreck him again)


WAR USMAN
Between him and Ngannou, the 2 African underdogs have a lot on their plates this week!

(can't believe Fury vs Ngannou is only a week away, dis gun be gud

)

 

[Kohelet]

Fine, you may want to talk about win streak, USADA, modern MMA then ?

Timestamped :



But but but he's biased...

can't hear it past 10 seconds

 

[BFoe]

can't hear it past 10 seconds

That’s probably for the best.

 

[Yellowcrab]

Then the point in GSP’s career that I’m discussing would be GSP’s 11th UFC fight, and Usman’s 9th (or 10th if we’re counting the TUF finale). My same point still stands.

After already having 2 chances where he failed

Brendan Schaub disagrees with me?! Oh no!

Oh you mean an actual UFC fighter who has no horse in the race and who is unbiased ?

 

[KALEWYTEE]

1. GSP
2. Hughes
3. Usman

this should be everyone's too but here we are lol

 

[Yellowcrab]

Usman: loses his title, gets an immediate rematch, and despite losing it again, gets a title eliminator next (whoever wins the Kamaru/Chimaev fight gets dibs on poaching Sean's belt)

Right, except that he already had a win streak of 15 fights + was winning the fight until the high kick in the last round.

Obviously completely comparable to GSP's situation (who got quickly finished in both fights)



Also, there's no shame losing to Leon Edwards : currently a win streak of 11 fights and only 2 losses by decision in the UFC, one being against Usman aka one of the most dominant champion in the modern era.

 

[Richard Fannin]

If offered a title fight in his second fight only, Usman would likely have a title defense count well over 11. Just saying

But you're obviously too smart not to see that

If offered a TS in his second (did you mean third?) fight, then Usman would have had to face a murderer's row of number 1 contenders in their prime...

He wouldn't have fought Steve Carl, Mike Graves, Emil Meek, Hayder Hassan, or Alexander Yakovlev.

Consequently, his record might have looked a bit different... I'm a fan of Usman and I believe he could have put together a solid winning streak even against top contenders only, since in his prime he was a lot like GSP in the sense that he didn't really have a particular weakness to exploit.

But that's just speculation

 

[Daewoo]

Don't care, i'm speaking in the UFC.



He seems to disagree with you (timestamped) :



But as a Fedor's fanboy, you're stuck in the past, so obviously you won't understand. Also, it doesn't matter if GSP is basically saying the same (with damage control though) : In terms of accomplishments, it is different. I have done stuff that I believe he didn't do yet... But as painful as it could be for any athlete to admit it, the athletes of today are normally better than the athletes of yesterday. And as good as the athletes of today are, the athletes of tomorrow will be better. That's how it is. I don't think the guys are better, I think the technology is better...

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/new...rre-kamaru-usman-considered-welterweight-goat

Also, where are the champions from Canada today, because i don't see any ?

Brother please listen. You type a lot. You ignore facts. You stand up for what you beliefs in I respect this. But GSP defend title 9 times. Usman 5 times and go out cold. GSP never went cold chills and avenged serra loss. Please have respect for yourself. Have a bless day

 

[Daewoo]

If offered a title fight in his second fight only, Usman would likely have a title defense count well over 11. Just saying

But you're obviously too smart not to see that

Brother please forgive my last post I just realize you are milk pooper. Please take god I pray for you

 

[Can’t Handle My Riddum]

40% of Usman’s title defences were against Masvidal who caught lightning in a bottle by kneeing Askren in the face.

Usman fought in the entertainment era where guys like Masvidal, who legitimately had no business being a title contender had multiple shots.

Am I doing this right?

 

[GrantB13]

GSP :

- Only 2 fights in the UFC, then offered a title shot that he lost.
- Only had to make 4 fights for another title shot that he immediately lost against a former LW.

Kamaru :

- Had to wait being 9-0 in the UFC to get a title shot.

Which one has twice as many defenses as the other? And not half as many rematches.

 

[acannxr]

gps got crushed like a bug in his prime multiple times i dont care if he avenge the lost if you are goat you don't lose to a manlet in the 1st place!

Matt Serra was a better fighter than Jose Caceres.

 

[cheesus]

GSP is still miles ahead of Usman, even Hughes is.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

GSP :

- Only 2 fights in the UFC, then offered a title shot that he lost.
- Only had to make 4 fights for another title shot that he immediately lost against a former LW.

Kamaru :

- Had to wait being 9-0 in the UFC to get a title shot.

Different era you obviously didn’t watch.
Oh, but it’s likely because Usman is black, which is exactly why T Ferg had to wait 12 for his shot.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

If offered a title fight in his second fight only, Usman would likely have a title defense count well over 11. Just saying

But you're obviously too smart not to see that

Damn, you are even dumber than we initially thought.