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[PainIsLIfe]

Fund launched to support Ben Askren's lung transplant after insurance denies coverage amid critical health scare

Ben Askren is in need of a lung transplant, and people are banding together to help out in lieu of the decorated fighter's insurance not covering the required costs.

www.sportskeeda.com

How cool is that?

You want a lung? You better be the guy getting the k.o and not the guy getting kneed in the face. America baby, this is what meritocracy is all about.


Also Dana White is a cultural marxist for sharing the fundraiser. Collective efforts to insure someone gets healthcare is literally socialism.

I don't think you understand the difference between socialism and charity.

Also, would like to know the insurance company's reason for denial.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Incredible how violently ignorant many americans are.

I live in Europe now, and it's amazing how many things work here that North Americans, and Americans in particular, say aren't possible.

Public transportation, education, child care, health insurance, vacation time, etc. etc.

Americans are so cucked by their corporate billionaire daddy-masters, they can't even imagine how things are done in most of the world. They just take these talking points about immigrants or welfare queens or hypochondriacs and explain that this is why everything must be privatized, its the only way things can work. Just ignore all your dead and unfairly disadvantaged neighbours - it's not because the system is fundamentally structured toward the wealthy getting more wealthy. ignore your eyes, its communism!

Also, ignore the dozens of advanced western countries that have higher rates of education, life satisfaction, literacy, life expectancy - that's all just nonsense. Also, totally unrelated to the fact that the US has the largest military by far, and the most billionaires by far. This is all unrelated, and jets and missiles are cool, right?!?

First, you can't do all those things and spend the kind of money we do on the MIC.

As for your supposed better education system and 'life satisfaction', tell me how it compares once you factor in the mass migrants.

 

[BoomStronk]

First, you can't do all those things and spend the kind of money we do on the MIC.

As for your supposed better education system and 'life satisfaction', tell me how it compares once you factor in the mass migrants.

..what?

I see a bunch of sassy language that would indicate you'd made some sort of a cutting point, here. maybe even two, given "First," and then "as for"
- what the fuck are you talking about? why is life satisfaction in quotes? What are you asking me for, here? you want to better understand ..."how better education and life satisfaction" compares when you factor in mass migrants?

Do you think yours is the only country in the world that has immigration? Do you think it's worse in America than other countries?

The MIC - are you proud of this? Do you think it's good that your country builds bombs and jails instead of schools? I know that the MIC takes up a lot of money... You can prove that I know this by reading the post you're responding to. I brought it up.

It's shameful that you spend so much money on missiles and jet fighters. It's not heroic, you're just funding a massive enforcement arm of global corporate capitalism. it's not "defending freedom" - it's maintaining market conditions that favour billionaires.

This is the point the post you've replied to but obviously don't understand (american school system).

You guys are so completely cucked that you don't even think about this. You take it for granted that approaching a trillion fucking dollars a year NEEDS to be spent on blowing up brown people for the sake of global elites. When you see a post like mine, you get ignorantly defensive and seemingly claim that America has to deal with more immigration than european countries.

For the record - both of the main countries I've lived in - Canada, and a European country, have a WAY HIGHER RATE OF IMMIGRATION, per capita. Despite this, both countries have much better rates of the things I mentioned earlier. Immigration is NOT the boogeyman that excuses everything. Don't believe Trumps populist hate mongering.

Read a book, question your cultural norms.

 

[BoomStronk]

edit: double

 

[PainIsLIfe]

..what?

I see a bunch of sassy language that would indicate you'd made some sort of a cutting point, here. maybe even two, given "First," and then "as for"
- what the fuck are you talking about? why is life satisfaction in quotes? What are you asking me for, here? you want to better understand ..."how better education and life satisfaction" compares when you factor in mass migrants?

Do you think yours is the only country in the world that has immigration? Do you think it's worse in America than other countries?

The MIC - are you proud of this? Do you think it's good that your country builds bombs and jails instead of schools? I know that the MIC takes up a lot of money... You can prove that I know this by reading the post you're responding to. I brought it up.

It's shameful that you spend so much money on missiles and jet fighters. It's not heroic, you're just funding a massive enforcement arm of global corporate capitalism. it's not "defending freedom" - it's maintaining market conditions that favour billionaires.

This is the point the post you've replied to but obviously don't understand (american school system).

You guys are so completely cucked that you don't even think about this. You take it for granted that approaching a trillion fucking dollars a year NEEDS to be spent on blowing up brown people for the sake of global elites. When you see a post like mine, you get ignorantly defensive and seemingly claim that America has to deal with more immigration than european countries.

For the record - both of the main countries I've lived in - Canada, and a European country, have a WAY HIGHER RATE OF IMMIGRATION, per capita. Despite this, both countries have much better rates of the things I mentioned earlier. Immigration is NOT the boogeyman that excuses everything. Don't believe Trumps populist hate mongering.

Read a book, question your cultural norms.

I read constantly about immigrant grooming gangs, the massive spend on social programs for migrants, and the lack of assimilation by migrants - certainly not goinh to improve your life satisfaction'

. Do you think adding tons of poor uneducated children to your schools will help or hurt? You can't really compare Canadian immigrants to Euorpran or American immigrants - you are getting more educated and dare I say civilized migrants - not a lot of ms-13 sneaking into Canada.


Whoa, the MIC comment is just an indictment of what America's leaders place importance on. It would be great if the US provided health care and social programs instead of bombs. Interestingly enough I just read that the US system allowed Askren to get his transplant. I imagine he would still be on a waiting list in Canada.

 

[BoomStronk]

I read constantly about immigrant grooming gangs, the massive spend on social programs for migrants, and the lack of assimilation by migrants - certainly not goinh to improve your life satisfaction'

I am not saying that there aren't problems with immigrants in literally every country that has immigrants. Immigration is by nature problematic- and also important and strengthening to culture and economy.

Anti immigration is very low hanging fruit for populist leaders. If you listen to trump, you might think america is overrun by migrants and that's why america can't afford social services.

If this was true, we wouldnt see pther countries with much smaller tax bases and even more immigrants per capita than the US. It just isnt true, mate. You've been lied to. The problem is corporate tax cuts and military spending. It is absolutely not Mexican day laborers.
 

. Do you think adding tons of poor uneducated children to your schools will help or hurt? You can't really compare Canadian immigrants to Euorpran or American immigrants - you are getting more educated and dare I say civilized migrants - not a lot of ms-13 sneaking into Canada.

Yes. I do think that. Illegal immigrants cannot claim social services and they provide massive economic production in areas Americans wont work. Part of the complicated equation that results in grocery prices being what they are, is low paid immigrant labor. They aren't taking away from the system, they are holding it up.

And, the immigrants that come to europe are also disadvantaged. We see millions of people who don't speak English or the destination countries languages, coming in with nothing and no education. Many of them are traumatized and grieving - the ultimate result of all these billions of dollars Americans "spend" on missiles and jets so that weapons manufacturers continue to make money and brown people continue to get blown to rat shit.

America does not have any special claim to the challenges of immigration. Again, this is a populist talking point. It is bullshit

Whoa, the MIC comment is just an indictment of what America's leaders place importance on. It would be great if the US provided health care and social programs instead of bombs. Interestingly enough I just read that the US system allowed Askren to get his transplant. I imagine he would still be on a waiting list in Canada.

America is, ostensibly, a democracy. Americans are responsible for the leadership they elect. Its more than "it would be great" its more like, "Jon Jones, get your shit together."

 

[Bob Gray]

Im not gonna read through the whole thread, but does anyone know the actual reason that he was denied by his insurance? Like, the actual stated reason as opposed to generalities like "insurance companies are greedy scumbags".

 

[PainIsLIfe]

I am not saying that there aren't problems with immigrants in literally every country that has immigrants. Immigration is by nature problematic- and also important and strengthening to culture and economy.

Anti immigration is very low hanging fruit for populist leaders. If you listen to trump, you might think america is overrun by migrants and that's why america can't afford social services.

If this was true, we wouldnt see pther countries with much smaller tax bases and even more immigrants per capita than the US. It just isnt true, mate. You've been lied to. The problem is corporate tax cuts and military spending. It is absolutely not Mexican day laborers.
 


Yes. I do think that. Illegal immigrants cannot claim social services and they provide massive economic production in areas Americans wont work. Part of the complicated equation that results in grocery prices being what they are, is low paid immigrant labor. They aren't taking away from the system, they are holding it up.

And, the immigrants that come to europe are also disadvantaged. We see millions of people who don't speak English or the destination countries languages, coming in with nothing and no education. Many of them are traumatized and grieving - the ultimate result of all these billions of dollars Americans "spend" on missiles and jets so that weapons manufacturers continue to make money and brown people continue to get blown to rat shit.

America does not have any special claim to the challenges of immigration. Again, this is a populist talking point. It is bullshit



America is, ostensibly, a democracy. Americans are responsible for the leadership they elect. Its more than "it would be great" its more like, "Jon Jones, get your shit together."

I'm not hugely anti-immigrant, just pointing out facts. You compare what was mostly homogeneous countries to the US system and say they were better. Meanwhile, suburban American schools were doing great. Now Europe is starting to see the drain on education systems with extra resources required to teach disadvantaged second language students.


Europe is currently having assimilation issues on a scale that Canada isn't facing. It's naive to pretend Canada's immigrants are analogous to the flood of Eurpean immigrants. They are getting a ton of immigrants that expect the host countries to conform to them and their 3rd world mores.

That's not exactly true. Immigrant are (were) getting social service in the US - temporary housing, cash cards, healthcare. We could expand with education: my son's ex taught English to Spanish speaking children and the govt paid off 10k of her student debt for doing it.

You last paragraph is correct. We get the the govt we deserve; mostly because we've allowed the 2 party system to basically squeeze out a better system.

 

[BoomStronk]

I'm not hugely anti-immigrant, just pointing out facts. You compare what was mostly homogeneous countries to the US system and say they were better. Meanwhile, suburban American schools were doing great. Now Europe is starting to see the drain on education systems with extra resources required to teach disadvantaged second language students.

How far back do these goalposts move? Come on, dude. First you said that America has to deal with "mass migration" and thats why they cant find schools and other services. This is flatly untrue. Then you said, well, it's because America has to deal with poor/undocumented immigrants, and that's where all the money goes. This is also decidedly untrue. Now you're saying, oh, well it's the homogeniety of the country. This is also untrue. Canada is far more culturally diverse, and many Western European countries - all of which have higher standards of healthcare, education and living standards - are either much more diverse, more diverse, or almost as diverse as America, when considered in terms of % of population that is foreign born. If you want to look at other metrics or concepts of homogeniety, the Americans are actually famous for their "melting pot" cultural framework, which is to say, they actively promote homogeniety in their immigrant communities. As opposed to Canada's "cultural patchwork" or "multicultural" take on immigrant culture, for example.

This third goalpost move is also no good. Maybe just give up on the idea altogether?

Europe is currently having assimilation issues on a scale that Canada isn't facing. It's naive to pretend Canada's immigrants are analogous to the flood of Eurpean immigrants. They are getting a ton of immigrants that expect the host countries to conform to them and their 3rd world mores.

- wait, I thought Europe DIDN'T have the issues America did with immigrants. Uhoh... now the much higher standards of living, education and health in these European countries are even HARDER to blame on immigrants.

Again, the issues with immigration are clear and will persist. When cultures clash, there will be tensions. I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I think it's worth dwelling on the reasons WHY these immigrants are "flooding" Europe. Many of them are refugees because of American-led militarism and corporate meddling. Those billions and billions of dollars spent on weapons, those hundreds and hundreds of American military bases all around the world tend to create looming immigration problems. e

That's not exactly true. Immigrant are (were) getting social service in the US - temporary housing, cash cards, healthcare. We could expand with education: my son's ex taught English to Spanish speaking children and the govt paid off 10k of her student debt for doing it.

That sounds like a much, much, much better use of American tax dollars than building fucking concentration camps in the bayou, blowing up palestinians and burning millions of litres of fuel flying high tech warplanes all over the planet. These sorts of programs are EXACTLY what we should be doing instead of pouring all this money into corporations. Promoting cultural exchange and learning through supporting teachers is brilliant, and is precisely the kind of thing that would LOWER cultural tensions and build bridges between countries rather than walls and prisons (both of which are private, for-profit enterprises).

You last paragraph is correct. We get the the govt we deserve; mostly because we've allowed the 2 party system to basically squeeze out a better system.

Agreed completely. We need a new system. Again, look to Europe. It can be done. I'm not saying everything is rainbows and puppies in Europe, I'm just saying, there are other examples of political systems and corporate limitations. We aren't stuck with the system in place in America.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

1- How far back do these goalposts move? Come on, dude. First you said that America has to deal with "mass migration" and thats why they cant find schools and other services. This is flatly untrue. Then you said, well, it's because America has to deal with poor/undocumented immigrants, and that's where all the money goes. This is also decidedly untrue. Now you're saying, oh, well it's the homogeniety of the country. This is also untrue. Canada is far more culturally diverse, and many Western European countries - all of which have higher standards of healthcare, education and living standards - are either much more diverse, more diverse, or almost as diverse as America, when considered in terms of % of population that is foreign born. If you want to look at other metrics or concepts of homogeniety, the Americans are actually famous for their "melting pot" cultural framework, which is to say, they actively promote homogeniety in their immigrant communities. As opposed to Canada's "cultural patchwork" or "multicultural" take on immigrant culture, for example.

This third goalpost move is also no good. Maybe just give up on the idea altogether?


2- wait, I thought Europe DIDN'T have the issues America did with immigrants. Uhoh... now the much higher standards of living, education and health in these European countries are even HARDER to blame on immigrants.

3- Again, the issues with immigration are clear and will persist. When cultures clash, there will be tensions. I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I think it's worth dwelling on the reasons WHY these immigrants are "flooding" Europe. Many of them are refugees because of American-led militarism and corporate meddling. Those billions and billions of dollars spent on weapons, those hundreds and hundreds of American military bases all around the world tend to create looming immigration problems.


4- That sounds like a much, much, much better use of American tax dollars than building fucking concentration camps in the bayou, blowing up palestinians and burning millions of litres of fuel flying high tech warplanes all over the planet. These sorts of programs are EXACTLY what we should be doing instead of pouring all this money into corporations. Promoting cultural exchange and learning through supporting teachers is brilliant, and is precisely the kind of thing that would LOWER cultural tensions and build bridges between countries rather than walls and prisons (both of which are private, for-profit enterprises).


Agreed completely. We need a new system. Again, look to Europe. It can be done. I'm not saying everything is rainbows and puppies in Europe, I'm just saying, there are other examples of political systems and corporate limitations. We aren't stuck with the system in place in America.

1- I said neither of those things. I said you can't fund all of that and the MIC. Then you brought up education and "life satisfaction".

For some reason you think Canada's immigrants are the same as the ones flooding Europe and the illegal in the US. The fact of the matter is that 55% of immigrants to Canada have a bachelor's degree or higher.

2- Theydidnt have that problem when European countries were 80-90% ethnic.

Somehow you missed the fact that I said suburbia American schools were great. European schools are just starting to deal with poor uneducated masses and I predict the schools will decline in educational standings.

3- I partially agree with this. The US is a big reason for wars around the world, but you have a lot of African immigrants fleeing wars that we didnt cause and there are quite a few Arabs that fleed the likes of ISIS and civil wars.

4- Is it really better to spend resources on immigrants instead of the poor people we already have here? I'd say that's highly debatable; especially amoung urban communities.

5- while there are some aspects of European governments to like, I would say our primary system makes more sense in theory. Also, Europeans deal with thought police and ever shrinking individual rights - I don't think you could convince a majority of Americans to move closer to a Euro system.