"The Experiment" Alex Karelin

Killer Kadoogan said:
they've retroactively tested his samples and still clean. he's the real deal, a freak of nature
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He almost certainly wasn't clean, just like the majority of medalists in the Olympics despite passing tests. The studies, medical knowledge and olympic athlete testimonies and even WADA representatives have made it pretty clear doping is alive and well and very hard to detect. I'm very skeptical that they have 1988 and 1992 and 1996 frozen samples they're testing every few years of his too. Also the way cycling works and how short windows are on certain drugs...testing doesn't prove much.

Russia had government funded doping programs, their own chemists and labs....a fucking 1992 PED test never stood a chance. He's still the real deal and a freak of nature, similar to Mijain Lopez who's arguably surpassed him as a HW Greco great.
 
HuskySamoan said:
He almost certainly wasn't clean, just like the majority of medalists in the Olympics despite passing tests. The studies, medical knowledge and olympic athlete testimonies and even WADA representatives have made it pretty clear doping is alive and well and very hard to detect. I'm very skeptical that they have 1988 and 1992 and 1996 frozen samples they're testing every few years of his too. Also the way cycling works and how short windows are on certain drugs...testing doesn't prove much.

Russia had government funded doping programs, their own chemists and labs....a fucking 1992 PED test never stood a chance. He's still the real deal and a freak of nature, similar to Mijain Lopez who's arguably surpassed him as a HW Greco great.
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brother, i've read online, on the internet, that they've retro actively tested his samples with the latest methods to see what was going on, and he was definitely clean. he was a true freak athlete. forgot where it was, but i wouldnt make that up. he's the 1%.
 
Karelin was the most impressive guy I’ve ever seen and I’m generally not a big wrestling fan.
 
He was juiced out of his mind his whole career. And he lost to this guy

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Lifting grown men, that is what greco-wrestlers do. Now Karelin had a great lift and throw no doubt, but he isn't unique. True legend, but he was very close to losing several matches, he edged alot of them out. This is coming from old wrestlers who competed at same tournaments as him. He was also juiced to the gills, at the time it was a fact that Russia supported their athletes in ways no other country did, money, steroids etc. He was not alone, but I think it was a factor.
People just like myths, he was a bad mother fucker no doubt but people see highlights and pictures he they assume he was a god.
 
HuskySamoan said:
Russia had government funded doping programs, their own chemists and labs....a fucking 1992 PED test never stood a chance. He's still the real deal and a freak of nature, similar to Mijain Lopez who's arguably surpassed him as a HW Greco great.
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True. Lopez has more official losses, but 4 olympic gold medals that is GOAT.
 
Arm Barbarian said:
Yeah, he would have likely destroyed anyone in MMA, as long as he knew the basic weapons to avoid while shooting in.

Once he got a hold of anyone, they were going to get ragdolled.
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Imagine if Royce Gracie had to fight Alexander Karelin instead of Gerard Gordeau at ufc 1 and instead of bjj being popularized in America it was freestyle wrestling; as a side not I'm pretty sure Karelin said somewhere he never did mma because he disliked hurting people.
 
stronghulk said:
True. Lopez has more official losses, but 4 olympic gold medals that is GOAT.
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Also I hate to be that guy but Greco Roman wrestling compared to Freestyle in terms of competitiveness and importance is like comparing Badminton to Tennis. I do hold guys like Aleksandr Medved and Buvaisar Saitiev in a higher regard, honestly anyone competing in the Soviet era also had easier competition because they didn't have to compete against each other, as countries like Georgia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan etc. It was all under 1 banner and represented by 1 athlete, the field is more competitive post Soviet era. I believe Karelin's 88 and 92 run were essentially Soviet eras for him.

I could care less who was natural or not, just because there's so much evidence and data to support that even athletes who test clean are still doping at the higher levels. So to me, a guy like Artur Taymazov despite popping being a Freestyle heavyweight with 3 gold and 1 silver is astonishing.
 
Imagine Karelan v Gracie at UFC 1? I think Karelin picks him up and throws him into the 8th row, I think that would be a TKO win, not sure
 
There's no way he would have come to those early UFC tournaments. Why would he mess with his Olympic career to fight in some low budget promotion that most people hadn't even heard of and few cared about.

However, if he'd been there he'd have destroyed everyone. It's almost inconceivable that Royce could have taken him down and, if he did, Karelin would have just lifted him up and slammed him on his head.
 
Hidden_Hand said:
I find the fact he as those 2 losses painful, he was so fucking close to perfection, so close.

Come to think of it, has there ever been a perfect record athlete? And I mean never lost their entire life across all levels?
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Ricardo lopez. Boxer
 
tymikeson said:
For all those young sherbros who never heard of this Russian Wrestler....


3 time gold medal Olympic super Heavyweight Wrestling Champ and 1 time silver olympic wrestling champ back in the 80s and 90s.

887 wins -2 losses in his entire wrestling career. both losses by a single point.


I remember imagining what it would have been like if this guy transitioned to MMA. *he did have 1 bout but it was more like a shoot style wrestling match.

he was a #####ing Beast. he was known to literally lift 250+ pound men from the mat and simply toss then.

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2:38 is where he lifts a grown 260 pound man off the floor...
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I think he did some type of MMA fight his striking looked shitty af he looked weird as hell
 
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