The difference between Trump and Rubio/Kasich's appeal in a nutshell

[86'd]

People can't relate to career politicians who are in the pocket of big business... so instead they should vote for a billionaire who represents big business directly? Cut out the middle man I suppose.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

 

[nixkid]

Well for one he's had a career outside of politics unlike the guy in office right now.

Thats essentially one more thing to relate to than all the others.

Yes, his career of being a billionaire who inherited a business from his wealthy father (his father was worth 100s of million of dollars). He's in touch with the average joe and our current President who grew up in near poverty is apart of the out of touch elite. Makes total sense (in the mind of a Trump voter).

 

[nixkid]

Why is that un-American?

For 200 of the last 250 years of our history we strenously excluded all sorts of non-citizens from coming here based on race, religion, perceived loyalty risk, disease, whatever. Nothing about that suggestion is un-American. If anything, it is a return to the norm and this period we are currently in is remarkably un-American.

Yes, lets go back to our racist past. And since we are digging up racist relics of yesteryear, lets just go ahead reinstate slavery too (20% of Trump primary voters in SC have an unfavorable view of the Emancipation Proclamation).

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Watching Romney going on about Trump.. he's not holding backl.

He said Trump's domestic policy would lead to recession. Yes, Trump wants an enormous tax cut for rich people that would lead to trillions in lost revenue. So do Cruz and Rubio.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...athing-indictment-of-republican-tax-policies/

 

[Space]

So I guess you can also see into the future.

Hence why I said "likely". Maybe you need to learn how to read, bud.

 

[Madmick]

Why is that un-American?

For 200 of the last 250 years of our history we strenously excluded all sorts of non-citizens from coming here based on race, religion, perceived loyalty risk, disease, whatever. Nothing about that suggestion is un-American. If anything, it is a return to the norm and this period we are currently in is remarkably un-American.

No, sir, you who casually used the pejorative "f*g" when you thought you wouldn't be infracted for it, that is not the case. Never once in our history have we implemented a ban, even a temporary one, extending to an entire religious group. Here are some countries that did (hint: your friend Adolf is in here):
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/trump-muslim-plan-history

If there was a prison vote , Democrats would win in a landslide .
Everyone knows who the least educated and most violent people in America are.

There it is. Knew it was coming. Sooner or later the true self shines through.

LOL, indeed, I touched quite a nerve by illuminating the truth of the average Trump supporter and the types of voter who are overwhelmingly more likely to support him, didn't I? Methinks thou #Trumpsupporters doth protest too much. Perhaps my favorite irony is that these guys tend to be, unsurprisingly, as has been evidenced by those publicly supporting Trump, among the most predisposed to racist thinking of all whites in the country, and one of their favorite things to do is erect statistics for blacks pertaining to lower average IQ's, inferior performance on general knowledge surveys, and naturally, their lower incidence of education. Yet these types sure don't like it when that microscope is turned around, and they realize that educated people of all races could safely (by Trump supporters' own logic of correlation) perceive them with similar contempt as they do all those blacks-- the "prison vote" they believe mindlessly support candidates like Clinton.

Spoiler

 

[Tekk]

Hence why I said "likely". Maybe you need to learn how to read, bud.

We both know that won't actually happen;

Ok

 

[Madmick]

Hands down the best political cartoon I've seen yet this campaign:

 

[Space]

Ok

OK fine, but you and I still know that won't happen. It's called the "Big Ask" and it's part of negotiation, something you don't seem to know much about.

 

[Tekk]

OK fine, but you and I still know that won't happen. It's called the "Big Ask" and it's part of negotiation, something you don't seem to know much about.

Lol, you got caught doing the exact same thing you mocked another poster for doing. So of course you move the goal post and throw out an insult.

 

[Octavian]

Yeah... Still not sure why this surprises anyone. The Republicans have been kowtowing and cultivating the white, racist/xenophobic, uneducated vote for decades now... it overlaps in large part with the "Religious Right" (which is also no surprise). It also happens to go hand in hand with the Republican stance of rejecting social contract, social progress and working together... Trump is basically seizing on all of this, which is ironic because his domestic sentiments of protectionist policy won't do much of anything other than lead to major (losing) trade disputes in the WTO and harsh reprisal from nations with cheaper labor. Ultimately though, this boils down to the racism factor... chickens coming home to roost on this one and it's canabalizing the party, which is sweet, sweet irony now that they're on the cusp of pushing a candidate that actually goes directly against the grain of the GOP establishment's core tenets on a few critical levels.

What's sort of ridiculous yet predictable is the establishment's disgust with his bigotry as if they haven't been using that dog whistle for ages.. Trump's just making no apologies for it, whereas the establishment still wants to use it and stealthily harness it.

 

[Denter]

No, sir, you who casually used the pejorative "f*g" when you thought you wouldn't be infracted for it, that is not the case. Never once in our history have we implemented a ban, even a temporary one, extending to an entire religious group. Here are some countries that did (hint: your friend Adolf is in here):
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/trump-muslim-plan-history

Spoiler

My friend Adolf? That's pretty interesting that you think that. I think its telling that you go there immediately, as if you can't think of any alternative.

What would you prefer I call homosexuals then?

 

[Sycho Sid]

My friend Adolf? That's pretty interesting that you think that. I think its telling that you go there immediately, as if you can't think of any alternative.

What would you prefer I call homosexuals then?

Is this a legitimate question?

 

[Denter]

Is this a legitimate question?

Says the guy with the pro wrestling AV.

Yes, I find gays disgusting and its impossible to ignore the various narcissism, paraphilias, and risk taking behaviors associated with them. All of these things plus the public attempt to portray them as normal in the media makes me want to denigrate them in public to let people know there are many of us that aren't along in the equalist fantasy.

If that's not ok with a mod, I suppose I'll have to take my eight year old account and go elsewhere.

 

[Sycho Sid]

Says the guy with the pro wrestling AV.

Yes, I find gays disgusting and its impossible to ignore the various narcissism, paraphilias, and risk taking behaviors associated with them. All of these things plus the public attempt to portray them as normal in the media makes me want to denigrate them in public to let people know there are many of us that aren't along in the equalist fantasy.

If that's not ok with a mod, I suppose I'll have to take my eight year old account and go elsewhere.

Literally no one is saying you cannot hate gay people.

They are just saying do not use pejorative terms for them. I do not see how that is so difficult. There are obviously other posters on here who share your views, but they can resist, why can't you?

Also, yes, I enjoy pro wrestling. This obviously makes anything I say pointless and stupid. How dare people enjoy something you find childish.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Id say free healthcare, college, and raising the minimum wage would be more aimed at the lower middle class and the working poor than the middle class.
But to your point..those things would be great if we weren't 20 trillion in debt. I mean free healthcare isn't really free it would just be another enormous government expenditure...and free college doesn't address the lack of good paying jobs available for graduates. Im for raising the minimum wage but 15hr is not a middle class income...and minimum wage should be a stepping stone to a true middle class career.

I don't know what you consider middle-class but paying $20, 30, 40k+ for a college education is a walk in the park only for those making well into six figures. I'm talking $200k a year and up. And that's top 10% of all earners.

And no, it doesn't do anything for the lack good-paying jobs but it does make life easier. I mean, a recent graduate making a shitty $30k/year is going to live a lot better if he has 0 college debt (or just a couple thousand, let's say) than if he has that same $30k/year job but also a $50k loan to repay.

Finally, it's been well-researched that single-payer would cost a bunch, yes, but it would save even more, resulting in a net gain.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/august/study-single-payer-healthcare-system-would-save-billions

 

[Islam Imamate]

What would you prefer I call homosexuals then?

Maybe what you just called them? Ever thought of that? If you really need a monosyllabic, three letter word there's "gay".

 

[Casrot]

There are obviously other posters on here who share your views, but they can resist, why can't you?

He has the urge to engage in risk taking behaviors.

Also, yes, I enjoy pro wrestling. This obviously makes anything I say pointless and stupid. How dare people enjoy something you find childish.

I might be able to see the appeal. Denter, on the other hand, would be seriously triggered.

If that's not ok with a mod, I suppose I'll have to take my eight year old account and go elsewhere.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

I don't know what you consider middle-class but paying $20, 30, 40k+ for a college education is a walk in the park only for those making well into six figures. I'm talking $200k a year and up. And that's top 10% of all earners.

And no, it doesn't do anything for the lack good-paying jobs but it does make life easier. I mean, a recent graduate making a shitty $30k/year is going to live a lot better if he has 0 college debt (or just a couple thousand, let's say) than if he has that same $30k/year job but also a $50k loan to repay.

Finally, it's been well-researched that single-payer would cost a bunch, yes, but it would save even more, resulting in a net gain.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/august/study-single-payer-healthcare-system-would-save-billions

What are your thoughts on the multiple estimates from non-Republicans that Sanders' healthcare plan would cost a lot more than Sanders has said it would?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

What are your thoughts on the multiple estimates from non-Republicans that Sanders' healthcare plan would cost a lot more than Sanders has said it would?

Most critiques I've read are simply unconvinced that his plan could save much renegotiating drug prices and with new administrative fees. You got a bunch of economists saying it's not possible and a bunch saying it is.

I just think it's impossible to determine for sure before actually implementing it and both sides are just speculating. But since single-payer works everywhere else in the industrialized world, I'm willing to give it a try.