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His Ko of Denis Kang is one of the great delayed KO's of all time
I forgot about this fight. Are you Thai
His Ko of Denis Kang is one of the great delayed KO's of all time
No but i trained in MT for a few yrsI forgot about this fight. Are you Thai
It was a niche sport when the Dutch dominated it (in the heavier weight classes, at >70kg they get destroyed by Thais 9/10 in kickboxing and 99/100 in MT) and the world is now not only catching up, but in countries other than the Netherlands they are not as braindead to think high guard + waiting for your turn to spam a Tekken 3 combo is the end all be all way of drilling/sparring/fighting in kickboxing.
Better said, since access to training in Thailand is so easy nowadays in a globalized world, they can just train muay thai there and then cross train boxing for the punches/head movement/footwork.
When eventually kickboxing is going to be fought in 4 oz gloves like Muay Thai in One for example, the Dutch way of kickboxing will be exposed even more. 99% of the Dutch kickboxers use little to no parries or head movement, which would cost them much more in 4 oz glove fights.
I mean, that's not the only style Dutch fighters are using, but this notion that this is a completely ineffective style just isn't true and it's always going to be part of the sport. Kickboxing is not transitioning to MMA gloves, so I'm not sure where you are getting this. Weird that you completely ignore Japanese Kickboxing in both of your posts which isn't much different from the Dutch style with emphasis on hand combinations, and it's a bigger scene than the Dutch one.I am Dutch by the way . I started out in Dutch style kickboxing, then switched to boxing and now I only cross train MT (not kickboxing) on my trips to Thailand (where I have lived 6 months over the past 15 months). Like I said, Dutch style kickboxing doesn't have a long time left in One/Glory/etc. and when the organisations introduce 4 oz gloves fights it will be the final nail in the coffin. The stationary high guard tekken 3 combo spammers will be replaced by complete fighters with more elusiveness, more weapons, more variety and more defensive/counter tools at disposal.
Some nice fights you are mentioning there.Back in the 80's and 90's, the Dutch competed under full Muay Thai rules whenever they could and made trips to Thailand. While their skills weren't quite up to par with most ranked fighters in Lumpini and Rajadamnern, they did have their successes like Ivan Hippolyte beating Pompetch Naratreekul for the WMC middleweight title, Gilbert Ballantine winning over the great Sangtiennoi, and especially Rayen Simson triumphing over Lamsonkram Chuwattana, Orono Por Muangubon, and Pajonsuk Lukprabat; all champions. Nowadays, the money is all in modified Kickboxing rules; punches, kicks, knees, and limited clinching/neck-wrestling (if at all).
It is disappointing that there's too many fighters spamming punches and low kicks. When Dutch Kickboxing was developing, their fighters competed under any rule set to earn money as well as gain experience. That's why Rob Kaman did Muay Thai with elbows against Krongsak, WKA matches that allowed low kicks, and matches with above-the-waist techniques only. So they were forced to hone their striking game to be broad and efficient. But their current gyms are integrating more and more Muay Thai with their old-school Kickboxing roots since ONE FC is a great avenue for them to experiment and refine their new crop of fighters since it allows full MT rules as well as Kickboxing.
It's amazing how Hippolyte was able to pull this off. It's why anything can happen in a fight.Some nice fights you are mentioning there.
Hippolyte beating Jomhod Kiatadisak in his prime, by KO, is also one of the fights I remember..
Unfortunately the Dutch seem to neglect those aspects more than anyone. We will probably have 10 French champions before we get 1 Dutch.It's amazing how Hippolyte was able to pull this off. It's why anything can happen in a fight.
I hope in the near future that the Dutch can finally snag a Lumpini and/or Rajadamnern stadium title. And decisively on points with masterful kicks, knees, and especially neck-wrestling/clinching.
Keep that to yourself please. You are embarrassing us!I am Dutch by the way .
Keep that to yourself please. You are embarrassing us!