The class war. Which side are you on?

[SBJJ]

I have given credit to Trump for NK, the Democrats are very far from perfect but clearly the lesser of 2 evils. Trump has been anti worker his whole life(shafting them out of earned pay) he even said wages are too high during the campaign. The only reason he is on about illegal immigration is because it plays well with the base, 2 of his wives are foreign born and he has and still does hire foreign workers for his businesses and makes all his crap in China. If you really believe Trump cares about the working class you are extremely gullible. As far as the other policy positions you mention they are the exact opposite of Trump administration and the Republican party, you have been sold a con and bought it hook line and sinker.

Kind of expected this reaction.

Jeff Bezos is an ultra liberal. How do u think AMZN treats their employees. Would u rather have a construction job with Trump or be working the line at AMZN pissing in bottles

Sorry, Trump is an asshole. But it is u that has been sold the Global Medias BS. And u have eaten up like its gravy and potatoes.

 

[SBJJ]

So if tax cuts don't drive growth (which they don't), the effect is to change the distribution of future output in a way that reduces middle-class incomes.



Is there any evidence of a correlation between unionization rates and unemployment rates? Not denying it, just asking. Just looking up a couple, it does seem that countries with significantly higher unionization rates than ours have comparable unemployment rates, but that's just a glance.

We don't have 10s of millions of poor immigrants. Where the heck did you come up with that? And what does immigration have to do with anything in this discussion?

Try actually looking up the unemployment rates. They are higher. Some at twice the rate.

As for taxes, Canada has lower rates. Does your theory only pertain to the US? You think Americans are not taxed enough compared to the rest of the world. Check out Canada's business tax

There are approximately 11-12.5 million illegal immigrants in the US. That is being conservative as it is IMPOSSIBLE to document all illegal immigrants. The fact u would ask what extreme immigration would have to do with a discussion on workers shows where your head is at

 

[Quequeg]

Kind of expected this reaction.

Jeff Bezos is an ultra liberal. How do u think AMZN treats their employees. Would u rather have a construction job with Trump or be working the line at AMZN pissing in bottles

Sorry, Trump is an asshole. But it is u that has been sold the Global Medias BS. And u have eaten up like its gravy and potatoes.

Bezos's company treats their employees badly, he is not President and selling a line bullshit to the working class and Trump was a Democrat until Obama got elected. What global media BS am I buying? I base my opinions on Trump on his documented history and actions as president.

 

[SBJJ]

Are you Canadian?

Nope. But it's well known. Google it

 

[BangersAndSmash]

If u agree with EVERYTHING your side believes and likewise can't support ANYTHING Trump does. What does that say about u?

It's hard to actually pin him down on most issues. He took all these really populist stances but then turned around and adopted a pretty standard "conservative" agenda. For the record, his infrastructure plan could have been good, but it didn't even make it to a rough draft. He's certainly not a social conservative in regards to such issues as gay rights, but he turned around and passed a transgender military ban to fire up his base (it was rejected, of course, because there was no provable reason FOR the ban).

Jeff Bezos is an ultra liberal. How do u think AMZN treats their employees. Would u rather have a construction job with Trump or be working the line at AMZN pissing in bottles

Neither?... Jeff Bezos being a sleazy cost-cutting exploitative boss has little to do with anything. He's not a politician, and he clearly doesn't really value workers rights, so I'm struggling to understand what makes him liberal. He's just a mega-rich business asshole. I wouldn't want him for president. Trump, on the other hand, IS president.

 

[SBJJ]

Bezos's company treats their employees badly, he is not President and selling a line bullshit to the working class and Trump was a Democrat until Obama got elected. What global media BS am I buying? I base my opinions on Trump on his documented history and actions as president.

Wait. So when Trump was doing all that bad stuff he was a Democrat?

U base your opinions on Trumps actions as president? So u are against dropping the corporate tax to more in line with Say, Canada's?

U are against stopping illegal immigration?

U are against the destruction of ISIS?

U are against the US becoming the largest oil producing country. This really hurts Russia

U are against stopping China from engaging in tech theft on any US companies doing business there?

U did say u support Trump with NK. But we're u saying he was going to start a nuclear war not too long ago?

 

[SBJJ]

It's hard to actually pin him down on most issues. He took all these really populist stances but then turned around and adopted a pretty standard "conservative" agenda. For the record, his infrastructure plan could have been good, but it didn't even make it to a rough draft. He's certainly not a social conservative in regards to such issues as gay rights, but he turned around and passed a transgender military ban to fire up his base (it was rejected, of course, because there was no provable reason FOR the ban).



Neither?... Jeff Bezos being a sleazy cost-cutting exploitative boss has little to do with anything. He's not a politician, and he clearly doesn't really value workers rights, so I'm struggling to understand what makes him liberal. He's just a mega-rich business asshole. I wouldn't want him for president. Trump, on the other hand, IS president.

Bezos owns WAPO. He's a liberal. He actually treats his workers like shit. Start denouncing the guys actually treating workers like shit.

If Trump is just a regular republican. Why are so many of those republicans against his immigration policy, trade policy and foreign policy. Lol! What else is there. Let me guess. Tax Cuts makes u a republican

 

[Jack V Savage]

Try actually looking up the unemployment rates. They are higher. Some at twice the rate.

I did. So you're not aware of any correlation either?

As for taxes, Canada has lower rates. Does your theory only pertain to the US? You think Americans are not taxed enough compared to the rest of the world. Check out Canada's business tax

What is this in response to?

There are approximately 11-12.5 million illegal immigrants in the US. That is being conservative as it is IMPOSSIBLE to document all illegal immigrants. The fact u would ask what extreme immigration would have to do with a discussion on workers shows where your head is at

First, "tens of millions" = "20 million or greater." Usually, you'd just say "20 million" if it were that and "tens of millions" if you were talking about more than that. Second, the best estimate is around 11.1 million now. Third, your uncertainty point makes no sense at all. "It's impossible to know the exact number, therefore we should assume that any estimate is automatically too low"? Does that sound reasonable? Lastly, it shows that my head (or the eye parts of my head) are pointed at studies on the issue. Unauthorized immigrants don't reduce wages for native workers, and aren't a large enough portion of the workforce to materially affect stats. Immigrants more broadly are a boon to America's economy.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Bezos owns WAPO. He's a liberal. He actually treats his workers like shit. Start denouncing the guys actually treating workers like shit.

This shows a very fundamental misunderstanding of what liberalism is. Liberals don't believe that you get better results for workers by talking shit about big corporations. You have to change the laws and incentives.

 

[BangersAndSmash]

Bezos owns WAPO. He's a liberal. He actually treats his workers like shit. Start denouncing the guys actually treating workers like shit.

Fuck Bezos. Fuck media conglomerates in general, but just because they're owned by somebody (which all news sources in this country are) doesn't mean they're wrong every time. WaPo does try and work off facts and sources even if there is a spin coming from upstairs. Owning the WaPo doesn't make him liberal.

If Trump is just a regular republican. Why are so many of those republicans against his immigration policy, trade policy and foreign policy. Lol! What else is there. Let me guess. Tax Cuts makes u a republican

I didn't say he was a regular republican. In fact, I said he didn't have the normal social conservative view on gay rights. I said HE GOVERNS like a regular run-of-the-mill conservative republican when he actually passes stuff, mainly because he has to get the approval of house Republicans. He ran as a republican, won as a republican, and has staff that mainly identifies as republican.

What immigration policy does he want that regular republicans don't? His trade policy seems to be legally disputed and not favored by either party, but it's different, so fair enough I guess.

His foreign policy seems to change every week. One week he dropped the MOAB, the next week he doesn't want to be a player on the national stage at all. One week he's threatening North Korea, next week he's meeting with Kim. He needs to fill a bunch of diplomatic positions before he can really get started on a coherent foreign policy, but instead he hires Mustache McCarpetBomber as his national security adviser.

 

[BangersAndSmash]

Start denouncing the guys actually treating workers like shit.

All right dawg, line-em up.

Beezos- get him open-heart surgery by the cheapest doctor money can buy, and put that doctor on a super strict time-limit, and give that doctor the cheapest tools ever made after they were soaked in piss bottles.

Jobs- should have had to work on the factory line in Fox Conn for twenty hours a day without food and water until he tried to throw himself off the roof and got caught by the anti-suicide nets.

Sam Walton- Should have to shop at Wal-Mart during the busiest time of day. That's punishment enough.

Erling Perrson- Founder of H&M- put him in the middle of one of his Cambodian Sweatshops, then light it on fire and see if he can escape.

Boom!

 

[genecop]

The winning side...I hope.

 

[Quequeg]

Wait. So when Trump was doing all that bad stuff he was a Democrat?

U base your opinions on Trumps actions as president? So u are against dropping the corporate tax to more in line with Say, Canada's?

U are against stopping illegal immigration?

U are against the destruction of ISIS?

U are against the US becoming the largest oil producing country. This really hurts Russia

U are against stopping China from engaging in tech theft on any US companies doing business there?

U did say u support Trump with NK. But we're u saying he was going to start a nuclear war not too long ago?

The real effective tax rate for US corps(loopholes,tax breaks,) was already quite low with record profits the Tax cuts were unneeded and increased the deficit massively giving the Repubs a excuse to cut social spending. If you want to stop illegal immigration go after the employers. The destruction of Isis was a continuation of Obamas policies. Trump has nothing to do with the increase in oil production, again a continuation of a trend. I will give him some credit in getting tougher with China. NK, I never claimed a nuclear war was sure thing. None of this justifies his reverse robin hood tax cuts, blatant corruption, disregard for civil Liberties(Sessions), gutting of the EPA, attacks on our institutions and overall scubaggery.

 

[Prutfis]

Try actually looking up the unemployment rates. They are higher. Some at twice the rate.

As for taxes, Canada has lower rates. Does your theory only pertain to the US? You think Americans are not taxed enough compared to the rest of the world. Check out Canada's business tax

There are approximately 11-12.5 million illegal immigrants in the US. That is being conservative as it is IMPOSSIBLE to document all illegal immigrants. The fact u would ask what extreme immigration would have to do with a discussion on workers shows where your head is at

Do you have concrete numbers for those claims?
Unemployment in Denmark is 4.4%. Around 3.4% in Norway. A record high 7% or so in Sweden.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Mustache McCarpetBomber

 

[PureDominance]

$120k+ this year. I turn 27 in December.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

I am lower class but not at the lowest for employed people, trying to sort myself out. I judge others by who they are, not what they have.

With that said, my father turned himself around from a labourer/bouncer, to a man with four owned and rented out properties, a very well paying job and lives in a lovely house in an affluent area.

I’m happy for him, but I’ve noticed that even though he quotes that he used to steal food for us during the era of poll tax, I don’t see much empathy or understanding from him about my struggles at all. Theoretically he should relate to my problems, but instead he seems to take an ignorant and uncaring stance on my matters.

That’s why I haven’t spoken to him in six months.

 

[Gandhi]

If any “side” wins a class war, the people lose.

Rational policy that maximizes utility for the most people is the first victim of the class war
or any mindless pursuit of group self interest.

Right now the balance of mindlessness is concentrated more on the right however. The latest round of tax cuts proves this. But you could see it from the left as well or some nationalist angle.

 

[Hogey]

I fucking hate poor people.

 

[Gandhi]

To me there are about 10 classes in the United States.

1. Super rich.-Bezos, Gates
2. Pretty fckn rich- CEO of fortune 500
3. Wealthy- Retire comfortably
5. Above middle class-drives a new Honda
6. Middle class (most of us) 50k a year
7.lower middle. You got Netflix, but going to a non chain food joint...nah.
8. You seem poor. Struggling to makes ends meet. 30 yr old working entry level job. Car title loans
9. Welfare- Goodwill is your spot.
10. Homeless.

Far from rich vs poor

Good list but you could really dissect that 1 to 2.5 a bit as that is the top 1%.

Top of the chain are Fortune 500 ceos, top Athletes/super star actors. And yes the gates.

Then you have founders of private company, PE guys.

At the bottom of the 1% are top level professionals.