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The class war. Which side are you on?
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I know the difference. How about sticking to the substance instead of retreating into grammatical strawman.
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Of all the times losers on the internet have called me rustled, not a si flex time has it been true.
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Yeah, economically, Democrats and Republicans are way too similar, mainly because the Democrats always puss out and move to the right in the general election. However, the supreme court justices they pick (being that they never have to worry about re-election) are much more likely to vote against Citizen's United and other such horse-shit.
You would think that being elected would foster a sense of accountability in the candidates, but nope, literally the day after they are elected, they are already hitting up the same fat cat donors trading favors for re-election funds. They might actually govern for a whole six weeks before they revert to "re-election mode" wherein they vote like a pussy for the rest of their term.
In regards to the OP, as paraphrased from Jon Steinbeck "There are no working poor in America, only temporarily embarrassed millionaires". The bullshit that is trickle-down economics is a good example of that mindset at work. I'll cut taxes for the rich in hopes of creating a good tax environment for me when I'm rich. In the meantime, I'll open my mouth and pray that a rich man pisses dollars for me from off the top of his Mc-mansion.
Here's a scenario that illustrate the BS that's inherent in a lot of our economy when it's not properly regulated:
You work your job and bust your ass all year. Even though you start blowing the metrics away, your corporate overlords start crunching the numbers and they decide the metrics are too easy. They bump up the numbers considerably and now (largely due to busted ass equipment that is never replaced and repaired or piss poor logistical decisions) you have to work through your break to make the right numbers. You got a small raise (2%) sure, but the cost of the employee healthcare plan just rose.
"Thank Obama!" the shareholders retort as they count their stack of 100$s (they made a 15% increase for the year). "Thank Obama!" the insurance companies say as they stick their hands in your pocket and the healthcare provider's pocket. With the increase of the health insurance premium and the increase of the price of necessary goods like groceries, you'd be lucky if you ended the year with any kind of raise, and to top it all off, your company increased their required metrics so you're busting your ass off and "willingly" giving up your breaks just to keep your job.
You would think that being elected would foster a sense of accountability in the candidates, but nope, literally the day after they are elected, they are already hitting up the same fat cat donors trading favors for re-election funds. They might actually govern for a whole six weeks before they revert to "re-election mode" wherein they vote like a pussy for the rest of their term.
In regards to the OP, as paraphrased from Jon Steinbeck "There are no working poor in America, only temporarily embarrassed millionaires". The bullshit that is trickle-down economics is a good example of that mindset at work. I'll cut taxes for the rich in hopes of creating a good tax environment for me when I'm rich. In the meantime, I'll open my mouth and pray that a rich man pisses dollars for me from off the top of his Mc-mansion.
Here's a scenario that illustrate the BS that's inherent in a lot of our economy when it's not properly regulated:
You work your job and bust your ass all year. Even though you start blowing the metrics away, your corporate overlords start crunching the numbers and they decide the metrics are too easy. They bump up the numbers considerably and now (largely due to busted ass equipment that is never replaced and repaired or piss poor logistical decisions) you have to work through your break to make the right numbers. You got a small raise (2%) sure, but the cost of the employee healthcare plan just rose.
"Thank Obama!" the shareholders retort as they count their stack of 100$s (they made a 15% increase for the year). "Thank Obama!" the insurance companies say as they stick their hands in your pocket and the healthcare provider's pocket. With the increase of the health insurance premium and the increase of the price of necessary goods like groceries, you'd be lucky if you ended the year with any kind of raise, and to top it all off, your company increased their required metrics so you're busting your ass off and "willingly" giving up your breaks just to keep your job.
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By the every day people not being easily offended by any point of view that might vary from their own. And in response to being easily offended, not throw millions of people under blanket statements, to stroke their damaged ego. It is much better to discuss things and find middle ground, than to futher polarize each other.... otherwise the masses will be divided and easily conquered.
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Inflation-adjusted median presonal income is about one-third higher than it was in 1974, and that's with people working fewer hours on average. Also, it's likely that standard inflation calculations overstate inflation (which would mean that living standards are growing faster than the chart shows).
If you believe that given the overall expansion of wealth since 1974, median growth should be even higher, I agree. But you gotta make sure you get your facts right.
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The substance is that by nearly every objective measure Canada is doing very well overall relative to the rest of the developed world and there is zero evidence that will change anytime soon. I am quite happy to concede no one is perfect and there are plenty of areas for improvement, but judging by the facts and figures, it would be like raising your grade from A- to A. Meanwhile you have nothing but fear and your own subjective reactionary whiny view of how things should be socially driving your opinion. I responded in the manner you deserve and nothing less.
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Valid argument.
Sweden once rearranged snow plowing to accommodate "
Zero evidence my ass. Canadians are heavily leveraged financially and we're culturally decaying rapidly. Be mindful of interest rates.
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Union jobs were outsourced. Period. Look at the decline in manufacturing during those same charts. It's easy to see what happened. Its what will eventually happen to all countries that grow out of their building phase and move to their consuming phase
Also. Your theory that tax cuts destroy the middle class because the rich get richer is wrong. Of course the top 1% will benefit the most in a low tax scenario. So what?
U seem to be downplaying the outsourcing of jobs. The high tariffs pushed on our goods in some economies, the importation of cheap labor, the natural progression of an economy maturing and the rise of automation. How many is that?
What industries would u like to see unionized? Hard to unionize the lost manufacturing jobs wouldn't u say? Should we unionize service jobs? How bout Amazon? High Tech?
I don't care if people unionize. Go for it. I actually won't shop Amazon at all because of the way they treat their employees.
If I really thought unions were so important to the economy I'd become a lawyer and get out there and fight for them. U know what I mean?
I do my part by supporting companies that are good to workers.
Oh. And no, higher Union countries are not comparable to the US in unemployment. And those countries do not have our unique problem of tens of millions of poor immigrants
How can you possibly believe this and support Trump/Republicans?
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I'm not a republican. I do support Trump on some issues.
This place is 100% wacko in that anyone would think I'm republican. It's like u guys don't take the time to think things out
I'm pro choice in another thread.
I've frequently talked of my support of gay marriage even talking of those I know personally
I'm against capital punishment in ANY situation
I'm for legalization of drugs
U guys think anyone who doesn't agree with the Russian Narrative is some crazy racist Republican. Ask yourself why u guys think this way?
About Trump and workers. I personally believe he actually wants to help workers in America. I think his views on immigration and trade are based on his views that those 2 issues hurt the American worker. You can disagree if they help the worker but I think he believes it.
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Quequeg. Ask yourself this. Do u agree with Trump on anything? Seriously. Can u point to u giving him credit on anything?
I probably agree with him on 40-60%. I probably agreed with Obama in that same area range.
Hyperpartisans in here can't name 2 issues they agree with the other side on. Hell, 1 poster wouldn't even list his positions on simple issues because he knew how it would make him look
If u agree with EVERYTHING your side believes and likewise can't support ANYTHING Trump does. What does that say about u?
I mean think about it. U could probably find an issue or 2 that u and Hitler sided together on but u can't bring yourself to find common ground with the president? When did the other side become this evil monster?
I probably agree with him on 40-60%. I probably agreed with Obama in that same area range.
Hyperpartisans in here can't name 2 issues they agree with the other side on. Hell, 1 poster wouldn't even list his positions on simple issues because he knew how it would make him look
If u agree with EVERYTHING your side believes and likewise can't support ANYTHING Trump does. What does that say about u?
I mean think about it. U could probably find an issue or 2 that u and Hitler sided together on but u can't bring yourself to find common ground with the president? When did the other side become this evil monster?
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Here is a morality thought experiment:
You must spend the rest of your life in a concentration camp. You can choose to be either a prisoner or a guard.
Which do you become?
I have given credit to Trump for NK, the Democrats are very far from perfect but clearly the lesser of 2 evils. Trump has been anti worker his whole life(shafting them out of earned pay) he even said wages are too high during the campaign. The only reason he is on about illegal immigration is because it plays well with the base, 2 of his wives are foreign born and he has and still does hire foreign workers for his businesses and makes all his crap in China. If you really believe Trump cares about the working class you are extremely gullible. As far as the other policy positions you mention they are the exact opposite of Trump administration and the Republican party, you have been sold a con and bought it hook line and sinker.
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Canada is EXTREMELY business friendly.
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So if tax cuts don't drive growth (which they don't), the effect is to change the distribution of future output in a way that reduces middle-class incomes.
Is there any evidence of a correlation between unionization rates and unemployment rates? Not denying it, just asking. Just looking up a couple, it does seem that countries with significantly higher unionization rates than ours have comparable unemployment rates, but that's just a glance.
We don't have 10s of millions of poor immigrants. Where the heck did you come up with that? And what does immigration have to do with anything in this discussion?
Are you Canadian?
