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I saw him featured on inside mma this past weekend, cool stuff. they were saying that parts of brazil, like Rio, never talk about his victory... sad.
The Blonde Devil (Unknown Vale Tudo Legend)
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I saw him featured on inside mma this past weekend, cool stuff. they were saying that parts of brazil, like Rio, never talk about his victory... sad.
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There are a lot of Red Belts in BJJ that people in the U.S. don't know about. Also I keep telling people that BJJ has strikes as you can see in the photos but there are those out there that swear there aren't any in BJJ. I hope this thread changes the way some people think about BJJ........ It is more than a sport.
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Euclides is VERY famous and respected in the BJJ-MMA circles in Brazil, especially the old school guys ( over 35). He is in the same league as Ivan Gomes, Carlson Gracie, all these tough guys.
Euclides was a LL fighter, not a BJJ fighter.
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Well, according to the info in this thread, he trained under Helio's lineage.
Which brings me back to my previous question of where the LL guys learned their grappling from.
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Gracie Jiu Jitsu IS vale tudo, for the most part.
It was a self defense course until blue belt, and from them on, free fighting techniques. The problem is, few of those techniques are useable by a smaller man, but they were all trained, including stomps, elbows, punches, slaps, and slams.
It was a self defense course until blue belt, and from them on, free fighting techniques. The problem is, few of those techniques are useable by a smaller man, but they were all trained, including stomps, elbows, punches, slaps, and slams.
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LL is a variation of catch wrestling so its basically like our No Gi. Except they worked on striking just as much as ground work.
I was lucky enough to train in Rio and where I was honored to meet and have a private training session with Roberto Leitao. He is an oldschool LL guy, a master among masters. Sadly most americans dont know about him either, I being one of them before my trip to Brazil.
The more I learn the more I realized the falsehoods that have been spread over here when it comes to LL and BJJ.
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If you look at the link below you will find pics of him wearing a red and black belt....there are no belts in Luta Livre
Euclides Pereira Vale Tudo's Photos - Grandmaster Euclides Pereira | Facebook
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So, maybe you can help me with the question I was asking before. Where did the Luta Livre guys learn their grappling from?
For example, we already know that Maeda brought judo/jujitsu to Brazil. And as far as BJJ goes, we can mostly trace the lineage from that point.
But with Luta Livre, where did that come from? Did it completely originate in Brazil? Did someone from a foreign country teach their own style of submission wrestling to the Brazilians? Was it a Gracie student who had a falling out and started teaching poorer students without the gi for vale tudo? Or is it a complete mystery?
i don't recall who started LL, but in terms of what Euclides learnt, it was likely a combination of LL and BJJ.
His first teacher was Jurandir Moura in Recife, Moura taught both Luta Livre and BJJ (and was made a BJJ 8th dan not too long ago). According to that notice of his (Moura's) promotion, he trained with George Gracie, Pedro Hermeterio and the Judoka/Jitsuka Takeo Yano
[NOTICIAS] FALECIMENTO DO GRANDE MESTRE JURANDIR MOURA, 8
Euclides Pereira Vale Tudo | Facebook
He wants to do seminars. Sounds like a cool opportunity
And here's an interesting snippet
He wants to do seminars. Sounds like a cool opportunity
And here's an interesting snippet
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I disagree DonkeyKong. He's far from being famous and of course is respected only for fighters who know him.
I'll bring you guys a bit of Ivan Gomes's history. It'll take me a lot of time to translate it but since you're interested in valetudo roots and has shown respect for Master Euclides Pereira, I'll do it.
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Great read.
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This is VERY true but keep in perspective who they had Vale Tudo fights against.
They certainly could not have simply been fighting each other all that time.
Also it is illogical to believe that certain fighters from outside the Gracie system or certain systems could not or did not find success for a number of reasons.
A) like the gracies, others can crosstrain too
B) we witnessed how quickly certain fighters were able to adapt and defeat one dimensional fighters in the US. I would be hard pressed to buy the fact that there was a 50 year history of vale tudo and no one could solve the Gracie puzzle when in essence it was solved in fairly short order in the US and Japan.
C) and back to my 1st point, who were they fighting? I mean if the Gracies repeatedly beat everyone all the time after say 20 years (lol) who would be stupid enough to continue to fight them? Certainly the prize money COULDN'T have been worth it, especially when it was a "guaranteed" loss.
I love threads like these because it shows some glimpses of the past and gives credit to other fighters and systems in some cases with a minimum of marketing hype.
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Thank you. I would enjoy reading it very much.
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a "Secret" untold Legacy -"The Blonde Devil"
The whole reason I posted this thread is to give a man, a legend some more exposure... His just due. I personally found this amazing.
Euclides Pereira... The Blonde Devil. A Luta-Livre (No-Gi) fighter from the Northeast part of Brazil who had one of, if not the greatest Vale Tudo career in the history of Brazil having over 380 wins with no defeats. This man fought Carlson Gracie, Zulu, Waldemar Santana, and Ivan Gomez along with many other greats from his time. Now I know what your thinking; The same thing I thought... "What a bunch of BOLOGNE." For me it is almost impossible for me to grasp fighting in the hundreds, even more so never suffering a defeat. I heard of this man through my agent (a stand up guy, a family man, 100% honest) when I was planning some training down in Miami. He told me there is this 69 year old man who literally submitted a 6 foot 4, 240lb guy and he wouldn't have believed it unless he saw it with his own two eyes. Told me that he is this legend from Brazil, hardly anyone knows about him, blah blah blah. This was the first and only time I have ever doubted what my agent had to say. He told me how I should give this guy a chance when I get down to Miami for some training, that HDnet was doing a story on him (it airs this Friday), and whatever.
No way was I believing it... How come I have never heard of this guy? I had obviously heard of Carlson Gracie, I had seen fights of Zulu, I had heard of Ivan Gomez and Waldemar Santana (Santana defeated the late & great Helio Gracie)... Now why wouldn't I have heard of Euclides Pereira? I HAVE NO CLUE why I haven't heard of this guy! I have no clue why 99.9% of you guys have not heard of him either and that his legacy was almost dropped from the history books. One thing I sincerely know is that he is the real deal. Not only from training with him now for over a week. Not only because I have gotten to know him while we are staying at the same house while I am in Miami training. Mainly because I have seen legitimate proof. I have seen hundreds, I repeat, HUNDREDS of newspaper clippings from his fights. Pre-hype clippings of Helio Gracie saying how "Euclides will be lucky to last 30 seconds with Carlson" along with the rules the Gracies and Euclides agreed upon prefight. I saw pictures and headlines of him defeating Carlson and Carlson looking battered and broken. I saw a BEAUTIFUL body kick that Euclides landed on Zulu during their fight. I saw clipping after clipping after clipping in ONE of Euclides several scrapbooks that opened my eyes to a piece of MMA history that I have never known about, that was truly amazing to me, and that I thought it I should share with the UG. I have pics
This is coming from someone who has been a lurker here since my junior year in HS. I love the good threads where guys are breaking down gameplans from fights. I love when some pro's I look up to post here, and I love the threads where the UG outs a guy for being a phony. Even this past September I went to a small town in Colorado where a guy claimed he was 20-0 UFC Fighting and that he had a black belt in TKD,Kenpo AND Kempo Karate (Lol!), a blackbelt in Japanese and Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and even a BB in Muay Thai... he had his own BJJ class he was teaching. I went there, submitted him time and time again in front of his students, and personally "outted" him in front of his students by rolling with him rather than just telling his students he is full of it. I know I'll prolly get a lot of flack from a lot of you guys that came over from the Sherdog forums but I'd rather a few of you, or a lot of you to think I am delisiounal than to never give Euclides the credit he is due. This guy is insanely fit for being 69yrs old, insanely strong, and incredibly knowledgable.
I flew into Miami on Monday, July 5th and immediately went to the gym and where I trained with KOTC Heavyweight Champion Tony Johnson, and met Euclides for the first time. I saw this old man, with a fading hair line, and thought is this the guy that is suppose to be showing me stuff? Wow, my eyes were opened quick! This was before I had seen his incredible scrapbook. He watched Tony Johnson and I roll and through his translator he would tell us the smallest details of what we could do to make it better. I feel like I have a pretty decent mount, this guy has made my mount better than I thought it could be! He told me to get down and feel his mount, he mounted me, and at SIXTY NINE years old he was squeezing some of the air out of me. I can honestly say that his mount is one of the most technical, and tight mounts I have ever felt. From there he showed a lot of little tricks that were really neat. He talked about his approach is instead of posturing and punching like crazy, or smothering and throwing rabbit punches is to really pick your spots. To mount the guy with a purpose, maintain it, make sure you have post and good balance. Then he uses his postioning and one of his arms to move your opponents defense and to drop punishment, but stuff that counts. To aim for your opponents jaw and chin, to go at it very methodically and technical. To make every movement you make count. That was day ones lesson, and it may not sound too terrific but if I could explain this guys strategy towards fighting you'd know he is and was something great.
That evening we went home, I showered and the translator started dinner. After I got out of the shower Euclides came in the kitchen and told the translator he thought of some techniques that I would really like, he was correct. For the next TWO hours we traded techniques, mainly him teaching me. He adds things to submissions you would never think of. Some of it are some little dirty tricks he learned throughout his career to make the submission quicker, and add to the pain lol. None of it is illegal at all, but just had a "mean" factor to it that I learned in wrestling but that seems to be missing from sport jiu-jitsu. Little tricks that in a fight are gonna set up the RNC faster and not have to fight the hands so hard, or little ways to finish a guillotine in half the time, things that are like... "Why in the heck haven't I thought of or done this before?" Listening to this man I would feel like I was listening to a Rocky Marciano, a Dan Gable, or a Cael Sanderson... Somone that had been to the top, someone who was something great, who accomplished what 99.9% of people never will. He told me several times "when your in their it's YOUR territory, you fight with the skills you've trained, fight with all your heart, let nothing hold you back, the fight is where you let loose and let your skills be shown." Over and over he constantly impressed me.
The whole reason for this thread is to give this man his just due, I have heard of many people he fought... Almost always he was outweighed in his fights, and Euclides ALWAYS found a way to win. He fought a man called "King Kong" and could rip coconuts apart with his bare hands, and dwarfed him... he won, lol. Not that size matters, but I think things like that show how this guy is the true definition of a fighter. He was on a weekly Vale Tudo show that was for SIX years and he fought EVERY week. His career was from the early 60's till 1985. I think that he really is one of the best fighters in HISTORY, and I hope this opens some peoples eyes to a legend of our sport, the best sport in the world.
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