Movies THE BATMAN (Dragonlord's Review)

[revoltub]

Are we even sure that was joker? I thought maybe it could have been two face

Its probably joker because he mentioned something about them calling him a clown. Idk he definitely says clown.

I've only seen one other film with him, killing of the sacred deer. Hes actually very good and chilling in it. I wouldn't say that performance screams joker but I do think he has a creepy vibe about him that works with the casting.

I don't mind it. They havent taken a lot of chances with casting unknowns in comic book films, especially major characters, in a while.

 

[CrimsonFan]

Its probably joker because he mentioned something about them calling him a clown. Idk he definitely says clown.

I've only seen one other film with him, killing of the sacred deer. Hes actually very good and chilling in it. I wouldn't say that performance screams joker but I do think he has a creepy vibe about him that works with the casting.

I don't mind it. They havent taken a lot of chances with casting unknowns in comic book films, especially major characters, in a while.

It does seem like it's the joker but when you see his face it also seemed to hint at two face, one side being more scarred and messed up.

I don't know either. Btw is killing of a sacred deer worth watching? I've seen it on Netflix and the plot summary never really caught my attention

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Update: March 6, 2022

THE BATMAN Scores Second Biggest Pandemic Debut with $134 Million Opening Weekend [Updated]

The Caped Crusader is back. The Batman — starring Robert Pattinson in his first turn as the brooding crime fighter — flew to a huge $134 million in its domestic box office debut to secure the second-best opening of the pandemic era behind 2021’s Spider-Man: No Way Home ($260,138,569). It’s also director Matt Reeves’ biggest opening to date, and is only the second picture since December 2019 to cross $100 million in its first frame.

On Sunday, the opening was an estimated $128.5 million, but traffic for the day was much better than expected, pushing the final weekend number higher.

Overseas, the $200 million tentpole opened to an estimated $124 million from 75 markets for a worldwide start of $258 million. Like the domestic number, the final international number came in higher than Sunday’s estimate.

The Batman‘s early performance is all the more impressive considering it runs nearly three hours and, as well as being on the darker side. Nor was Reeves’ vision for the superhero a sure bet. It’s safe to say the pic’s strong opening launches a new Batman franchise for Warner Bros. and DC at a critical juncture for legacy Hollywood studios, who are growing ever more reliant on mega-tentpoles and known IP. (Also, Warners is on the brink of having a new owner, Discovery.)

Reeves was the first person Toby Emmerich hired to helm a superhero pic when Emmerich took over as president of Warner Bros. Motion Pictures (Joker and Suicide Squad were already in the works).

“You to buy into the idea that Batman is like Hamlet. He’s such a rich character. And that the only reason to do it is if you find a different swim lane and a Batman that’s true to the DNA, but is a different interpretation,” Emmerich says. “From the very beginning, Matt consciously made sure that the character and the story he was telling was different than anyone that had been told before.”

The Batman‘s opening cements the supremacy of the superhero genre at a time when many genres are struggling on the big screen. Younger males — who have so far fueled the fragile box office recovery — turned out in force and weren’t put off by the movie’s nearly three-hour running time or its darker themes. More than 65 percent of ticket buyers were male, while more than 60 percent of the audience was between ages 18 and 34.

The arrival of the Warner Bros. and DC tentpole couldn’t have come sooner for theater owners following a slow January and February in terms of Hollywood tentpoles.

Overseas, The Batman opened in most markets across the globe, although its release in Russia was scrubbed at the eleventh hour because of the invasion of Ukraine. It doesn’t release in China until March 14.

The Batman has been well received by critics and earned an A- CinemaScore from audiences, as well as strong PostTrack exit scores.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-batman-box-office-opening-1235104983/

 

[revoltub]

It does seem like it's the joker but when you see his face it also seemed to hint at two face, one side being more scarred and messed up.

I don't know either. Btw is killing of a sacred deer worth watching? I've seen it on Netflix and the plot summary never really caught my attention

I think it is worth watching but it's got a weird style to it that not everyone would enjoy . Like it is creepy but goofy and full of dry humor. It is similar to the same directors film the lobster in that the dialogue is purposely acted out in a strange, monotone way.

Personally I thought it was pretty good.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Are we even sure that was joker? I thought maybe it could have been two face

He's listed as joker on wiki and no one has corrected it. Pretty safe to say it's joker. I think if it was dent it would be mentioned with all the currupted DA talk throughout the film

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Are we even sure that was joker? I thought maybe it could have been two face

Very sure. He makes a reference to both himself and Riddler being referred to as 'clowns.'

That basically confirms it.

And the gang that Batman fights at the beginning are wearing clown makeup, which indicates Joker and Batman have had an interaction in this continuity taking place before this first movie leading to his current incarceration.

 

[JackWhite]

https://www.rataalada.com/

Something is getting released once the page loads. It's currently at 35%. Fingers crossed it's that Batman/Joker Arkham scene that got deleted. Another Riddler cipher is available too:

 

[TuBB]

Pretty damn good Batman story. Started out too slow but the second half of the film really got good. Pattinson as Bruce Wayne was kinda dull but when he put the mask on it was fine. Solid acting across the board, especially Catwoman and Gordon.

Spoiler

The reveal that the Riddler was your common incel anti-social guy didn’t feel shoehorned in as it would have in a Ben Affleck Batman. Shit got real afterwards and I got that Batman feeling that has been missing since Bale Batman. Got me in the feels when he was leading them out with the flare.

 

[JackWhite]

Pretty damn good Batman story. Started out too slow but the second half of the film really got good. Pattinson as Bruce Wayne was kinda dull but when he put the mask on it was fine. Solid acting across the board, especially Catwoman and Gordon.

Spoiler

The reveal that the Riddler was your common incel anti-social guy didn’t feel shoehorned in as it would have in a Ben Affleck Batman. Shit got real afterwards and I got that Batman feeling that has been missing since Bale Batman. Got me in the feels when he was leading them out with the flare.

Spoiler: spoiler

Yep, I got pretty choked up when the kids that were trapped in the rubble were at first a little scared of Batman. Then the son of the Mayor was the first to reach out to him and the rest followed. Nearly lost it when the girl he carried out grabbed his arm for comfort before she was airlifted to safety. Bale's Batman was altruistic to his core and I'm glad Pattinson's Bats is headed down that same path. This movie was something else man.

 

[Rizzo]

It does seem like it's the joker but when you see his face it also seemed to hint at two face, one side being more scarred and messed up.

I don't know either. Btw is killing of a sacred deer worth watching? I've seen it on Netflix and the plot summary never really caught my attention

Matt Reeves has confirmed that it was the Joker in the end there.

Also the killing of a sacred deer is one of the weirdest movies ever made, not my cup of tea but if you liked the movie Mother! you would like this. Just very weird is the best way to describe it.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Update: March 6, 2022

THE BATMAN Scores Second Biggest Pandemic Debut with $128.5 Million Opening Weekend

The Caped Crusader is back. The Batman — starring Robert Pattinson in his first turn as the brooding crime fighter — flew to a huge $128.5 million in its domestic box office debut to secure the second-best opening of the pandemic era behind 2021’s Spider-Man: No Way Home ($260,138,569). It’s also director Matt Reeves’ biggest opening to date, and is only the second picture since December 2019 to cross $100 million in its launch. Overseas, the $200 million tentpole opened to $120 million from 75 markets for a worldwide start of $248.5 million (more on this later).

The Batman‘s early performance is all the more impressive considering it runs nearly three hours and, as well as being on the darker side. Nor was Reeves’ vision for the superhero a sure bet. It’s safe to say the pic’s strong opening launches a new Batman franchise for Warner Bros. and DC at a critical juncture for legacy Hollywood studios, who are growing ever more reliant on mega-tentpoles and known IP. (Also, Warners is on the brink of having a new owner, Discovery.)

Reeves was the first person Toby Emmerich hired to helm a superhero pic when Emmerich took over as president of Warner Bros. Motion Pictures (Joker and Suicide Squad were already in the works).

“You to buy into the idea that Batman is like Hamlet. He’s such a rich character. And that the only reason to do it is if you find a different swim lane and a Batman that’s true to the DNA, but is a different interpretation,” Emmerich says. “From the very beginning, Matt consciously made sure that the character and the story he was telling was different than anyone that had been told before.”

The Batman‘s opening cements the supremacy of the superhero genre at a time when many genres are struggling on the big screen. Younger males — who have so far fueled the fragile box office recovery — turned out in force and weren’t put off by the movie’s nearly three-hour running time or its darker themes. More than 65 percent of ticket buyers were male, while more than 60 percent of the audience was between ages 18 and 34.

The arrival of the Warner Bros. and DC tentpole couldn’t have come sooner for theater owners following a slow January and February in terms of Hollywood tentpoles.

Overseas, The Batman opened in most markets across the globe, although its release in Russia was scrubbed at the eleventh hour because of the invasion of Ukraine. It doesn’t release in China until March 14.

The Batman has been well received by critics and earned an A- CinemaScore from audiences, as well as strong PostTrack exit scores.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-batman-box-office-opening-1235104983/

I'm a proud MCU OG. But I'm really happy The Batman is making serious bank. The last thing I want is for Marvel to get complacent because they don't have any competition. Also, even hardcore Marvel fans like me love them some Dark Knight

 

[GearSolidMetal]

The replies to this tweet are pretty funny.

 

[revoltub]

Okay so I posted a review in me and hbks thread already but I'll post the spoiler tag stuff here. Its the stuff in the movie that bothered me.

Note that maybe some stuff went over my head as I was caught up in the experience. But I'd like some thoughts on these things.

Still using tags for spoilers since it is only first week out.

Spoiler

batman doesnt actually seem to solve anything important. Riddlers entire plan pretty much comes to fruition. Batman figures out a few riddles here and there but one of the major plot points is who the "rat with wings" is. It is falcone and he goes down not because batman figures out the riddle but because he but dials catwoman as he is killing her friend. Batman does then figure out the carpet thing which was cool but also imo felt a little useless because at that point it is already happening. It feels like Batman is more along the ride than figuring out and outsmarting everyone around him.

I also didnt think the film really nailed the finale and the ending. I like what they were going for but I felt it was a little too rushed and didnt match what the film built up at least for me.

I also didnt like how batman needs to be saved by selina at the end. I never felt like this Batman got his time to shine over the villains in this movie. He never has that moment where he really stands out and get his batman moment.

Didnt like the scene where batman gets knocked out and not one of the cops decides to just take off his mask. Even though it feels like from what they built up one of them would definitely do it.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Okay so I posted a review in me and hbks thread already but I'll post the spoiler tag stuff here. Its the stuff in the movie that bothered me.

Note that maybe some stuff went over my head as I was caught up in the experience. But I'd like some thoughts on these things.

Still using tags for spoilers since it is only first week out.

Spoiler

batman doesnt actually seem to solve anything important. Riddlers entire plan pretty much comes to fruition. Batman figures out a few riddles here and there but one of the major plot points is who the "rat with wings" is. It is falcone and he goes down not because batman figures out the riddle but because he but dials catwoman as he is killing her friend. Batman does then figure out the carpet thing which was cool but also imo felt a little useless because at that point it is already happening. It feels like Batman is more along the ride than figuring out and outsmarting everyone around him.

I also didnt think the film really nailed the finale and the ending. I like what they were going for but I felt it was a little too rushed and didnt match what the film built up at least for me.

I also didnt like how batman needs to be saved by selina at the end. I never felt like this Batman got his time to shine over the villains in this movie. He never has that moment where he really stands out and get his batman moment.

Didnt like the scene where batman gets knocked out and not one of the cops decides to just take off his mask. Even though it feels like from what they built up one of them would definitely do it.

Spoiler

This Batman is only 2 years in the game. He's young, reckless, and is just a blunt tool to bludgeon bad guys with.
He doesn't do a lot of strategy or planning. He just charges into brawl, taking punches and gun fire that he doesnt need to. He tells Alfred that he doesn't care what happens to himself.
I think the point of the movie was to show how reckless he is, so we can see how he grows in the future movies.
It also helps to showcase the abilities of the villains, so that Batman isn't the meme invincible genius that no one can touch.
Batman was figuring things out all along, or at least knew the direction of where to look. But he doesn't need to be as smart as, or as familiar with the minds of the likes of Riddler this early in his career.
The cops would've never figured anything out without him.

I think the cops were kind of split in how they feel about Batman. THere's ones that hated him, but others that had a healthy fear or respect for him. I think that balance could stop people from unmasking him. And as long as Gordon was around, he wasn't going to let them anyways.

 

[revoltub]

Spoiler

This Batman is only 2 years in the game. He's young, reckless, and is just a blunt tool to bludgeon bad guys with.
He doesn't do a lot of strategy or planning. He just charges into brawl, taking punches and gun fire that he doesnt need to. He tells Alfred that he doesn't care what happens to himself.
I think the point of the movie was to show how reckless he is, so we can see how he grows in the future movies.
It also helps to showcase the abilities of the villains, so that Batman isn't the meme invincible genius that no one can touch.
Batman was figuring things out all along, or at least knew the direction of where to look. But he doesn't need to be as smart as, or as familiar with the minds of the likes of Riddler this early in his career.
The cops would've never figured anything out without him.

I think the cops were kind of split in how they feel about Batman. THere's ones that hated him, but others that had a healthy fear or respect for him. I think that balance could stop people from unmasking him. And as long as Gordon was around, he wasn't going to let them anyways.

Yeah but

Spoiler

it was implied that him and Gordon spent a lot of time dealing with Maroni and all that. So there was already a learning process for him within the story that we didnt see in which it is heavily implied that he developed a lot of his detective skills.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Yeah but

Spoiler

it was implied that him and Gordon spent a lot of time dealing with Maroni and all that. So there was already a learning process for him within the story that we didnt see in which it is heavily implied that he developed a lot of his detective skills.

Spoiler

Yeah, but Maroni is just a standard crime boss. That's very different from the likes of The Riddler.
And it's not like Batman was incompetent here, he just didn't have an easy slam dunk. The whole 'pigeon with wings' riddle kind of showed that neither of them were perfect geniuses. The Spanish wasn't correct, and it really couldve been a bat, a penguin, or a falcon---but who knows, we're trying to understand the mind of a mentally unstable weirdo.
He doesn't have to make sense, and he likely wouldn't make 100% sense.

Batman showed his detective skills when it had to deal with the violence and crime scenes..having a keen eye..etc.
Part of his weakness as a character right now is that he looks at things too narrowly----"There's good guys and bad guys. You're a product of your own choices". He has a very black and white way of looking at things right now.
And that forces him to miss the bigger picture, and misjudge things. Catwoman brings this up to him, and how he misjudged her.
He was then tricked by Falcone about the murder of his parents.
The whole point here was to show how inexperienced and naive he is still, so it wouldn't make a lot of sense for him to be THE Batman we know when he's still a rookie rigiht now, especially when we know that Pattison is signed on to do a trilogy.

 

[revoltub]

Spoiler

Yeah, but Maroni is just a standard crime boss. That's very different from the likes of The Riddler.
And it's not like Batman was incompetent here, he just didn't have an easy slam dunk. The whole 'pigeon with wings' riddle kind of showed that neither of them were perfect geniuses. The Spanish wasn't correct, and it really couldve been a bat, a penguin, or a falcon---but who knows, we're trying to understand the mind of a mentally unstable weirdo.
He doesn't have to make sense, and he likely wouldn't make 100% sense.

Batman showed his detective skills when it had to deal with the violence and crime scenes..having a keen eye..etc.
Part of his weakness as a character right now is that he looks at things too narrowly----"There's good guys and bad guys. You're a product of your own choices". He has a very black and white way of looking at things right now.
And that forces him to miss the bigger picture, and misjudge things. Catwoman brings this up to him, and how he misjudged her.
He was then tricked by Falcone about the murder of his parents.
The whole point here was to show how inexperienced and naive he is still, so it wouldn't make a lot of sense for him to be THE Batman we know when he's still a rookie rigiht now, especially when we know that Pattison is signed on to do a trilogy.

Yeah that makes sense to me

Spoiler

i guess I just wanted a little more from it. I get that he is still inexperienced as a detective but I never got that moment where I felt he solved the case or at least got a similar moment of "aha". Like with the carpet thing, it was a cool moment but it felt a little bit too good to be true and forced in for me. I guess just in my opinion he didnt seem to grow much as a detective.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Yeah that makes sense to me

Spoiler

i guess I just wanted a little more from it. I get that he is still inexperienced as a detective but I never got that moment where I felt he solved the case or at least got a similar moment of "aha". Like with the carpet thing, it was a cool moment but it felt a little bit too good to be true and forced in for me. I guess just in my opinion he didnt seem to grow much as a detective.

I get that.

Spoiler

I think his 'aha' moment wasn't centered around him being a detective though, but being a better Batman. This movie just displayed more of his detective skills, but it wasn't totally about him being a detective. It was about him being a better Batman and finding some purpose in what he's doing..having a better understanding of himself, his family history, the people he protects, and even the bad guys.
His 'aha' moments were all his personal growth moments after having conversations with Selina, Alfred, Gordon, Falcone and Riddler...saving the people in the end and not just being a symbol of fear and darkness, but also of hope.
If this was a standalone movie, I'd share your feeling more. But it's 1 of 3, so there's plenty of room for him to grow into the Batman in future movies. He shouldn't be a completed character yet.
And I'm also a big fan of making credible and dangerous bad guys. I don't want heroes to always one shot KO bad guys. The Riddler is a genius mastermind, what fun would it be if Batman always effortlessly solves every puzzle in front of him? It just makes Riddler not look like a real threat.

 

[revoltub]

I get that.

Spoiler

I think his 'aha' moment wasn't centered around him being a detective though, but being a better Batman. This movie just displayed more of his detective skills, but it wasn't totally about him being a detective. It was about him being a better Batman and finding some purpose in what he's doing..having a better understanding of himself, his family history, the people he protects, and even the bad guys.
His 'aha' moments were all his personal growth moments after having conversations with Selina, Alfred, Gordon, Falcone and Riddler...saving the people in the end and not just being a symbol of fear and darkness, but also of hope.
If this was a standalone movie, I'd share your feeling more. But it's 1 of 3, so there's plenty of room for him to grow into the Batman in future movies. He shouldn't be a completed character yet.
And I'm also a big fan of making credible and dangerous bad guys. I don't want heroes to always one shot KO bad guys. The Riddler is a genius mastermind, what fun would it be if Batman always effortlessly solves every puzzle in front of him? It just makes Riddler not look like a real threat.

Spoiler

yeah I liked that aspect of him growing as a hero beyond punishing criminals but I also thought Begins made a similar point quicker and better when he fails at killing joe chill. I dont expect him to outwit every criminal to the fullest extent but I thought some of the bigger moments like the falcone riddle or the carpet thing seemed handed to him instead of something he figured out on his own. Overall it's not a huge complaint and most of it still works for me.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Spoiler

yeah I liked that aspect of him growing as a hero beyond punishing criminals but I also thought Begins made a similar point quicker and better when he fails at killing joe chill. I dont expect him to outwit every criminal to the fullest extent but I thought some of the bigger moments like the falcone riddle or the carpet thing seemed handed to him instead of something he figured out on his own. Overall it's not a huge complaint and most of it still works for me.

That's fair. I can get that "something" felt missing. I wouldn't of been mad at them giving him a little something more in terms of personal accomplishment.