The American Gun Rights Thread Vol. 3

[jlagman]

It's not impossible to tuck in your elbow you clown, but it certainly isn't comfy doing it.

Once again, the guy who has never even touched a gun is telling people who do shoot, what is and isn't a comfortable way to hold a gun. Where are all the hunters with chronic, stock-related aches and pains? Or the WWII vets with "stock elbow"?

In the words of Matt Serra, "You're like an expert swimmer that never got into a pool."

 

[BVG]

Once again, the guy who has never even touched a gun is telling people who do shoot, what is and isn't a comfortable way to hold a gun. Where are all the hunters with chronic, stock-related aches and pains? Or the WWII vets with "stock elbow"?

In the words of Matt Serra, "You're like an expert swimmer that never got into a pool."

Contrary to the one photo you've found most people stick their elbow out. It's just how the body forms around the gun naturally.

They are not going to want to tuck in the elbow because it works against the bend in the wrist.

Nice try though.

 

[jlagman]

Contrary to the one photo you've found most people stick their elbow out. It's just how the body forms around the gun naturally.

They are not going to want to tuck in the elbow because it works against the bend in the wrist.

Nice try though.

You want to know the real reason why some people chicken wing? It has nothing to do with the two seconds you took to try to imagine what it's like to grip a stock, from behind your keyboard and pretend it causes chronic wrist and elbow pain.

Recoil, you would know that if you actually shoot. Shit, if you actually shot, you would realize that a stock isn't as uncomfortable or "clumsy" as you pretend it is, to inflate your shitty argument.

Shitty try (again) though.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

LOL ok...so you draw the line at submarines and nukes? LOL...have fun with that.

Pistol grips also allow you to keep your elbows tucked in tight, a stock grip is more comfortable with the elbow straight out...but thanks for proving my point just after you called me delusional.

lol...dumbass.

"you are delusion...blah blah blah...proves my point"

Lol still delusional.

Did I say that? More deflection loser. Still can't answer the question.

What does the elbow postion have to do with the potential of a gun? Just because you say it is clumsy without ever holding a gun doesn't make it true. You are digging a rather deep hole.

Btw tucking in hard with any rifle is uncomfortable. I shoot AR's and semi auto rifles with a stock at about a 30 degree elbow angle. I literally just tried it and there is little difference in comfort between them. I find that elbow postion naturally comfortable for me.

The reason the elbow out is a thing is because you can seat the rifle better into your shoulder with any rifle. Not just a rifle with a stock. This is observable with your hand. Put your off hand where the butt would meet at your shoulder. Now move your grip hands elbow in and out. The Higher up the more of a pocket is created. It is a precision hold. Also by doing that more recoil goes into your peck vs your shoulder. So depending on what the type of shooting your are doing with any rifle your elbow angle should adjust for the situation.

 

[Greoric]

I'm not going to defend some of our court rulings regarding self defense...but the bigger picture, you keep missing it.

I don't live in fear of being invaded at home...you do. And you fear it so much that you've taken measures to prepare for it. While I'm chillin and relaxin without a care in the world...no guns needed. You've armed yourself and hug your guns as a safety blanket. I'd say we live in two very drastically different environments, fella. I'd think about that next time you feel like judgin other places.

Label it whatever you want. What does anyone's "fear" have anything to do with you?

 

[BVG]

Lol still delusional.

Did I say that? More deflection loser. Still can't answer the question.

What does the elbow postion have to do with the potential of a gun? Just because you say it is clumsy without ever holding a gun doesn't make it true. You are digging a rather deep hole.

Btw tucking in hard with any rifle is uncomfortable. I shoot AR's and semi auto rifles with a stock at about a 30 degree elbow angle. I literally just tried it and there is little difference in comfort between them. I find that elbow postion naturally comfortable for me.

The reason the elbow out is a thing is because you can seat the rifle better into your shoulder with any rifle. Not just a rifle with a stock. This is observable with your hand. Put your off hand where the butt would meet at your shoulder. Now move your grip hands elbow in and out. The Higher up the more of a pocket is created. It is a precision hold. Also by doing that more recoil goes into your peck vs your shoulder. So depending on what the type of shooting your are doing with any rifle your elbow angle should adjust for the situation.

Those are impressive gif's for sure but that doesn't prove jack shit.

People are remarkable. And with practice a person can handle even thoe most awkard weapon with speed, ease and magnificence.

Here's a guy throwing knives with speed and accuracy



here's a guy throwing fucking SILVERWARE...



how about a large 2 handed axe?




So what's the point? The point is that you haven't convinced me of jack shit. You just showed me practice shooters display their prowess with a slightly more awkward design of a gun.

Thanks though. Was neat to see.

 

[BVG]

Label it whatever you want. What does anyone's "fear" have anything to do with you?

It doesn't have anything to do with me. The argument was does the design of a weapon allow it to be easier to use during certain combat situations?

All that these dipshits can come back with is "but you can do all these things with the other more clumsy design..."

And we keep going around and around!

 

[jlagman]

So let's recap, we've discussed tanks, nukes, grenades, rocket launchers, submarines, etc. We've discussed how military spending and their incidental use of a style of accessory somehow makes it allegedly "less awkward and clumsy" combat effective. We're now talking about fucking kitchen utensils and shit because some derp, who has never even touched a gun and has no firsthand knowledge of how one would even feel in his hand; has dug himself into a hole regarding the alleged awkwardness and clumisness of a stock, which he has yet to provide any evidence to support his claim other than "soldiers and 700 billion blah, blah, blah"

 

[jlagman]

It doesn't have anything to do with me. The argument was does the design of a weapon allow it to be easier to use during certain combat situations?

All that these dipshits can come back with is "but you can do all these things with the other more clumsy design..."

And we keep going around and around!

So basically, you're acknowledging that the alleged "clumsier design" can do things just as well and therefore, perhaps it isn't as clumsy as you've led yourself to believe. Now you're at least beginning to "follow along", fella.

 

[oldshadow]

You are right we should allow people who want to go on rampages, as much comfort as possible as they set out on their task.

Pistol grips are a small detail that as you've listed go with the overall design that makes an AR much more comfortable and effective for combat scenarios. Which apparently in the United States, is a must have because at any given moment everyone is about to be home invaded.

First the number of people that go on rampages is very small and the difference between a pistol grip and not having one would be so small as not to be consequential.

Since this thread was re bumped...several of you have finally come to terms that the grip does lend itself to be better suited towards combat...among other design choices regarding the difference between these two guns;

And while I get that they both shoot the same caliber with the same rate and fire and have the same capacity...the design of the top gun is that of a gun designed for combat...where as the bottom one is much more clumsy. That was my entire point. And you've finally "got" it. So I really don't see the need to argue this further. But if you wanna keep bumping this, I'll keep rehashing it.

Having owned and fired both of these plenty I can use one just as well as the other. How you ever fired one of these weapons?

It's not impossible to tuck in your elbow you clown, but it certainly isn't comfy doing it.

Yes it is. I have fired plenty of both with and without and have no problem with getting into correct firing position.

Contrary to the one photo you've found most people stick their elbow out. It's just how the body forms around the gun naturally.

They are not going to want to tuck in the elbow because it works against the bend in the wrist.

Nice try though.

Then you don't have your hands in the proper position.

Tell me how much shooting you have done.

I have shot all my life including competing in various pistol and rifle competitions.

 

[jlagman]

All this dipshit can come back with is "it's clumsy because the military doesn't use it anymore...$700 billion, blah, blah, blah. Now watch this guy throwing a butter knife totally prove my point about stocks and pistol grips."

LOL

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Those are impressive gif's for sure but that doesn't prove jack shit.

People are remarkable. And with practice a person can handle even thoe most awkard weapon with speed, ease and magnificence.

So what's the point? The point is that you haven't convinced me of jack shit. You just showed me practice shooters display their prowess with a slightly more awkward design of a gun.

What pro shooters use.

Here is what they don't use because this is actually more clumsy.

I'm done. You are clearly an idiot and a troll.

 

[BVG]

What pro shooters use.

Here is what they don't use because this is actually more clumsy.

I'm done. You are clearly an idiot and a troll.

That's awesome!

Are pro shooters in combat scenerios?

Here's what 700 billion plus in military spending uses...

here's what swat uses...

Here's what the Chinese use!

Russia...

Turkey

Isreal

I see a pattern here...

 

[BVG]

All this dipshit can come back with is "it's clumsy because the military doesn't use it anymore...$700 billion, blah, blah, blah. Now watch this guy throwing a butter knife totally prove my point about stocks and pistol grips."

LOL

It was commentary that anyone can master the use of anything clumsy...but I expected that to sail right on over your head.

 

[BVG]

First the number of people that go on rampages is very small and the difference between a pistol grip and not having one would be so small as not to be consequential.

That's great! Then you wouldn't mind if they were removed from the market?

 

[oldshadow]

That's great! Then you wouldn't mind if they were removed from the market?

Why should they be.

There is no reason to.

 

[jlagman]

It was commentary that anyone can master the use of anything clumsy...but I expected that to sail right on over your head.

You must be right, I mean, why would a hunter not take 5 minutes to pull out some screws to install an allegedly superior pistol grip when they can instead spend months and years learning how to shoot an allegedly more awkward and clumsy stock well? Makes sense.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

That's awesome!

Are pro shooters in combat scenerios?

Here's what 700 billion plus in military spending uses...

Are we not talking about what is or isn't clumsy. The best shooters in the world use shotguns with stocks over grips. They also use AR's because it is the best overall platform.

The AR/M4 platform overall is best. It is better than anything else. Are you fucking stupid. How many times do people have say this. Low recoil, accessories, low weight, compact, etc. The pistol grip is better for transporting in a low ready position.

However the pistol grip does nothing for pure shooting that would give a rampaging civilian an advantage over a stock. That is the argument. That you somehow think a pistol grip in civilian hands is an unstoppable death machine and that in your opinion(without ever holding one) a stock is some clumsy pos.

Just gtfo idiot.

 

[My Spot]

I like how BVG claims not to supposedly care and yet he keeps posting and posting and posting. Wonder if he still has me on ignore.

 

[BVG]

I like how BVG claims not to supposedly care and yet he keeps posting and posting and posting. Wonder if he still has me on ignore.

Some idiot bumped the thread so let's dance the dance. The argument was lost then, he bumped it...it still has changed.