The American Gun Rights Thread Vol. 3

[Cubo de Sangre]

You don't live here, you don't like guns. We got it.

Where's he from?

 

[Scrody]

Canada.

 

[BVG]

Good, great, grand. Now shut the fuck up. You don't live here, you don't like guns. We got it.

Don't bump a 6 month old thread then I guess?

I'll keep posting until you let it fucking die.

 

[BVG]

The design of the weapon does affect the handling along with other things like the most important thing, training.

The military chooses a weapon on cost and the fact it can be used in many situations for a general combat use.

One of the main reason they went to a smaller caliber round was cost and weight.

There is no reason to limit the design like pistol grip or flash suppressor or tripod to military or police only. It does not give the shooter much of a handling advantage.

There is no reason why a person should not be able to own as many weapons as they want legally. I can't think of one good reason to limit the number and also different guns are used for different things from hunting to self-defense to target shooting.

You are right we should allow people who want to go on rampages, as much comfort as possible as they set out on their task.

Pistol grips are a small detail that as you've listed go with the overall design that makes an AR much more comfortable and effective for combat scenarios. Which apparently in the United States, is a must have because at any given moment everyone is about to be home invaded.

 

[BVG]

Canada.

M'urica...

 

[BVG]

What is wrong with having 30 guns. I've already given many examples as to why someone might want that many. What difference does it make how many guns someone has. Someone could have 100 guns. What does that matter.

It's not the pistol grip, it's the overall design... If you seriously think that someone with a M14 mini or sks couldn't go off on some rampage less effectively than an AR you are an idiot. But you've already shown that.



If it was the pistol grip professional 3 gun shooters would have them on their shotguns. The fact is that they really aren't better for pure shooting. They are better for comfort, adjustability and customization. With a full stock you get more leverage and control. However the AR platform does other things better than an the M14 mini.

It's not common sense, it's "I don't understand this and it looks scary so we should ban it".

You seriously don't know what you are talking about.

Also you keep misusing "their".

Curious...at what point would you consider someone who collects arms as becoming excessive? Is it just firearms? Are you ok with grenades? How about rocket launchers? Tanks? Helicopters? Bombs?

What line would you draw where you would say "enough is enough fella...that's a tad excessive."

 

[BVG]

I read you making the legal argument often. You do it well, and obviously know your stuff when it comes to the litigation and legislation. But frankly, it shouldn't matter what a coercive monopoly based out of the District of Criminals or anywhere else for that matter has to say about it. As far as I'm concerned just because an organized group of thugs in Australia, Canada, or wherever wants the option to smash their citizen's rights into dog shit doesn't ultimately absolve people of an inalienable right. They might get executed or thrown in a cage exercising it, but the principle transcends any group of assholes' mandate.

I'm not going to defend some of our court rulings regarding self defense...but the bigger picture, you keep missing it.

I don't live in fear of being invaded at home...you do. And you fear it so much that you've taken measures to prepare for it. While I'm chillin and relaxin without a care in the world...no guns needed. You've armed yourself and hug your guns as a safety blanket. I'd say we live in two very drastically different environments, fella. I'd think about that next time you feel like judgin other places.

 

[BVG]

Your knowledge on guns is ant poop compared to the GOAT John Browning. Many of his designs are still in use nearly a century after his death. Did he get the designs wrong? If not then why so many of them? When the government itself stocks numerous sizes and calibers of weapons do they get that wrong? They do spend 700 billion per blah blah.

Your 2nd paragraph isn't a quality response to what I said. You should reexamine it for flaws.

Spoiler: Hint

Any functional gun is suited for discharging a projectile at a target. With mass shootings that's about all that's usually required (due to the element of surprise and technological superiority).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browning

None of this shit means anything to me. It's crazy that you actually fucking posted it.

Many of his designs are still in use nearly a century after his death. What? Like a autoloading firearms? So what?

Or how about this gem;

"Any functional gun is suited for discharging a projectile at a target. With mass shootings that's about all that's usually required (due to the element of surprise and technological superiority)."

Did you actually post this shit?

Try shooting up a school with this;

it falls under the category of "a functional gun..." I mean you would have to reload it after each shot, allowing your would be victims time to fight or flight...but I'm sure it's every bit as effective as this;

Drastic comparison but I hope the point of design and functionality is recaptured into your brain.

 

[BVG]

Since this thread was re bumped...several of you have finally come to terms that the grip does lend itself to be better suited towards combat...among other design choices regarding the difference between these two guns;

And while I get that they both shoot the same caliber with the same rate and fire and have the same capacity...the design of the top gun is that of a gun designed for combat...where as the bottom one is much more clumsy. That was my entire point. And you've finally "got" it. So I really don't see the need to argue this further. But if you wanna keep bumping this, I'll keep rehashing it.

 

[jlagman]

Since this thread was re bumped...several of you have finally come to terms that the grip does lend itself to be better suited towards combat...among other design choices regarding the difference between these two guns;

And while I get that they both shoot the same caliber with the same rate and fire and have the same capacity...the design of the top gun is that of a gun designed for combat...where as the bottom one is much more clumsy. That was my entire point. And you've finally "got" it. So I really don't see the need to argue this further. But if you wanna keep bumping this, I'll keep rehashing it.

LOL, still with this "clumsy" shit. It's like a virgin whose only ever seen pussy on the Internet teaching a class on fucking. Prepare your porn revenue figures, people with actual experience might not believe you.



Yup, sooooooop clumsy, imagine how much faster his rate of fire, sight acquisition and ducking ability would have been with a pistol grip designed for combat.

700 Billion...blah, blah, blah.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Curious...at what point would you consider someone who collects arms as becoming excessive? Is it just firearms? Are you ok with grenades? How about rocket launchers? Tanks? Helicopters? Bombs?

What line would you draw where you would say "enough is enough fella...that's a tad excessive."

Someone can have as many firearms as they want. Grenades as well with the proper license. People already own tanks and helicopters. Wealthy people can own all that shit you posted with the proper licenses. Your average Joe can't afford that shit. So if you are trying to make some kind of point. Go ahead and spill it. Again this entire post is deflection.

What does it matter if someone has 10 or 100 firearms... not bombs and nucular submarines... firearms.

Since this thread was re bumped...several of you have finally come to terms that the grip does lend itself to be better suited towards combat...among other design choices regarding the difference between these two guns;

And while I get that they both shoot the same caliber with the same rate and fire and have the same capacity...the design of the top gun is that of a gun designed for combat...where as the bottom one is much more clumsy. That was my entire point. And you've finally "got" it. So I really don't see the need to argue this further. But if you wanna keep bumping this, I'll keep rehashing it.

Several of us have comes to terms with... You are delusional.

You have absolutely no fucking idea what you are talking about. People have already told you that the grip doesn't make it magically 10000x more effective. In fact I'll say it again. A regular stock is better for pure shooting. More leverage, stability and control. Perfect example is 3 gunners using shotguns without pistol grips. The rest of the AR platform is better for customization, adjustability and carrying comfort.

Here is the big advantage of a pistol grip. Keeping the gun at low ready confortably and a fast transition into firing.

There is nothing clumsy about a rifle stock. How are you even basing these claims. Have you even handled a gun.

 

[Scrody]

Reroute, he's an idiot that shits his pants over guns that aren't even near him. Of course he's never held one. He's scared over inanimate objects in another country. Talk about bitch made.

 

[BVG]

Someone can have as many firearms as they want. Grenades as well with the proper license. People already own tanks and helicopters. Wealthy people can own all that shit you posted with the proper licenses. Your average Joe can't afford that shit. So if you are trying to make some kind of point. Go ahead and spill it. Again this entire post is deflection.

What does it matter if someone has 10 or 100 firearms... not bombs and nucular submarines... firearms.




Several of us have comes to terms with... You are delusional.

You have absolutely no fucking idea what you are talking about. People have already told you that the grip doesn't make it magically 10000x more effective. In fact I'll say it again. A regular stock is better for pure shooting. More leverage, stability and control. Perfect example is 3 gunners using shotguns without pistol grips. The rest of the AR platform is better for customization, adjustability and carrying comfort.

Here is the big advantage of a pistol grip. Keeping the gun at low ready confortably and a fast transition into firing.

There is nothing clumsy about a rifle stock. How are you even basing these claims. Have you even handled a gun.

LOL ok...so you draw the line at submarines and nukes? LOL...have fun with that.

Pistol grips also allow you to keep your elbows tucked in tight, a stock grip is more comfortable with the elbow straight out...but thanks for proving my point just after you called me delusional.

lol...dumbass.

"you are delusion...blah blah blah...proves my point"

 

[BVG]

Reroute, he's an idiot that shits his pants over guns that aren't even near him. Of course he's never held one. He's scared over inanimate objects in another country. Talk about bitch made.

I'm having an entertaining argument with a bunch of rednecks and now you are all looking fucking stupid as each end up agreeing with my original argument.

But you did catch me on my use of their. That's something!

 

[Scrody]

I'm having an entertaining argument with a bunch of rednecks and now you are all looking fucking stupid as each end up agreeing with my original argument.

But you did catch me on my use of their. That's something!

But this isn't an argument, you're getting steamrolled and you're too stupid to realize it. The only thing you've proven is that you have a fascination with dicks, pistol grips and America.

 

[BVG]

LOL, still with this "clumsy" shit. It's like a virgin whose only ever seen pussy on the Internet teaching a class on fucking. Prepare your porn revenue figures, people with actual experience might not believe you.



Yup, sooooooop clumsy, imagine how much faster his rate of fire, sight acquisition and ducking ability would have been with a pistol grip designed for combat.

700 Billion...blah, blah, blah.

Yes that grip still looks clumsy. Sorry. You could put a stock grip on a rocket launcher that still doesn't negate my point.

And yes 700 BILLION dollars and they've ALL decided that the pistol grip is best suited for combat.

But you keep showing me the fat guy with the slow aim pump out some rounds with his mini 14...which also should be illegal...if that makes ya feel better. We are talking about effectiveness of grip in combat.

You've lost already since every military on the planet seems to have sided with pistol grips.

Wanna post it again? I'll be here and watch it!

 

[BVG]

But this isn't an argument, you're getting steamrolled and you're too stupid to realize it. The only thing you've proven is that you have a fascination with dicks, pistol grips and America.

It was an argument, of which now most of you have finally conceded that grip does play a factor in how well a gun can be handled in combat situations.

It was dead before this thread ever was bumped. All we are doing now is lightly sparring back and forth.

 

[jlagman]

LOL ok...so you draw the line at submarines and nukes? LOL...have fun with that.

Pistol grips also allow you to keep your elbows tucked in tight, a stock grip is more comfortable with the elbow straight out...but thanks for proving my point just after you called me delusional.

lol...dumbass.

"you are delusion...blah blah blah...proves my point"

Sooooooo clumsy, if he had a pistol grip his elbows wouldn't be chicken wing...oh wait. Well he'd be able to crouch down...oh wait.

 

[jlagman]

Yes that grip still looks clumsy. Sorry. You could put a stock grip on a rocket launcher that still doesn't negate my point.

And yes 700 BILLION dollars and they've ALL decided that the pistol grip is best suited for combat.

But you keep showing me the fat guy with the slow aim pump out some rounds with his mini 14...which also should be illegal...if that makes ya feel better. We are talking about effectiveness of grip in combat.

You've lost already since every military on the planet seems to have sided with pistol grips.

Wanna post it again? I'll be here and watch it!

Why should it be illegal? It doesn't have a pistol grip. It's not even illegal in Canada, shit, it doesn't even have to be registered in Canada.

Casting a wide net again, without an understanding of how guns work. It doesn't even meet your misconceptions of combat design and you want to ban it too, one of the most popular coyote guns in North America?

 

[BVG]

Sooooooo clumsy, if he had a pistol grip his elbows wouldn't be chicken wing...oh wait. Well he'd be able to crouch down...oh wait.

It's not impossible to tuck in your elbow you clown, but it certainly isn't comfy doing it.