The All-Encompassing Vitamin D Thread

canadapride said:
Dam, I went to a store and they have liquid vitamin D, with a dropper. It was 10 bucks, but I forgot how much VD it came with. I'll have to go to the store and look again

Can someone start a thread on Vitamin K2? From the blogs I've been reading, it is also very valuable, and most people are deficient in it.

I'd like to know if there's a way to get cheap, available, and plentiful source of it.
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Ok, I think I got some stuff, some real good stuff. I found some ghee at my local indian market. It's Punjas, premium quality new zealand ghee, 100%pure. It's 750 ml for 8.99. It is freakin yellow, more yellow than my trader joes organic butter and any other ghee availible there. And yellow = rich is fat soluble vitamins.

Now, New Zealand is a place rich of vegetation and pastures, so I'm assuming all their beef is grass-fed. That place is freaking organic. This is what I found on google:

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New Zealanders try to satisfy Japanese market and lose valuable nutrients.

Japanese importers place a premium on beef with ultra-white fat, which is difficult for New Zealand ranchers to achieve because they fatten their cattle on pasture. (Grass is rich in the antioxidant vitamin beta-carotene, which lends a healthy, creamy color to meat fat.) In a recent experiment, New Zealand researchers experimented with taking cattle off pasture and fattening them American-style on grain. Because grain is more expensive in New Zealand than it is in the States, grain-feeding was limited to less than 2 months. The experiment failed. The fat color did not change appreciably, even though serum levels of beta-carotene dropped 97 percent. What's more, 1) the animals weighed less than animals that were allowed to stay on pasture, 2) their meat was tougher, and 3) the meat lost more moisture when cooked.
The scientists concluded that animals need to be fed grain for a longer period of time to use up all the beta-carotene stored in the fat. Also, longer grain-feeding is required to overcome the initial weight loss of cattle that are switched from pasture to a feedlot diet. The increased toughness was unexpected and without explanation.
("Short-term Grain Feeding and its Effect on Carcass and Meat Quality." Proceedings of the New Zealand Grasslands Association 1997. 57:275-277. )"


Nutritional Benefits of Grassfarming - Eat Wild


"Means cows are feed on grass only, 365 days of the year. Therefore no grain, artificial feed or meat & bone meal is feed to cows on New Zealand
 
canadapride said:
Ok, I think I got some stuff, some real good stuff. I found some ghee at my local indian market. It's Punjas, premium quality new zealand ghee, 100%pure. It's 750 ml for 8.99. It is freakin yellow, more yellow than my trader joes organic butter and any other ghee availible there. And yellow = rich is fat soluble vitamins.

Now, New Zealand is a place rich of vegetation and pastures, so I'm assuming all their beef is grass-fed. That place is freaking organic. This is what I found on google:

"
New Zealanders try to satisfy Japanese market and lose valuable nutrients.

Japanese importers place a premium on beef with ultra-white fat, which is difficult for New Zealand ranchers to achieve because they fatten their cattle on pasture. (Grass is rich in the antioxidant vitamin beta-carotene, which lends a healthy, creamy color to meat fat.) In a recent experiment, New Zealand researchers experimented with taking cattle off pasture and fattening them American-style on grain. Because grain is more expensive in New Zealand than it is in the States, grain-feeding was limited to less than 2 months. The experiment failed. The fat color did not change appreciably, even though serum levels of beta-carotene dropped 97 percent. What's more, 1) the animals weighed less than animals that were allowed to stay on pasture, 2) their meat was tougher, and 3) the meat lost more moisture when cooked.
The scientists concluded that animals need to be fed grain for a longer period of time to use up all the beta-carotene stored in the fat. Also, longer grain-feeding is required to overcome the initial weight loss of cattle that are switched from pasture to a feedlot diet. The increased toughness was unexpected and without explanation.
("Short-term Grain Feeding and its Effect on Carcass and Meat Quality." Proceedings of the New Zealand Grasslands Association 1997. 57:275-277. )"


Nutritional Benefits of Grassfarming - Eat Wild


"Means cows are feed on grass only, 365 days of the year. Therefore no grain, artificial feed or meat & bone meal is feed to cows on New Zealand
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Ok, I just realized that my ghee is in a plastic container, when glass is recommended. I'm assuming that they had to heat the ghee to a relatively high temperature to get it the bottle. Uh oh.

Looked on the bottle, the plastic is #1 PET. From a google search:

"#1 is Polyethylene Terephthalate, also marked as PET or PETE. Companies normally use this plastic for various beverage containers such as water, soft drinks, and sport drinks. You can also find this plastic for ketchup, peanut butter, salad dressings, jellies, and various other condiments. This plastic is known as one of the "good" plastics since it is not known to leach, or gradually penetrate, chemicals into the products it houses.
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That's some reassurance, although I would highly prefer a glass bottle.

How Safe is Your Plastic Container? - Associated Content

WTF did they put it in a ketchup type bottle??? I might have to heat it in the showever and pour it out into another container.

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It's on the far right. I mean, the stuff is like jelly, you're supposed to put a knife and scoop it out. But dam, look how yellow it is.

I found the website of the company that makes this stuff:
Punjas

On my google adventures, I found this site which compares ghees.
Ghee Comparison Table | Free Radical
They talk about 'activator x' and they note how yellow a ghee is. Vedic should get a kick out of this since they mention Vedic hella times. I still don't know wtf a 'Vedic' is.

Here is a study where ghee lowers serum cholesterol levels in rats
Hypocholesterolemic effect of anhydrous milk fat g...[J Nutr Biochem. 2000] - PubMed Result
 
MikeMartial said:
Lately, 10,00, but we're talking Alberta winters here. :icon_chee As per the pictured post, I now have a 25(OH)D test kit, so once I get the results of that, I'll be able to know how well the supplementation is doing, and either increase, maintain, or decrease based on that, and subsequent tests@6 mo. I'm aiming for 70ng/mL.
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Cool, be sure to post your results Mike, it'll be interesting to see the results.
 
Interesting article:

Vitamin D Deficiency Suffered By 1 In 7 U.S. Teens

"The study employs a new definition of vitamin D deficiency recommended by a group of scientists attending the 13th Workshop Consensus for Vitamin D Nutritional Guidelines in 2007. These experts collectively proposed that the minimum acceptable serum vitamin D level be raised from 11 nanograms per milliliter (ng/mL) to at least 20 ng/mL."

Dr. Cannell recommends 50
 
MikeMartial said:
Some links for further reading on Vitamin D:

Just How Important Is Vitamin D? | Modern Forager
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From this link:
  • Ages 19-50: 200 International Units (IU)
  • Ages 51-69: 400 IU
  • Age 70 and older: 600 IU
The above values are recommended. However, in this thread, as high as 4000IU per day has been recommended. Please advise regarding the huge difference in recommended dosages.

Thank you.
 
mschatz said:
From this link:
  • Ages 19-50: 200 International Units (IU)
  • Ages 51-69: 400 IU
  • Age 70 and older: 600 IU
The above values are recommended. However, in this thread, as high as 4000IU per day has been recommended. Please advise regarding the huge difference in recommended dosages.

Thank you.
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Purely outdated recommendations, and said recommendations set before the routine testing of 25(OH)D. if you check the link again, there's an edit right under those recommendations quoting Dr. Davis.
 
MikeMartial said:
Purely outdated recommendations, and said recommendations set before the routine testing of 25(OH)D. if you check the link again, there's an edit right under those recommendations quoting Dr. Davis.
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Exactly. If 30 mins with full body exposure to the sun can synthesize ~20,000IU of Vit D, I seriously doubt 400IU would do squat. Just imagine how much vitamin D we would have been exposed to during evolution.
 
I bought 180 gel caps of D3 (as cholecalciferol) for about $7. Each cap has 1000IU. Should I start immediately with 5 of these a day or work up to that?
 
mschatz said:
I bought 180 gel caps of D3 (as cholecalciferol) for about $7. Each cap has 1000IU. Should I start immediately with 5 of these a day or work up to that?
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I believe when they treat deficiency they start high and then lower doses for maintenance. The body stores Vit D so it doesn't necessarily have to be replenished frequently and also means that you can take a lot initially to fill the stores up if you are low.

So, if you want to take 5,000IU you don't have to build up to it. Take it now. You can probably drop down to 1,000-3,000IU a day after a few weeks but that depends on your current status, how much sun exposure you get, and to a lesser extent how much fish you eat. Apparently, genetic factors such as age, gender, and skin tone also play a roll in how much you can synthesize from the sun so without getting tested it's probably a crap shoot. Most likely, if you don
 
Vitamin D supplementation during Antarctic winter

Scott M Smith1,2,3, Keri K Gardner1,2,3, James Locke1,2,3 and Sara R Zwart1,2,3 [SIZE=-1]1 From the Space Life Sciences Directorate, National Aeronautics and Space Administration Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX (SMS and JL); the UCLA School of Medicine and VA Greater Los Angeles Health Care System, Los Angeles, CA (KKG); and the Universities Space Research Association, Houston, TX (SRZ). [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]2 Supported by the NASA Human Research Program and made possible by the National Science Foundation. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]3 Address reprint requests and correspondence to SM Smith, NASA Johnson Space Center, Mail Code SK3, 2101 NASA Parkway, Houston, TX 77058. E-mail: [email protected]. [/SIZE]

Background: Persons with limited exposure to ultraviolet B light, including space travelers, may not receive enough vitamin D. Recent studies indicate that optimal serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] should be
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80 nmol/L.
Objective: This study was designed to evaluate the effectiveness of 3 doses of vitamin D to raise and maintain 25(OH)D to a concentration >80 nmol/L in persons with limited ultraviolet B light exposure.
Design: This was a 5-mo, prospective, randomized, double-blind study of vitamin D supplementation. It was conducted during winter in Antarctica at the McMurdo Station, when ultraviolet B radiation levels are essentially zero. The 55 subjects were randomly divided into 3 groups for vitamin D supplementation: 2000 IU/d (n = 18), 1000 IU/d (n = 19), and 400 IU/d (n = 18). An additional 7 subjects did not take supplements or took supplements of their own choosing. Blood samples were collected about every 2 mo during the winter.
Results: About 5 mo after supplementation started, 25(OH)D increased to 71
 
Vedic said:
13. Why the elderly are so much more likely to die from heart attacks in the winter rather than in the summer


Discuss
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I've seen some pretty solid information that makes it seem as though the main cause of old people suffering heart attacks in the winter, in cold climates, is the contracting of veins, making blood clots etc.

vitamin d ftw though.
 
ss4vegeta1 said:
MikeMartial noticing a differance with Mercola's Vit D?
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Yeah it fucking blows. It's like a mouthwash spritzer. Not cool at all. Maybe it takes some getting used to, but the DDrops are totally tasteless, so after I'm done with the Mercola Mouthwash D Spray, I'm going back to DDrops.
 
Why in the hell would you make a vitamin d "breathe spritzer" instead of drops or something?
 
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