The addiction/depression thread.

I hope it works out well for you man! I truely do. Be safe.

Cheers mate, same to you. I've just been through the worst of it so I know exactly what you're experiencing. If you need help with a drink diary or anything like that or just some support, you can shoot me a pm and I'll reply if I'm around.
 
The DTs are a recent thing with me. Had heavy withdrawal but not like that. They scare the shit out of me. Slapped myself in the face cos I thought there was some sort of bug(s).

As you know, don't stop too quickly. But you know that anyway. I was getting full on DTs 6 hours after my last drink not long ago. Watching the clock waiting for the off license to open (10am - bastard oliticians). I've had 12 units today tho and I feel confident of getting some fractured sleep.

You've at least got vitamin b (thiamin) tablets though?

I'm not taking anything right now. Mostly just gatorade or poweraid or whatever. I think, like you mentioned, the lack of sleep is the worst. I literally can only sleep if I drink enough to pass out. Though it isn't real sleep. And if I don't drink I lay there wide awake or have nightmares.

What do you call a unit btw? 1 drink? As in like 1 shot? Is 12 way lower than your "normal"? I wish you luck in cutting down and getting off the drink.
 
I'm not taking anything right now. Mostly just gatorade or poweraid or whatever. I think, like you mentioned, the lack of sleep is the worst. I literally can only sleep if I drink enough to pass out. Though it isn't real sleep. And if I don't drink I lay there wide awake or have nightmares.

What do you call a unit btw? 1 drink? As in like 1 shot? Is 12 way lower than your "normal"? I wish you luck in cutting down and getting off the drink.
How old are you? I'm middle-aged and I've had luck falling asleep using melatonin and with exercise. Sometimes I just take a couple shots of Scotch, but I'm trying to get away from that.
 
How old are you? I'm middle-aged and I've had luck falling asleep using melatonin and with exercise. Sometimes I just take a couple shots of Scotch, but I'm trying to get away from that.

I'm 40. At this rate I won't make 50...heh. But I'm tryin'. I should use melatonin. I heard ZMA is also really good for sleeping and recovery. Also I live in California. Come January 1 I can buy weed at the store and it won't be illegal:) - I think that's a healthier habit than booze.
 
I'm not taking anything right now. Mostly just gatorade or poweraid or whatever. I think, like you mentioned, the lack of sleep is the worst. I literally can only sleep if I drink enough to pass out. Though it isn't real sleep. And if I don't drink I lay there wide awake or have nightmares.

What do you call a unit btw? 1 drink? As in like 1 shot? Is 12 way lower than your "normal"? I wish you luck in cutting down and getting off the drink.

Ah uk measurements;

"One alcohol unit is measured as 10ml or 8g of pure alcohol. This equals one 25ml single measure of whisky (ABV 40%), or a third of a pint of beer (ABV 5-6%) or half a standard (175ml) glass of red wine (ABV 12%)."

Yeh, sleep was the worst. Once it sucks you back in- Can't sleep without passing out and inevitably wake up 2-5 hours later feeling like shit. Then the shakes/sweats start...Total bedlam. But you need that sleep, you know you need that shitty 3 hours sleep, or it'll get worse. It's horrible.
 
Ah uk measurements;

One alcohol unit is measured as 10ml or 8g of pure alcohol. This equals one 25ml single measure of whisky (ABV 40%), or a third of a pint of beer (ABV 5-6%) or half a standard (175ml) glass of red wine (ABV 12%). Find out more about alcohol units and measures.

Yeh, sleep was the worst. Once it sucks you back in- Can't sleep without passing out and inevitably wake up 2-5 hours later feeling like shit. Then the shakes/sweats start...Total bedlam. But you need that sleep, you know you need that shitty 3 hours sleep, or it'll get worse. It's horrible.

Ahhh, so in the US a shot is 1.5oz. So maybe 45ml. If you are down to 12 units that's pretty good man! I applaud you.

And ya....the whole waking up after a few hours is the worst. Did you taper down gradually? Did you just decide to start cutting it out?
 
for my fellow depressives here,this is something my therapist showed me.i get it really bad sometimes,drink and drugs feature heavily,it also doesn't help having a diagnosis of ptsd,because i end up putting myself in very bad situations and not caring what happens to me. but have a watch,and i hope it helps some of you.
 
Ahhh, so in the US a shot is 1.5oz. So maybe 45ml. If you are down to 12 units that's pretty good man! I applaud you.

And ya....the whole waking up after a few hours is the worst. Did you taper down gradually? Did you just decide to start cutting it out?

Gradually man lol. I had a couple of seizures in bed and bit my tongue really bad. I'm pretty sure I tapered too fast. My doctor didn't give a shit so I just had to go by rough estimates and various advice, didn't know which was reliable- the advice all contracticted each other. If I'd stopped outright I would've been dead within 48 hours if nobody found me.
 
I had addictions, I never had clinical depression but I was sad as fuck and hurting all the time

Until my senior year of high school, I was a star athlete, all AP classes, beautiful girlfriend... I was a golden boy. But after my dad died when I was in high school, I would cry all the time, and then smoke weed to forget and be happy. I became dependent on it, and began hunging out with potheads. I moved to harder stuff, the college I had a scholarship to dropped the wrestling team... I started selling drugs to pay for my habits... and then it just spiraled out of control. I ended up living half the time on the floor of a dorm room of a college I didnt go to, and the other half the time sleeping on a recliner chair in my friends living room. I was a worthless piece of shit, and I fucking knew it.

My girlfriend broke up with me and told me its because I was a loser who was going nowhere in life. It hurt bad as fuck because I knew she was right. I wanted to argue with her, but she was right. I wanted to scream in her face about how I graduated with a 4.5 GPA and got over 2100 on the SAT without studying, but that was years before and I was a fucking loser by then.

The fact that I had to actually face the fact that I was worthless, and it wasn't just a minor setback from my otherwise successful trajectory. I was embarrassed to see my family, I was embarrassed to see my friends. I wished I could just disappear so that I wouldnt have to be embarrassed. I didn't even want to kill myself because it would just be more embarrassing and shameful to my family.

Then one day I decided to stop feeling sad, and started feeling angry and competitive again. Instead of wishing I was like everyone else, I decided to think "how dare these motherfuckers try to do better than me". I went from training part time MMA to full time, I started getting As in college, I got a job in a restaurant and moved up to manager. I just wanted to fucking show everyone who thought as low of me as I previously did. I never wanted to be in that place where someone could call me a loser and be right.

My life is pretty great now tbqh, I'm not motivated by the same reasons, but once you build momentum, its a lot easier to continue with it
 
Haven't posted here in a while. Thought some support would be nice and there are some members here who have really helped me out in the past. I don't even know who's around these days but this seems like an appropriate thread to post in for my 'return' to mayberry.

I've fallen back into drinking until I black out every night again since the collapse of the best relationship I ever had with the most amazing woman I've ever met. We're still so in love with each other and had both been fighting so hard to make it work and wanted it so badly but we just couldn't seem to figure it out. She's a recovering addict herself with some severe mental health issues and I had fallen madly in love with both her and the idea of spending the rest of my life taking care of her since she wasn't able to support herself. I felt like I had found purpose through that for the first time in my life.

I know this was a mistake to let happen but I invested so much in the relationship and this vision of a future with her and now with her gone I find myself feeling like there's no point to going to work, trying to make a living, owning a house and all the other responsibilities that come with a normal life if I'm not doing it for her. Living life only for myself just feels pointless and selfish now. I've been through difficult breakups before and it's always been a hard thing for me to deal with but in the past I always used them to motivate me to self-improvement and every time I came out better afterwards. But I'm falling apart this time and I think it's related to this feeling of finally experiencing real purpose and meaning in my life and then losing it.

I had been trying to sell my house and move before I met her because I just really felt I didn't belong where I'm at and knew there were other places in the country that are more conducive to the kind of life I wanted to live. Plus I was tired of taking care of a big house all by myself and really didn't feel like there were any good reasons for me to stay and a lot of reasons to leave. Everything changed when I met her. I decided what I truly wanted was to invite her to live with me in my house and spend the rest of my life with her. Now that that dream is gone I want to move again but my house isn't worth what it was when I bought it and I'd have to come up with some cash of my own to pay off my mortgage (which I don't really have). I'm almost at the point where I'm ready to say fuck it and just pack my shit and walk away.

I can see the depression coming. It's something that runs in my family that I've struggled with most of my life. I'm becoming more and more withdrawn, unmotivated, antisocial, etc. I've been here before and I know all the things I should be doing to prevent it from getting any worse but I'm not motivated to do any of them. I smoke a bunch of weed every morning to ease the hangover, drag myself into work where I go outside and chain smoke every hour, can't focus on anything and have to put on a smile and pretend everything's fine. Then sometimes I'll drag myself to the gym for an hour after work then go home and either go out to the bar by myself or just drink at home. Then I wake up and go through the motions all over again. I can't find enjoyment in anything any more.

Thanks to anyone who actually read all that shit.

i feel.you bro
mine is a diff ovearall situation but yeah, i can tell drinking is messing up my will to train. im losing interest in other social activities, but i dont give a shit about those anyway.
so i found myself thinking why dont do it, drink some, feel better, and fuck it all.

good luck on your life man
 
Another long one, but this'll be the last one since I don't want to talk you and everybody else to death with nonstop 1 million word posts like I usually do 'round here.

That's really what's going on when you're taking drugs. A lot of people look down on addicts as if they're bad people simply because they use drugs but they need to understand what's happening in the brain when someone takes something and why it's so addictive. Certain drugs actually release like 10x more dopamine than sex does, so it's understandable why people get addicted to that high. Once the tolerance goes up, for many addicts it becomes a hunt for the high they used to get when they first started taking what ever they got hooked on and after awhile that becomes difficult for some.

It's also why some people overdose. They were chasing that amazing high they used to get and end up overdoing it accidentally. It annoys me when people look down on all addicts as if they're all bad people but they're not. There's tons of addicts that are real pieces of shit and deserve all the backlash they get for stealing from family, friends, robbing pharmacies or other stores for money to buy drugs, etc. Not all of us are like that, though. There's some people you'd never know are addicts unless they told you. Some are functioning addicts that have families and do just fine in life overall, and some aren't really functioning addicts but they don't steal from their friends and family or rob pharmacies/stores and such.

A lot of things are changing now for addicts where treatment is finally becoming more accessible. Addicts aren't being demonized as much anymore and seen as people with an illness that need help. It's exactly what they need. Before this, like I said, almost all addicts were seen as bad people and left on their own. Treatment wasn't as easily available, they were basically fucked. Today, addicts are finally getting treated right like any person should be treated both as a human being and someone that just needs help for their issue(s). Unfortunately, some addicts are being tossed in prison because we live in a punishment society instead of a rehabilitation society, if that makes sense.

Punishing addicts doesn't help, it often makes shit worse. It's usually easier to get drugs in prison than it is on the street ffs. Addicts shouldn't be punished (unless they're a criminal, robbing people n shit), but given help. Not all addicts want help though 'cause they can't admit they have an issue or they're just not ready to stop. Not being ready to stop is something all addicts go through, I've been through it myself. We all want to live normal lives, we don't want to be on drugs forever, we all want to stop but wanting to stop and being ready to stop are two very different things. When it comes to drug addiction, there's so much to it that most people can't even begin to understand.

There's so many factors to it and sometimes words can't really explain it, instead, sometimes, it's one of those things one must experience for themselves in order to really understand what hardcore addicts go through every day for sometimes years and years. It's not an enjoyable lifestyle. No addict really enjoys the lifestyle. Most of us hate ourselves for having to rely on such things just to feel normal. That's what it usually comes down to for every addict after awhile. Like I said, at first it's about getting high, then it's about not getting sick and just getting by, just being able to feel normal and not like complete shit, bit of course they're still hunting that high they once had.

For me, I hate the withdrawal far more than I ever loved the high. I hate being addicted to opiates, but I'm not going to lie and say I don't enjoy the high because I do enjoy it very much. I don't like saying that because I know it makes me looo bad, but it's true. Drugs make you feel good, especially opiates. I really wish I just stuck to weed. My life wouldn't be so fucked if I never took any of these pills. I wish I only took it twice like you did with coke and never went back. I had my reasons at the time when I started self-medicating though, it wasn't for fun, it was to get my mind off of something and it worked at the time.

Then it created something so much worse - an addiction that is still plaguing me 6 1/2 years later (reason I started is 'cause my gf or 2 years broke up with me n fucked some guy my gf before her had cheated on me with, that's why I went to drugs, I only take opiates and been on it for about 6 1/2 years as I said, but I used to be worse 'cause I used to mix it with coke, liquor and tons of weed everyday for about a year, so when I talk about abusing my body..)

I guess I'll cut it off here. I could say so much more but I have to stop myself, lol. Another classic That209 post.

/rant


Oh Snap, did not know it was you till you told me who you were.

Thats fucked up that having your heartbroken would lead you to drugs dude. But I find it admirable that you take your time to put your life out there to help others out and see that doing drugs will lead you know where but living in hell. Just dont let others use the good you have with your intentions against you since you are putting yourself out. Hope things workout for you and your able to overcome it. Remember dude, Family before hoes, so if you have family that love you look for them.
 
Ya you cant have both. Thats why I never cared about money, rather feel good. You cant take money with you when u die so fuck it.

That's sort of been my self destructive motto. Live a life worth living.
$1200 a G for coke in my neck of the woods only rich people can afford to get addicted.

Ice is a major problem around here heaps of my construction guys are on the pipe.

Jeeesus, it's $60 a gram around here.
 
Sent my CV off a few times to see what happened. Despite a long absence, my CV is still pretty good. I took an interview for a part time position this morning. I'm in no fit state to work in any capacity but with a bit of luck I could blag my way through an interview and say I'll be ready to start work in a week- loose ends to tie up or some shit. fingers crossed. Not worked for a couple of years now. Chose a weird time to throw myself back into it lol

Fake it til you make it, I guess.

<mma4> That's what I'll be doing.
 
That's sort of been my self destructive motto. Live a life worth living.


Jeeesus, it's $60 a gram around here.
Yeah when I was in the states I had some good runs and at $50 a G in Texas why not haha.
In Thailand (actually it was right up past Chiang Rai right were Laos Burma and Thailand intersect) I have had weed that wrecked me worse than special-K

I have 3 sons now so my drug days are over being all responsible is boring sometime but my kids give me a different type of rush.
 
Gradually man lol. I had a couple of seizures in bed and bit my tongue really bad. I'm pretty sure I tapered too fast. My doctor didn't give a shit so I just had to go by rough estimates and various advice, didn't know which was reliable- the advice all contracticted each other. If I'd stopped outright I would've been dead within 48 hours if nobody found me.

I'm trying to decide if I want to talk to my doctor or not. I heard they can put stuff on your permanent record and then insurance companies can deny coverage or raise life insurances rates and stuff. I want to try on my own with the taper but I also don't want to die....heh. The shakes and sweating and nausea are terrible. I'm wondering if i can just get some benzos or something prescribed. Ugh. It's a shitty place to be in knowing that drinking is killing you but that stopping drinking can kill you too.,
 
I'm trying to decide if I want to talk to my doctor or not. I heard they can put stuff on your permanent record and then insurance companies can deny coverage or raise life insurances rates and stuff. I want to try on my own with the taper but I also don't want to die....heh. The shakes and sweating and nausea are terrible. I'm wondering if i can just get some benzos or something prescribed. Ugh. It's a shitty place to be in knowing that drinking is killing you but that stopping drinking can kill you too.,

It's a lot better on the other side when you do get out of it. I'm still feeling shit but WAY better than I was a few days ago. I would 100% go and see a doctor and be honest. If you don't want benzos on your permanent record (I'd just bite the bullet if they're wiling to prescribe) they can give you Thiamin (vitamin B) and even some anti-sickness pills (they don't do much but they help). These medications are prescribed for a variety of different reasons, they make things easier.
 
It's a lot better on the other side when you do get out of it. I'm still feeling shit but WAY better than I was a few days ago. I would 100% go and see a doctor and be honest. If you don't want benzos on your permanent record (I'd just bite the bullet if they're wiling to prescribe) they can give you Thiamin (vitamin B) and even some anti-sickness pills (they don't do much but they help). These medications are prescribed for a variety of different reasons, they make things easier.

Thanks man, I appreciate the feedback. I've had slight withdrawal symptoms before but today was terrible. I was on like a 5-6 day bender. I literally thought I was going to die this morning. I've had to take small sips of alcohol otherwise I shake uncomtrollably. See....it's hard to type actually ..heh.
Best of luck you to you man! I hope we can share success stories at some point in this thread down the road :)
 
I just have this craving i want to get loaded on something heavy just one more time to take away this frustration and rage. I just want to escape from reality one more time. Going to be hard to fight these urges.
 
I just have this craving i want to get loaded on something heavy just one more time to take away this frustration and rage. I just want to escape from reality one more time. Going to be hard to fight these urges.

Stay strong bother! I'm sure we all know the reality is that getting blasted drunk doesn't actually take away anything pain. It just temporarily numbs it and then it comes back even stronger plus a load of guilt comes along with it.

I can't wait until I can buy weed easily/legally here in Cali :) - I'm trading the bottle for a little CBD ;) - I know it's still an "escape" so to speak. But taking a 1 hitter is a HELL of a lot more healthy than downing 12oz of vodka.
 
Stay strong bother! I'm sure we all know the reality is that getting blasted drunk doesn't actually take away anything pain. It just temporarily numbs it and then it comes back even stronger plus a load of guilt comes along with it.

I can't wait until I can buy weed easily/legally here in Cali :) - I'm trading the bottle for a little CBD ;) - I know it's still an "escape" so to speak. But taking a 1 hitter is a HELL of a lot more healthy than downing 12oz of vodka.

Ya thankfully I'm pretty good at controlling my urges. If i ever feel super down or angry i also smoke weed. Not as much as before, but it helps so much. I like to keep my tolerance low though to not make it a crazy habit like before. It's actually not drinking i love its pills . pills are what i really love and miss that euphoric feel from pain killers and xanax. It's just a temporary relief and not worth it.
 
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