Thats a K.O slam

[Big Tuppy Hole]

He absolutely smashed his head off the mat...the head impact was secondary and not as hard as the floor impact... .

He also went limp almost immediately after hitting the floor which makes the elbows even worse

Also if you can't control your head and stop it from bouncing into the other person, that's your problem

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Defined cushioned mats lol.

Anyone whos wrestled or grappled knows theres like an inch of padding ..its not a whole lot and u can absolutely get rocked or K.Oed from takedowns...just falling wrong or missing a break fall and ur in trouble...

People downplaying the slam impact is strange to me...he was thrown onto his head with no brace for impact...with another persons momentum added onto it ...

Speaking from experience ( Japanese Jiu-Jitsu/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu training,MMA training and Muay thai Training) ...you can absolutely be koed like this

My point was its alot thicker than it was. People used to get KO slams much more frequently on the old mats which were thin as hell.

You can certainly get hurt on the current mats, but from observation it's fucking rare to get KOs on the new ones.

I once faced a junior Olympic judo blackbelt, in a white belt bjj tournament, I'm aware how the mats feel.

 

[Achilles00]

Those elbows are vicious. Why on earth did the ref let so many of them land, after it was clear dude was out?

 

[Pequeño Corey]

 

[MillingMeSoftly]

People don't get KO'd from their head hitting the mat

can anyone provide an example of somebody getting slammed to the ground and KO'd from their head hitting the mat?

I know there's tons of examples of a head clash knocking people out....

I've been watching this shit for years and I can't think of one example of somebody hitting their head on the mat and getting knocked out

 

[AmonTobin]

I have no problem with the slam. If a fighter is taken off his feet, there's nothing stopping him from intelligently defending himself.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

A new contestant has entered the fray -

Look at the slamee's right ear - it doesn't flap, as if a reaction to force, until the slammer's head hits. At least at this speed. It's on giphy and I can't download it and open it in my gif program to slow it down. I might try a different technique.

Edit-- I just did a screencap, then watched it slowly, and I think I was initially wrong in my post above, because t does look like the ear flaps as a result of the slam, but it's too hard to tell if it also flaps as a result of the clash. I'm noting all of this because it the flap was much stronger as a result of the mat versus the head, then I think we could assume that the stronger flap causer was the KO's proximate cause.

If Ear Flapping causes KO's then this guy is the next Great MMA star

Ear flapping isn't a great measure of concussive force. Some ears are more rigid while some are like a hot pizza pocket a la James Thompson. A better metric would be what % of KO's happen when a guy hits his head on the mat when taken down in a body lock with out a clash of heads. Its impossible to know if the KO happens in the milli second between the mat and the clash of heads. It is % reasonable to conclude the clash of heads induced the stoppage. It was accidental/incidental so going to the cards works. I wonder how it would be possible for the guy who got KO'd to have the round scored in his favour and why that round gets scored.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

I guess video refereeing has changed a lot of sports. In football (soccer) they have been extremely reluctant to use it until very recently. That's how Maradona's Hand of God could happen, and some people argued that having fallible refereeing was essential to the sport. Sometimes it was in your favor, sometimes not ; one of the problems being it was obviously easier to buy a ref.
But when you see offsides getting called for like 2 inches, it's kinda stupid, the spirit of the rule was just : "do not stay in the penalty area the whole game, it sucks".

As for MMA, that's the same thing : the audience cares a lot less about the rules when something really spectacular happens, and often feels like video refereeing is ruining those moments ; in the end, I guess it brings more fairness, at the expense of, in some case, entertainment.

Edit : and yeah those elbows were nasty. The slam, then the headbutt, then the elbows, the guy's gonna have a week-long headache

Well said sir

 

[SeattleFightFan]

People don't get KO'd from their head hitting the mat

can anyone provide an example of somebody getting slammed to the ground and KO'd from their head hitting the mat?

I know there's tons of examples of a head clash knocking people out....

I've been watching this shit for years and I can't think of one example of somebody hitting their head on the mat and getting knocked out

inarguably (is that a word?) no head clash here



But as others have said, the mat has changed since then.

 

[MEAN357]

Literally a headbutt and suplex KO at the same time

 

[Robbocop]

When I watched it, I did think it was an illegal move. But that being said, I think that move ought to be legal in the UFC, and I generally think headbutts ought to be an allowable technique.

 

[Sasha]

Ear flapping isn't a great measure of concussive force.

That's what I ALWAYS tell everyone !

 

[MEAN357]

When I watched it, I did think it was an illegal move. But that being said, I think that move ought to be legal in the UFC, and I generally think headbutts ought to be an allowable technique.

Meh idk its such a "low skill" technique that will IMMEDIATELY change the dynamic of a fight. I'll watch Letwei if I wanna see people just shattering noses and performing non-surgical tooth extractions in a fight lmao

I can just see big fights immediately going down the shitter with a random headbutt. It would make a lot of grappling redundant and the clinch game would become a game winning strategy (all of which might be better tbh...lol)

That being said I'm all for 12-6 and knees to a grounded opponent etc. Headbutts might be a bridge too far for me.

 

[lweiberg]

If Ear Flapping causes KO's then this guy is the next Great MMA star

Ear flapping isn't a great measure of concussive force. Some ears are more rigid while some are like a hot pizza pocket a la James Thompson.

I acknowledge variability in ear flappability and that not all ears, in terms of flappability, are created equally.

But in this specific case, I am focusing on a specific ear and how much that ear flaps 1) as a result of the head hitting the mat, compared to 2) how much it flaps when the heads touch.

Would you agree that if the ear flaps much more in response to one of the two things above (slam versus heads touching), then it's more likely that the greater flapping would indicate greater force?

 

[lweiberg]

People don't get KO'd from their head hitting the mat

can anyone provide an example of somebody getting slammed to the ground and KO'd from their head hitting the mat?

Gray Maynard getting self-KO'd from a slam -

From wikipedia -

As part of The Ultimate Fighter 5 Finale preliminary Card on June 23, 2007, Maynard fought Rob Emerson in a controversial Lightweight fight. Maynard seemed to be in control of the fight in round one. During the second round he picked up Emerson and slammed him to the mat. Emerson immediately tapped out because of an injury to his ribs. The referee believed that Maynard also could not continue because he seemed to have hit his head on the mat and knocked himself out due to the force of his own slam. Since both fighters could not continue he ruled it a "No Contest". UFC President Dana White commented, "I know one thing, that Maynard was out cold". Maynard did not agree, and cited the cage-side doctors, who, after testing Maynard, found he had suffered no concussion during the bout.

 

[Sasha]

I acknowledge variability in ear flappability

If only everyone was like you. I had a dream, a world where flappability variance was not only acknowledged, but deeply rooted in our culture, a world without segregation of concussive forces, between flappy and non-flappy blunty forces

 

[dipstickjimmy]

I acknowledge variability in ear flappability and that not all ears, in terms of flappability, are created equally.

But in this specific case, I am focusing on a specific ear and how much that ear flaps 1) as a result of the head hitting the mat, compared to 2) how much it flaps when the heads touch.

Would you agree that if the ear flaps much more in response to one of the two things above (slam versus heads touching), then it's more likely that the greater flapping would indicate greater force?

No I think it is a terrible choice to gauge the concussive force. But I am not a ear flap scientist.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

inarguably (is that a word?) no head clash here



But as others have said, the mat has changed since then.

Inarguably is correct. And there is no head clash there, but I think that's Shamrocks shoulder coming down on the guys chin, so the overall point of slams usually needing more than just hitting the ground still kinda holds. Though, of course, slams clearly can just knock people out, but just more about how they land

 

[Sean_wongster_wongmastter]

The legal technique caused the heads to impact over momentum... it's incidental but its still a K.O...

Its like what if your opponent is running at you and u punch him and his head clashes with yours on the way down...is it not a K.O then? ... sometimes shit is uncontrollable but you gotta look at how they got there and it was from a real legal technique...heads are gunna connect on takedowns cuz ur grappling and throwing...

With this decision they've just effectively called into question many previous slam K.Os...stupid move

What if fighters just start trying to headbutt by forcing the head into the head as they are hitting the matt?

 

[Paolo Delutis]

People don't get KO'd from their head hitting the mat

can anyone provide an example of somebody getting slammed to the ground and KO'd from their head hitting the mat?

I know there's tons of examples of a head clash knocking people out....

I've been watching this shit for years and I can't think of one example of somebody hitting their head on the mat and getting knocked out

Matt Hughes "slamming " carlos newton...no head clash all impact..



Levitts k.o last year or two years ago iirc from guard...


There's plenty in Judo competition...