Thats a K.O slam

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Got a video instead brother...slam K.O

I agree that's a perfect slam

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Slam Ko's are great. Headbutt KO's not so much. If you just like to see KO's regardless of skill or not just watch stupid kids playing the KO game on youtube.

What a pissy reply, are you saying there was no skill involved in this slam

 

[lweiberg]

The whole thing reminds me of the heated debate on whether the head contact/collision/headbutt/clash here affected Gus -

As you might guess, each side of the debate thought the other side was a complete idiot.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

It looks like the impact of the head on the mat might have caused the KO, but the heads definitely touched -

I wonder if there is an official definition of "clash" and if this would meet the criteria.

He absolutely smashed his head off the mat...the head impact was secondary and not as hard as the floor impact... .

He also went limp almost immediately after hitting the floor which makes the elbows even worse

 

[lweiberg]

He absolutely smashed his head off the mat...the head impact was secondary and not as hard as the floor impact... .

He also went limp almost immediately after hitting the floor which makes the elbows even worse

With all this happening in 1/30th of a second, I'm not sure I can agree that his body went limp immediately after hitting the floor, because the head contact also happened about 1/30th of a second later. Not trying to argue or anything. I didn't even see this live. Heard it was a great event though

 

[HeffDoesWant]

He absolutely smashed his head off the mat...the head impact was secondary and not as hard as the floor impact... .

He also went limp almost immediately after hitting the floor which makes the elbows even worse

But heads are much harder than cushioned mats.

I think he was contemplating the implications of the head clash instead of saving him from the needless elbows.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

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Get over yourself my guy
Take the horseshoe outta your ass

OK Brawk! Go have a Coors Light and calm down.

 

[Titan1980]

I see it as well. The clash happened after he was slammed unconcious and was minimal. That was a poor decision.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

What a pissy reply, are you saying there was no skill involved in this slam

The Tito vs Evans slam is what is being addressed. There is skill in what Tito did. He skillfully used his head to KO Evans.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

He absolutely smashed his head off the mat...the head impact was secondary and not as hard as the floor impact... .

He also went limp almost immediately after hitting the floor which makes the elbows even worse

Hey Superman. There's only 1 or 2 FRAMES between hitting the ground and the head. So maybe for the rest of us mortals, we can't see it as "obviously" that the guy was knocked out by the slam and not the head clash. If it wasn't for your unnaturally powerful reflexes and perception, we would think you're full of shit. Now, my baby fell out the window, can you go please catch it?

The head collision caused the knock out. It was pretty obvious.

Out before the rebounding heads clashed.

He was out from the slam the headbutt was mild and massively after the fact. He was out because his head smashed the canvas

I see it as well. The clash happened after he was slammed unconcious and was minimal. That was a poor decision.

Oh shit, the whole fucking justice league is here

 

[Paolo Delutis]

But heads are much harder than cushioned mats.

I think he was contemplating the implications of the head clash instead of saving him from the needless elbows.

Defined cushioned mats lol.

Anyone whos wrestled or grappled knows theres like an inch of padding ..its not a whole lot and u can absolutely get rocked or K.Oed from takedowns...just falling wrong or missing a break fall and ur in trouble...

People downplaying the slam impact is strange to me...he was thrown onto his head with no brace for impact...with another persons momentum added onto it ...

Speaking from experience ( Japanese Jiu-Jitsu/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu training,MMA training and Muay thai Training) ...you can absolutely be koed like this

 

[lweiberg]

Defined cushioned mats lol.

Anyone whos wrestled or grappled knows theres like an inch of padding ..its not a whole lot and u can absolutely get rocked or K.Oed from takedowns...just falling wrong or missing a break fall and ur in trouble...

People downplaying the slam impact is strange to me...he was thrown onto his head with no brace for impact...with another persons momentum added onto it ...

Speaking from experience ( Japanese Jiu-Jitsu/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu training,MMA training and Muay thai Training) ...you can absolutely be koed like this

I haven't been on a folkstyle wrestling mat since the 90s, but back then, I think they were about two inches thick. I think I saw one being used in an AEW episode once when the top canvas got pulled off, and it looked about two inches. Not that the UFC would necessarily have the same mat.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I haven't been on a folkstyle wrestling mat since the 90s, but back then, I think they were about two inches thick. I think I saw one being used in an AEW episode once when the top canvas got pulled off, and it looked about two inches. Not that the UFC would necessarily have the same mat.

Heres an octagon manufacturer ..

https://www.stedyx.com/en/product/19-octagon-ufc-rules/


Its 3 cms thick or 1.1 inches..this is regulation correct MMA ring ...

 

[cade187]

There’s clear head to head contact, but it was still a weird call. I’d be more concerned about the call if Hernandez lost, but the right guy won. That’s all that matters.

 

[lweiberg]

Heres an octagon manufacturer ..

https://www.stedyx.com/en/product/19-octagon-ufc-rules/


Its 3 cms thick or 1.1 inches..this is regulation correct MMA ring ...

Thanks for checking!

A bit off topic, I'd like to see how the bottom of an octagon is constructed compared to a pro wrestling ring, which has more give.

 

[lweiberg]

A new contestant has entered the fray -

Look at the slamee's right ear - it doesn't flap, as if a reaction to force, until the slammer's head hits. At least at this speed. It's on giphy and I can't download it and open it in my gif program to slow it down. I might try a different technique.

Edit-- I just did a screencap, then watched it slowly, and I think I was initially wrong in my post above, because t does look like the ear flaps as a result of the slam, but it's too hard to tell if it also flaps as a result of the clash. I'm noting all of this because it the flap was much stronger as a result of the mat versus the head, then I think we could assume that the stronger flap causer was the KO's proximate cause.

 

[FreedomCricket]

Imo, the correct call should have been KO Slam.

Video evidence doesn't clearly show when he went unconscious or if it was the slam or head to head contact.

If video evidence does not allow you to clearly make the call, the original "call" from the in octagon ref should stand.

 

[lweiberg]

Imo, the correct call should have been KO Slam.

Video evidence doesn't clearly show when he went unconscious or if it was the slam or head to head contact.

If video evidence does not allow you to clearly make the call, the original "call" from the in octagon ref should stand.

Bring it to the UFC, Dana!

 

[Sasha]

I saw a double play the other day that got called back because instant replay showed the shortstop missed 2nd base.

10 years ago that would have NEVER been called. Anywhere close to the base was fine. I can only assume it was instant replay that changed the rule.

Same thing here. Rampage/Arona was a head clash, but all us old timers still consider it a slam KO. Same with Couture v Gonzaga (IIRC). Tonight's was little to no different than those and many others.

So the slam didn't change; how we perceive the slam it what changed.

But, rules evolve all the time. So, shrug.

Frankly I'm more disturbed with the ref allowing all those elbows after he was clearly not defending anymore.

I guess video refereeing has changed a lot of sports. In football (soccer) they have been extremely reluctant to use it until very recently. That's how Maradona's Hand of God could happen, and some people argued that having fallible refereeing was essential to the sport. Sometimes it was in your favor, sometimes not ; one of the problems being it was obviously easier to buy a ref.
But when you see offsides getting called for like 2 inches, it's kinda stupid, the spirit of the rule was just : "do not stay in the penalty area the whole game, it sucks".

As for MMA, that's the same thing : the audience cares a lot less about the rules when something really spectacular happens, and often feels like video refereeing is ruining those moments ; in the end, I guess it brings more fairness, at the expense of, in some case, entertainment.

Edit : and yeah those elbows were nasty. The slam, then the headbutt, then the elbows, the guy's gonna have a week-long headache

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

The Tito vs Evans slam is what is being addressed. There is skill in what Tito did. He skillfully used his head to KO Evans.

The biggest factor in the Tito/Tanner KO was that the was a hard spot on the canvas that several fighters had complained about prior to the event, Tito managed to drop Tanner directly on it. Couple that with Tito's head and Tanner was fucked.