That fight tells me how bad Ngannou would have murked Jones at HW

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Ngannou fought a stipe 4 years younger and knocked him out in 1.5 rounds and absolutely dominated him for start to finish, Jones fought a version of stipe that looked stiff as hell, hobbling around, and standing so upright he got taken down by a judo throw in the first minute. Jones' striking was suspicious to say the least, he threw a left hand and got offbalanced and turned his back to stipe, he got hit with a few uppercuts in close, in general the fight wasn't competitive but stipe even having slight moments and Jones' speed and plodiness on the feet makes it hard to believe he's doing anything to the version of Ngannou that fought stipe in 2021.
 
Kowboy On Sherdog said:
Why is Jones fighting the version of Ngannou that fought Stipe in 2021? Shouldn't they both be the 2024 version?
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true, but 2024 ngannou and 2021 ngannou are probably the same, ngannou even improved his boxing and wrestling in that time period according to his coach, but I was mostly trying to compare their respective performances against stipe
 
Hard to say.

Ngannou looked to have much improved defensive wrestling against Stipe 4 years ago. But that was 4 years ago. Since then he's done back to back boxing camps and faced 2 pure strikers in Gane and Ferreira.

Jon on the other hand would not have came into a fight with Francis at 237 pounds. He would have come in heavy like he did against Gane. He comes in lighter when he wants to strike, absolutely nobody thinks he would spend any time on the feet whatsoever against Francis.

However Jon coming in fat, slow and lethargic like he did against Gane would provide Francis with more opportunities to land something as Jon shuffles forward to close the distance.

It would be a totally different fight from the farce that happened last night and I'm not sure how anything takes anything from it that would suggest how a Francis fight would go
 
Sean Chowdhury said:
he had a severe knee injury and knees are crucial for wrestling, yet ngannou still outwrestled Gane in rounds 3,4,5 while gassed easily
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Damn Francis has every goddamn excuses in the book!!! What was the reason he got koed by Joshua in rd 2 though?

Let me tell you something as a former college wrestler. It's a myth that Francis' wrestling improve much. He just fought a war torn Stipe in 2021 just like how Jon just did last night. And Stipe was underweight, Ngannou had 30 pounds advantage on him lol.
 
Red Lantern said:
Jon would take Ngannou down easy lol. Francis can't really wrestle, he was very competitive against white belt Gane.
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I don't know about easy. Francis would have 20-25 pounds on Jon if Jon comes in at what he weighed in last night and Francis came in what he weighed during both Stipe fights or the Renan fight.
 
Meh. Frances has freak strength but meh technique everywhere. Maybe he could windmill in a bomb and take Jones out but I don't think so. I think he'd come in afraid to get taken down, get picked at with some kicks, and then get taken down anyway before being subbed or elbow smashed.
 
CatchtheseHands said:
I don't know about easy. Francis would have 20-25 pounds on Jon if Jon comes in at what he weighed in last night and Francis came in what he weighed during both Stipe fights or the Renan fight.
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The weight part is gonna be the one big challlenge definitely. But I think Jon's wrestling still tilt the grappling in favor of Jon.

It's just different grappling with a guy who has been doing it for years and years of experience compared to you. THe gap is that high.
 
Ngannou and Aspinall are real HW’s. The big boys. Captain Legacy does not want to fuck around with the real ones and I can’t say I blame him.
 
Red Lantern said:
The weight part is gonna be the one big challlenge definitely. But I think Jon's wrestling still tilt the grappling in favor of Jon.

It's just different grappling with a guy who has been doing it for years and years of experience compared to you. THe gap is that high.
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I don't doubt Jon could take down Francis, he would just have to be very crafty going about it.
 
Ngannou is very hard to take down by trying to overpower him like slim model-hair Stipe.

It woukd have to be a well timed trip or chaining something together off of striking.

Jones is great at that, but he is also old and slower now. Very dangerous fight but he would have to be the favorite. He just has many more ways to win this fight.
 
Red Lantern said:
Damn Francis has every goddamn excuses in the book!!! What was the reason he got koed by Joshua in rd 2 though?

Let me tell you something as a former college wrestler. It's a myth that Francis' wrestling improve much. He just fought a war torn Stipe in 2021 just like how Jon just did last night. And Stipe was underweight, Ngannou had 30 pounds advantage on him lol.
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Ngannou is a trash boxer compared to Joshua which is why he got smoked by him, but the Gane fight has a legitimate excuse, ngannou had to take 2 years to rehab for that knee so it's crazy that he beat the #1 contender with such a severe injury. No one else has won a title fight with an injury as severe as that off the top of my head
 
I’m one of the biggest Jones OUTSIDE of the cage haters. The guy is a massive scumbag. But as a fighter he’s the goat. And it’s hilarious how salty some of you are. You gotta be absolute noobs to not see how dominante the dude is.
 
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