Crime Texas: Two fat hillbillies kill a Father over garbage

[KaraHoward]

Just because someone asked.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

Kara... if you haven’t already, could you give us a rundown of how events unfolded following the actual shooting?

Is it true you and others were told to get down on the ground at gunpoint?

We all love to form opinions here based on out of context sound bytes but now we are in the rare and enviable position of having a primary source among us.

Further clarity would be appreciated.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

All I know is I dont want to hear "sniper from sherdog said..." coming up in any court case. So for that reason, I am out

Lmao classic Sherdog egocentrism.

I doubt we have much to worry about in the way of witness tampering or anything of that nature.

That being said I would probably be wise to let entertainment play second fiddle to legal prudence as well. Hahahahaha

 

[method115]

Kara... if you haven’t already, could you give us a rundown of how events unfolded following the actual shooting?

Is it true you and others were told to get down on the ground at gunpoint?

We all love to form opinions here based on out of context sound bytes but now we are in the rare and enviable position of having a primary source among us.

Further clarity would be appreciated.

She gave a full description of the events earlier in the thread not sure which post # though not to far back.

 

[KaraHoward]

She gave a full description of the events earlier in the thread not sure which post # though not to far back.

My first comment is on page 51.

 

[My2Cents]

I realize this thread has gone quiet now, but since I’ve just stumbled upon it today, perhaps I could help clear a few things up.

My husband Aaron, myself, his brother Justin and Justin’s 3 children all rode into the alley in our suburban that morning to clear off our storage trailer. The children waited inside the truck while we started to move stuff off the trailer into our backyard. Aaron saw the mattress sitting by our fence so he moved it back to the (community) dumpster. John Miller then comes out of his own backyard, grabs the mattress and throws it back on our property in front of Aaron. He yells for John to put it back so it gets hauled off and John says he’s “not putting shit back.” Aaron said something to the effect of “fuck you, put it back,” and that’s when John said “no, fuck you, I’m not doing it” and pulled the pistol out of his shorts and pointed it right at Aaron, who was standing in front of the truck with the kids inside. They argued for a few seconds before the son, Michael Miller, looked out their back gate, stepped back in the yard for less than 3 seconds and came out with the shotgun. So now he had 2 guns on him in plain view of his nieces and nephew, not to mention me and his brother.

Justin ran around to get his kids out of the truck and as he was taking them inside our house to safety, he was also on the phone with 911. I saw earlier in the thread someone mentioned no answer from them, but he did get through and they dispatched an officer our way. That’s exactly why I started recording in the first place because they knew we had called the police, and I was just praying they would get there and diffuse the situation before anyone got hurt. Obviously they didn’t arrive until it was too late.

It’s really easy to judge when you only know part of the story and to say who should have done what and when if it’s not you who is directly involved in it. That was the worst day of my life and every damn day I think about everything I maybe could or should have done differently, but even so, I would still have only been in control of my own actions. You can call us all the names you’d like, say we’re crazy, say he shouldn’t have been acting so enraged (even though the Millers knowingly wielded guns in front of the children) but crazy/psycho or not, stupid bitch or not, it still wouldn’t change the fact that the Millers brought the confrontation to us and not only murdered my husband, but endangered 3 children, and held Justin and I at gunpoint afterwards telling us they would kill us too if we even moved. I was holding Aaron in my arms, holding pressure on his head and chest wounds with my hands, with a pistol pointed at my head by John. And Justin was lying facedown in the alley while Michael had the shotgun pressed right on Justin’s forehead. They were still holding us like that when police finally arrived, yelled for them to drop their weapons and immediately arrested them.

After we gave our statements to the detectives, they told us the Millers both gave statements that closely matched ours, so they have all but confessed as well. They’re guilty of not just murder, but so many other charges that I’m hoping to see added soon.

Thank you for your story. Hope those rednecks get what they deserve.

And of course sorry for your loss

 

[Final Say]

the Millers are 100% responsible for it

uhhh..whet?

look i hate that this happened and dont have a full understanding of texas law, but no matter what the results of the trial are, how can you possibly say the millers are 100% responsible for it? i would have to say that is clearly false, based on the video. the dead man definitely was at least partly responsible for what happened that day. he could have made about one thousand better decisions and lived to tell about this.

 

[Limbo Pete]

 

[Gregolian]

Yup... yupyupyup

(Can't find a good Archer gif for this response)

 

[helltoupee]

I realize this thread has gone quiet now, but since I’ve just stumbled upon it today, perhaps I could help clear a few things up.

My husband Aaron, myself, his brother Justin and Justin’s 3 children all rode into the alley in our suburban that morning to clear off our storage trailer. The children waited inside the truck while we started to move stuff off the trailer into our backyard. Aaron saw the mattress sitting by our fence so he moved it back to the (community) dumpster. John Miller then comes out of his own backyard, grabs the mattress and throws it back on our property in front of Aaron. He yells for John to put it back so it gets hauled off and John says he’s “not putting shit back.” Aaron said something to the effect of “fuck you, put it back,” and that’s when John said “no, fuck you, I’m not doing it” and pulled the pistol out of his shorts and pointed it right at Aaron, who was standing in front of the truck with the kids inside. They argued for a few seconds before the son, Michael Miller, looked out their back gate, stepped back in the yard for less than 3 seconds and came out with the shotgun. So now he had 2 guns on him in plain view of his nieces and nephew, not to mention me and his brother.

Justin ran around to get his kids out of the truck and as he was taking them inside our house to safety, he was also on the phone with 911. I saw earlier in the thread someone mentioned no answer from them, but he did get through and they dispatched an officer our way. That’s exactly why I started recording in the first place because they knew we had called the police, and I was just praying they would get there and diffuse the situation before anyone got hurt. Obviously they didn’t arrive until it was too late.

It’s really easy to judge when you only know part of the story and to say who should have done what and when if it’s not you who is directly involved in it. That was the worst day of my life and every damn day I think about everything I maybe could or should have done differently, but even so, I would still have only been in control of my own actions. You can call us all the names you’d like, say we’re crazy, say he shouldn’t have been acting so enraged (even though the Millers knowingly wielded guns in front of the children) but crazy/psycho or not, stupid bitch or not, it still wouldn’t change the fact that the Millers brought the confrontation to us and not only murdered my husband, but endangered 3 children, and held Justin and I at gunpoint afterwards telling us they would kill us too if we even moved. I was holding Aaron in my arms, holding pressure on his head and chest wounds with my hands, with a pistol pointed at my head by John. And Justin was lying facedown in the alley while Michael had the shotgun pressed right on Justin’s forehead. They were still holding us like that when police finally arrived, yelled for them to drop their weapons and immediately arrested them.

After we gave our statements to the detectives, they told us the Millers both gave statements that closely matched ours, so they have all but confessed as well. They’re guilty of not just murder, but so many other charges that I’m hoping to see added soon.

Kara.

I think a point of contention for a lot of people, and which isn't exactly clear in your cell phone video, is, what exactly initiated the Millers to fire their weapons?

It seems to me that a lot people are speculating that your husband actually charged at them with the bat, which is why the claims of "self-defense" are being debated.

Is that the case? Why did the Millers actually start shooting?

 

[GOATER]

Anybody with balls want to message Kara Howard on Facebook, and ask her if this is really her posting on sherdog?

It's really easy to find her facebook.

 

[WhiteMousse]

to be fair, it is the same shit with hood rats. However, it is a socioeconomic problem, rather than just a redneck problem or a hood rat culture. I might wager that every single person involved in that altercation did not finish high school and/or had a D average at best, if they did.

Btw, when is hillbillie gonna become a racist term? Everyone knows it refers to a poor white person. I would be reported and probably carded if I made a thread titled "urban n***** kills kid over Jorans" Which is basically the exact same scenario, just in an urban context. And the thread would be moved to the dump. Despite it being about urban violence and Nike, which are both topical war room topics.

I don't believe in eugenics or genocide, I really don't.

But when I look at stuff like this it makes me wonder what life would be like if everyone with IQ results below a certain level were to just not be around.

I don't think anyone has any idea how much things would change. Traffic would be smoother, less accidents. Construction would get done more effectively and quickly. Overhead for companies would go down.

 

[lifelessheap]

Yeah, nothing on Sherdog there (actually third page on Google, first on Bing).
If you look up the liveleak title though, this is the top result.

I made a thread on IGN.com about that stupid Moonshiners show on the Discovery channel and it was on the front page of Google for a long time if you Googled that show. The thread didn't even have 100 replies, but the thread was viewed almost 100,000 times and was necro bumped for years by idiots who made accounts to respond to it.

I have no doubt that if someone was searching about the mattress murder that they would end up here.

 

[deadshot138]

Holy shit

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I don't believe in eugenics or genocide, I really don't.

But when I look at stuff like this it makes me wonder what life would be like if everyone with IQ results below a certain level were to just not be around.

I don't think anyone has any idea how much things would change. Traffic would be smoother, less accidents. Construction would get done more effectively and quickly. Overhead for companies would go down.

I don't believe in genocide either, but I do kind of feel that in today's society, people should need a license to reproduce. I wouldn't mind that type of sci-fi dystopia, if it meant eliminating people like this from the gene pool.

So many social problems stem from shitty households and lack of parenting. Couple that with over population, and I am in.

 

[GOATER]

to be fair, it is the same shit with hood rats. However, it is a socioeconomic problem, rather than just a redneck problem or a hood rat culture. I might wager that every single person involved in that altercation did not finish high school and/or had a D average at best, if they did.

Btw, when is hillbillie gonna become a racist term? Everyone knows it refers to a poor white person. I would be reported and probably carded if I made a thread titled "urban n***** kills kid over Jorans" Which is basically the exact same scenario, just in an urban context. And the thread would be moved to the dump. Despite it being about urban violence and Nike, which are both topical war room topics.

That's not even close of a comparison.

HillBillies, I admit is a fucked up term...but if a Hollywood White person was called hillbilly, they wouldn't give a shit because they know, they aren't hillbillies.

The thread titled "urban n***** kills kid over Jordans"...Offends all blacks because the N-Word is designed to offend all blacks...so completely different.

Now if you said "Hoodrats kills kid over Jordans"...Nobody would give a fuck(perhaps some hardcore liberals, but most people wouldn't give a shit), it will be treated as hillbillies.

Have some common sense, bro.

 

[GOATER]

I don't believe in eugenics or genocide, I really don't.

But when I look at stuff like this it makes me wonder what life would be like if everyone with IQ results below a certain level were to just not be around.

I don't think anyone has any idea how much things would change. Traffic would be smoother, less accidents. Construction would get done more effectively and quickly. Overhead for companies would go down.

First of all....Judging by this post, your IQ isn't high enough thus you wouldn't be around.

How in the fuck will traffic be smoother/Less accidents? Sure there will be less cars on the road, but it seems that you are referring to "High IQ = Safer/Better drivers"....First of all you are an idiot if you think this.....Plenty of smart people can't drive for shit, and some dumbshits are actually good drivers.....High IQ is not correlated with good driving/better driving.....This statement alone, already tells me your IQ isn't very high.

Construction would get done more effectively and quickly? WTF...Hard Labor isn't IQ based at all...You will lose a shitload of workers if you killed of low IQ people, thus it will be harder to construct shit.

This is like saying Field Workers will pick up more strawberries if they had high IQs...It literally has nothing to do with the job.

Also you seem to equate high IQ with being a good citizen.......Im sure hitler had a very high IQ, he was a POS of a human....You can be criminal/cunt and have a high IQ.

Perhaps they won't go around killing people over garbage....but a high IQ person can be way more evil and get away with shit.

 

[GOATER]

I made a thread on IGN.com about that stupid Moonshiners show on the Discovery channel and it was on the front page of Google for a long time if you Googled that show. The thread didn't even have 100 replies, but the thread was viewed almost 100,000 times and was necro bumped for years by idiots who made accounts to respond to it.

I have no doubt that if someone was searching about the mattress murder that they would end up here.

Link? You posted in the Vestibule?

 

[GOATER]

@lifelessheap

Nevermind, Found your thread and interactions I had with you back in 2013 in Vestibule.


Damn bro, we knew eachother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[deadshot138]

Just because someone asked.

Sorry for your loss. Couldn’t imagine being in that situation. Hope that justice prevails and they don’t see the light of day again.