Teddy Atlas: Floyd didn't carry Conor

[ThunderL1ps]

Like hell he didn't.

 

[Hardkore]

Well Floyd seldomly gets hit with anything clean.

However, it's not Floyd's style to allow himself to hit with anything whatsoever. This is a man who spoke frequently about longevity in the sport and maintaining his health and wits about him after retirement.

But again, I see this as largely a product of Floyd's age as well. I don't think anyone would deny a flawless performance if it were a younger floyd.

Yes and no, he rarely gets hit flush but its an offensive sport so one has to expect to get hit regardless of age

 

[MescalineDreams]

Quit smoking weed and drinking Conrad's piss whiskey when you rematch fights

I call it as I see it. No more no less.

The only people who think otherwise are too deep into their bias and emotional reactions to see a rational opinion.

Teddy basically said the same shit I've been saying for years. Must be drinking Conor's semen as well.

I've always seen clearly.

 

[Hardkore]

Floyd out of anyone, isnt the type to not train for a fight, regardless of who he is. Especially in the final fight of his career and the Marciano record breaker.

He values his career and legacy far too much to put anything less than 100%. Even in interviews he spoke about how grueling the training was and how he cant do it anymore after this.

And the dude was absolutely shredded..

Hate destroys logic unfortunately

The guy doesn't drink or smoke and he's always in shape. He's always in the gym, but do I think he took on a real fight camp? Hell no

 

[Hardkore]

I call it as I see it. No more no less.

The only people who think otherwise are too deep into their bias and emotional reactions to see a rational opinion.

Teddy basically said the same shit I've been saying for years. Must be drinking Conor's semen as well.

I've always seen clearly.

I use my own eyes and brain, I don't need to rely on a punch drunk commentator who is wrong as he is right about fights, to make up my mind on what I saw

 

[BigDramaShow26]

Floyd is a natural 140 pounder who doesn't cut weight. If he cut weight he could probably make 135. If he REALLY cut weight like Conor did for 145 he could make 130. Conor was at least 3 classes bigger than him in there. He also had the longest reach out of anyone Floyd has ever fought.

Now add the fact that he is a southpaw to all the things I listed and you have a recipe for failure for Floyd. If Floyd ever fought a guy like prime Lara, Paul Williams, Sergio Martinez, even Austin Trout, he would have lost easily that night. His Philly shell is not as good against Southpaw's. He has to pressure them. Also worth noting that 2 of the only times Floyd has been hurt or dropped was against Judah and Corley both southpaws.

So yeah Conor made it awkward for Floyd for a few rounds until he got his timing down and pressured him.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

I find it very hard to believe that Floyds ego would allow him to let an MMA fighter (a white one at that) last that long and even win rounds against him.

 

[MescalineDreams]

The guy doesn't drink or smoke and he's always in shape. He's always in the gym, but do I think he took on a real fight camp? Hell no

There's nothing that will make me believe Floyd wouldn't put 100% into a boxing match, regardless of who hes fighting.

People who just believe this are delusional and grasping at straws to give a glimmer of credibility to their flawed and hate fueled narratives.

This isnt the body of a man who didnt put in a camp.

Perhaps other less disciplined boxers, but not Floyd.

 

[Hardkore]

well, it was competitive throughout 8 rounds. Which seems to contradict that statement.


Obvious and yet very few people picked up on that being a reason for his forward pressure.

His boxing and footwork was rudimentary. Floyd, ever the showman milked the fight to its appropriate ending

 

[MescalineDreams]

I use my own eyes and brain, I don't need to rely on a punch drunk commentator who is wrong as he is right about fights, to make up my mind on what I saw

I was saying this from day 1.

When it comes to people you love or hate, you always tend to see what you want to see. All objectivity and logic goes out the window.. lol

 

[Hardkore]

I was saying this from day 1.

When it comes to people you love or hate, you always tend to see what you want to see. All objectivity and logic goes out the window.. lol

I'm not quoting or using anyone else to support my supposition, you are.

 

[MescalineDreams]

His boxing and footwork was rudimentary. Floyd, ever the showman milked the fight to its appropriate ending

So Floyd allowed for 8 competitive rounds. Prior to deciding he had enough and was going to take him out.

Precisely at the same time that Conor truly started to gas.

Makes sense.

If only there could be a more logical, non extremist conclusion that could be drawn.

 

[dracul]

yes he did

some experts/pro fighters get paid/promoted aka Mike Tyson who said ronda had great boxing

Floyd scammed you all for an easy 100m

 

[Hardkore]

So Floyd allowed for 8 competitive rounds. Prior to deciding he had enough and was going to take him out.

Precisely at the same time that Conor truly started to gas.

Makes sense.

If only there could be a more logical, non extremist conclusion that could be drawn.

Competitive? No. Floyd was never in any danger. Him making sure the crowd got their moneys worth and Conrad fading due to his shit cardio, aren't mutually exclusive

 

[MescalineDreams]

I'm not quoting or using anyone else to support my supposition, you are.

Nothing wrong with quoting knowledgeable people who know and understand more about boxing than anyone to support a supposition.

There was a thread after the fight with like 40+ pro boxers, legends, current champs and top 5 fighters, all giving him some well deserved respect.

But that's just useless information I suppose because it didnt line up with the biased and emotional laden way that you seen what happened.

I remember seeing you post in it. Essentially suggesting their views were all nonsense.. lol

Ultimately we should always think for ourselves. If there's anyone we should ping off, it's the greats and the most knowledgeable in the field, who are capable of giving their opinion impartially and objectively.

 

[Hardkore]

yes he did

some experts/pro fighters get paid/promoted aka Mike Tyson who said ronda had great boxing

Floyd scammed you all for an easy 100m

I could post the gifs of Conrad's boxing and movement, but I think most informed posters already know the truth. And I want to keep it civil with @MescalineDreams hes a good sherdogger when he isn't trolling

 

[SamboPunch]

Yes.

Floyd fought like Floyd always fights. Safe, defensive, counter punching. Conor is much bigger and longer, and likely much better than Floyd realized. After Conor started to gas Floyd took over, but that doesn’t negate some of the clean shots Conor landed in the first few rounds. Very few fighters have landed as clean on Floyd as Conor did, even if it seemed to have little effect. Watching him slip and rip Mayweather in rd. 1 was surreal.

holy shit i havent seen you in a long time

 

[Hardkore]

Nothing wrong with quoting knowledgeable people who know and understand more about boxing than anyone to support a supposition.

There was a thread after the fight with like 40+ pro boxers, legends, current champs and top 5 fighters, all giving him some well deserved respect.

But that's just useless information I suppose because it didnt line up with the biased and emotional laden way that you seen what happened.

I remember seeing you post in it. Essentially suggesting their views were all nonsense.. lol

Ultimately we should always think for ourselves. If there's anyone we should ping off, it's the greats and the most knowledgeable in the field, who are capable of giving their opinion impartially and objectively.

We've debated this before. It was more or less the boxing community wanting more co promotion with MMA, just because they're being complimentary doesn't mean its authentic

 

[blaccbeard]

Teddy Atlas is a white supremacist, he ALWAYS sides with the white fighter in any fight, and any situation. His boxing/mma takes/opiniona are always racially biased. Plus Tyson exposed him long ago.

Dont@me

 

[MescalineDreams]

Competitive? No. Floyd was never in any danger. Him making sure the crowd got their moneys worth and Conrad fading due to his shit cardio, aren't mutually exclusive

In terms of scoring, the first 8 rounds were competitive.

First 3 were conor, 4 5 6 were close, 7 was a dominant floyd, the 8th was close then the next 2 were domination after Conor had nothing left.

Older Floyd, Conor had some attributes which made him more formidable than expected, played it safe, gassed him out, took him out in the deep waters.

Pretty straight forward logic here bud.

But deep down some just do everything In their power to avoid giving the man any credit whatsoever. That's what this comes down to. Hate will always reign supreme over proper analysis and logic.

Something I've learned over many years on this site and we know you hate Conor more than any fighter, ever. Which is fine, you're free to feel and do as you wish but ultimately your opinion has no credibility. Certainly nothing near those who actually are deeply immersed in and understand the sport better than anyone.