Teddy Atlas: Floyd didn't carry Conor

[TheChance]

It wasn't a fight, it was an exhibition that people were dumb enough to pay money to watch.

 

[Harlekin]

Teddy Atlas holds the record for most fights predicted wrong. For real, google it.
He was dumb as hell and punch drunk 20 years ago and now he is old, too.
Also says whatever he is paid.

Floyd threw 6 punches in the first round. On purpose. Let that sink in.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

Floyd threw 6 punches in the first round. On purpose. Let that sink in.

I thought it was 6 in the first 2 rounds....

 

[El Fernas]

Not exactly sure what "carrying Conor" in boxing terms would mean, but he played it extremely safe for 3-4 rounds, trying to tire him imho, he is a defensive fighter anyway.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Teddy atlas conveniently left out how aberrant this was for Floyd Mayweather. He starts slow....but not THAT slow.

I think Atlas thought that noting Floyd's age and retirement was enough to explain a slow, tentative start.

 

[MescalineDreams]

The first 6 rounds were Incredibly close. As was the 8th round. Floyd took the 7th dominantly.

People really think Floyd just allowed that many close rounds

And that he allowed himself to take that many punches

I've been saying this shit since day 1. Conor's success had a lot more to do with Floyd's age. Obviously he handled himself much better than he ever got credit for as well.

Fans won't admit this because they're too blinded by hate to see logically

 

[MescalineDreams]

I think Atlas thought that noting Floyd's age and retirement was enough to explain a slow, tentative start.

Thing is, it wasnt just the first 3 rounds.

Even rounds 4 5 and 6 were close. Floyd dominantly took the 7th then the 8th was close as well.

The narrative is that Conor only had success in the first 3 which isnt actually true. If you watch the fight a few times and score each round objectively, it was close all up to the end where Conor just gassed then got mauled.

 

[revoltub]

Conor bless

 

[MescalineDreams]

Show me another fight where floyd walked forward with a high guard letting his opponent tee off.

Show me another fight where floyd was laughing and mugging for the camera between rounds.

I'll wait . . . No I won't because it doesn't exist.

Floyd knew what he had in front of him and fought accordingly - put on a show, have fun then when he got sick of it turn up the tempo and stop the guy with no actual boxing experience except fairytale stories told by him.

It was the pressure of walking him down, making him continually move, adjust his stance in order to throw punches in the way he'd like. That will gas you quicker.

Same thing Nate did to him.

I saw an older past prime floyd who did what he had to do, took his time, went to the body, tried to gas him out and wait for him to punch himself out, then went for the kill in the layer rounds / deeper waters.

Even his corner between rounds kept saying "hes gonna get tired"

On paper you would expect that to be the strategy even prior to the fight.

People need to take into account this is a 40 year old floyd. His technique isnt the same, speed isnt the same, reflexes arent the same. Do we really expect him to fight the same?

The issue here is that the dislike for McGregor and the unwillingness to acknowledge he had any level of success even against the ghost of Floyd is preventing people from seeing things logically.

Teddy sees things logically. The dozens and dozens of elite boxers who commented on this fight afterwards see logically. Even Sugar Ray Leonard, imo one of the top 5 greatest boxers to ever do it, said he was impressed and that Conor exhibited boxing talent.

These arent just random Conor Mark's who know nothing about boxing.

 

[MRDOG]

I think Floyd went into the fight with the mindset of tiring Conor and implemented a strategy that did just that. Using such a strategy isn't equal to carrying someone. Carrying someone implies Floyd could of easily won at any time (He couldn't).

Floyd also likely underestimated Conor causing some rounds to be closer than Floyd would have liked. Conor wasn't carried ...... he was underestimated.

 

[Coconutwater]

He was carried in the sense that Floyd didn’t fight with the same level of intensity he usually has, he knew the guy was 0-0 as a boxer but young and a southpaw, so why rush? He’s gonna gas anyway....

Safe win for a 40yr old.

 

[MescalineDreams]

First 3 rounds Floyd did not try. He's putting on a show, giving people what they paid for, and letting Conor burn his gas. After that he was serious. Round 10 he definitely came in to end it.

4 5 and 6 were close. 7th was a dominant floyd round. Then the 8th was close.

Are we to believe that he took the entire fight off?

The narrative is that Floyd gave up the first 3 rounds but dominated the rest of the fight, that actually isnt true.

Up until Conor got tired, it was a lot more competitive than I think a lot of people tend to realize.

It took me several times of going back and rewatching to see it.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Floyd walked pretty much everyone down when he was still pretty boy. Hell even later in his career he still did if he knew he could put someone away. It's something he regularly does in later rounds when he's dominating the fight

In this case it's also because that sort of forward pressure gasses Conor quicker.

When you can dominate the range and dictate where the fight takes place, it's a lot easier to manage energy.

Same reason why Nate's style and pressure gasses him out so much.

 

[Hardkore]

The first 6 rounds were Incredibly close. As was the 8th round. Floyd took the 7th dominantly.

People really think Floyd just allowed that many close rounds

And that he allowed himself to take that many punches

I've been saying this shit since day 1. Conor's success had a lot more to do with Floyd's age. Obviously he handled himself much better than he ever got credit for as well.

Fans won't admit this because they're too blinded by hate to see logically

Lol Floyd took so "many" punches

 

[Hardkore]

In this case it's also because that sort of forward pressure gasses Conor quicker.

When you can dominate the range and dictate where the fight takes place, it's a lot easier to manage energy.

Same reason why Nate's style and pressure gasses him out so much.

Maybe he just has shit cardio and a 2 round fighter? Also you're stating the obvious that it's less taxing when you're controlling the pace and dictating where the exchanges happen

 

[Hardkore]

4 5 and 6 were close. 7th was a dominant floyd round. Then the 8th was close.

Are we to believe that he took the entire fight off?

The narrative is that Floyd gave up the first 3 rounds but dominated the rest of the fight, that actually isnt true.

Up until Conor got tired, it was a lot more competitive than I think a lot of people tend to realize.

It took me several times of going back and rewatching to see it.

Quit smoking weed and drinking Conrad's piss whiskey when you rematch fights

 

[MescalineDreams]

Lol Floyd took so "many" punches

Well Floyd seldomly gets hit with anything clean.

However, it's not Floyd's style to allow himself to hit with anything whatsoever. This is a man who spoke frequently about longevity in the sport and maintaining his health and wits about him after retirement.

But again, I see this as largely a product of Floyd's age as well. I don't think anyone would deny a flawless performance if it were a younger floyd.

 

[Hardkore]

The first 6 rounds were Incredibly close. As was the 8th round. Floyd took the 7th dominantly.

People really think Floyd just allowed that many close rounds

And that he allowed himself to take that many punches

I've been saying this shit since day 1. Conor's success had a lot more to do with Floyd's age. Obviously he handled himself much better than he ever got credit for as well.

Fans won't admit this because they're too blinded by hate to see logically

Age my ass, he barely trained for Conrad because he knew he posed little threat

 

[MescalineDreams]

Maybe he just has shit cardio and a 2 round fighter? Also you're stating the obvious that it's less taxing when you're controlling the pace and dictating where the exchanges happen

well, it was competitive throughout 8 rounds. Which seems to contradict that statement.


Obvious and yet very few people picked up on that being a reason for his forward pressure.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Age my ass, he barely trained for Conrad because he knew he posed little threat

Floyd out of anyone, isnt the type to not train for a fight, regardless of who he is. Especially in the final fight of his career and the Marciano record breaker.

He values his career and legacy far too much to put anything less than 100%. Even in interviews he spoke about how grueling the training was and how he cant do it anymore after this.

And the dude was absolutely shredded..

Hate destroys logic unfortunately