Teddy Atlas: Floyd didn't carry Conor

[Final Say]

Yeah, most people who know boxing and combat sports know this. Nobody ITT disagreeing with Teddy can substantiate their point.

Floyd had a strategy to win, not to entertain.

 

[Dionysian]

Who cares. Weird people are still talking about this. Wear to draw the line between inactive due to "carrying" and inactive due to game plan doesn't really matter... he was obviously intentionally inactive and the end result was that, past the inactivity, he then earned a finish later in the fight. Floyd's intentional inactivity "worked" for him and that is all that matters.

Basically what I'm saying is: what difference does it really make what his psychological motivation was for that early intentional inactivity? Does it change the end result?

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Yeah, he did that because he knew McGregor was blown up and had nothing left. Diaz did it to Conor twice, they knew he had no power anymore and that taunting him would get in his head. Doesn't mean he "carried" him.

No, he did it to put on a show for the fans and millions watching. No one watched the Rizen fight (compared to this fight) with Tenshin so floyd didn't fuck around (and he was not getting paid 300million$$$) and took Tenshin out. The same thing would have happened if floyd just went out there to end it as quick as possible - conor's size woudl have allowed him to last 2-4rd if floyd pushed hard from the start.

But Floyd is a showman and knew he had to put on a facade of there being an actual threat.

I hope manny vs conor happens and manny doesn;t fuck around and just blows this bum out to hammer home reality to an adoring fanboy base.

 

[MakeSherdogGreatAgain]

I didn't watch the video but I agree. He got him out of there as quick as he could. Conor is just a good bit bigger than Floyd. I think if he were smaller, he would've been stopped sooner. Did he toy with him? Yes. Did he carry him? No. There's a difference.

 

[The XL]

No, he did it to put on a show for the fans and millions watching. No one watched the Rizen fight (compared to this fight) with Tenshin so floyd didn't fuck around (and he was not getting paid 300million$$$) and took Tenshin out. The same thing would have happened if floyd just went out there to end it as quick as possible - conor's size woudl have allowed him to last 2-4rd if floyd pushed hard from the start.

But Floyd is a showman and knew he had to put on a facade of there being an actual threat.

I hope manny vs conor happens and manny doesn;t fuck around and just blows this bum out to hammer home reality to an adoring fanboy base.

Lmao, Tenshin is a Flyweight and McGregor is a LW/WW, you can't even compare the two. Floyd had a big size advantage on Tenshin and could do what he wanted with him.

Obviously Floyd was going to beat Conor, Conor isn't a boxer, there was no way he was going to catch Floyd and eventually he was going to gas, but this carrying business is ridiculous.

 

[PicoPulse]

Exactly how I felt about the fight.

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

Honestly when I watched it the 1st time Conor looked like he was doing good in the first couple of rounds. Floyd did throw much, I don’t think he carried him.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Again, show me a floyd fight in which he fought the way he did against conor - walking foward with a high guard, playing around, laughing between rounds.

When you do stupid things like this



you're not a threat to any legitimate boxer. Talk about a waste of energy - "I'll sprint forward, do a hard cut to my right and catch floyd." Meanwhile floyd watches this, pivots, lands his shots and slips conor's.

Teddy is seeing an opportunity to get himself in as a trainer for mma guys now - as the skill level is bum level most of the time and put in a good word for conor and then push hard to be his trainer if he boxes Manny.

And you morons will eat it up and buy the PPV.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

When you know that the guy who is helping you make 300 Million $$$ is absolutely no threat to you.

 

[Fedor Emelianenko]

Lol floyd fought like mike tyson, hands up throwing bombs walking conor down.

When does floyd ever fight like that?

 

[TheScorpionDude]

Ultimately this is a semantics discussion.

He doesn't think Floyd 'carried' him. And he gave Conor 2 or 3 early rounds.

He also didn't think Conor had even a 1% chance of ever winning.

I'm quite sure most everyone thinks they know what "carried" means, and I'm equally sure that if put to the test, most people would end up having different definitions.

He was saying that Floyd didn't lose those early rounds on purpose just to make Conor look good or make the fight last longer. He was taken by surprise.

You get the meaning, don't beat around the bush.

He's giving Conor props.

 

[RampageFaction]

Did Floyd even throw a punch in the first two rounds?

Rounds 1-3 = 6, 10, 12 punches respectively.

Teddy atlas conveniently left out how aberrant this was for Floyd Mayweather. He starts slow....but not THAT slow. He also convenient left out how Floyd crowded Conor putting his head in his chest for the early rounds. He has NEVER fought like that. Do I believe Floyd “Carried” Conor? No. Do I believe Floyd had a strategy to let Conor tire himself out before stepping on the gas? Fuck yeah. Why teddy is leaving all this out is beyond me. I respect him but he’s wrong.

 

[BigGing]

I mean...he was laughing and smiling during the fight.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

He was saying that Floyd didn't lose those early rounds on purpose just to make Conor look good or make the fight last longer. He was taken by surprise.

You get the meaning, don't beat around the bush.

Oh I know what carried means but this entire *debate* (for lack of a better term) is hinging on that definition.

That makes it a semantics debate.

He's giving Conor props.

And yes, in the video I posted and the only in the OP, he clearly says Conor did a good job. He also clearly said Conor had no chance of winning, and never did.

 

[RampageFaction]

LOL


Teddy Atlas is a boxing wash up trying so hard to fit into the MMA community. He hasn’t contributed anything significant to Boxing in decades so now he’s trying to leach on to a new sport.

I wouldn’t go so far as to call him washed up, but if I didn’t know better I’d say he had an axe to grind in that video. He left out a lot of pertinent information.

 

[TheScorpionDude]

Oh I know what carried means but this entire *debate* (for lack of a better term) is hinging on that definition.

That makes it a semantics debate.

There was no debate there, just a legendary trainer giving his opinion on a legendary fight

I didn't expect for Conor to do as well as he did either.

I kinda rooted for Floyd, cause as much as I wanted MMA to win, I kinda didn't want that undefeated record broken. Records like those are a special thing, and in this world we need special things to admire.

But yeah, Conor is a special guy as well, he is actually a really good fighter.

 

[teamfox223]

Yeah is was more tactic then carry Conor. Floyd pick Conors timing and setup in round 1 -2 also at the same time let Conor punch him self out. I still think Conor did a ok job considering he never boxed professionally and fighting one of the greatest.

 

[pick999]

Conor train his hardest and Floyd was eating McDonald's and still destroyed him

 

[SeattleFightFan]

There was no debate there, just a legendary trainer giving his opinion on a legendary fight

I meant the debate in sherdog. Cheers.

 

[Coconutwater]

Show me another fight where floyd walked forward with a high guard letting his opponent tee off.

Show me another fight where floyd was laughing and mugging for the camera between rounds.

I'll wait . . . No I won't because it doesn't exist.

Floyd knew what he had in front of him and fought accordingly - put on a show, have fun then when he got sick of it turn up the tempo and stop the guy with no actual boxing experience except fairytale stories told by him.

Gospel FOOKING TRUTH.

Retards don’t watch enough boxing to know what they’re seeing, and people read too much into what Atlas is saying.

Anybody who watches boxing knows:

1) Floyd downloads information first 3-4 rounds to study fighter’s habits, he does this to anyone regardless of threat. He lays back and studies with no care to scoring.

2) rounds 4 on, he fights to win.

3) He never walks forward.

4)He never implements a high guard unless rocked to the verge of being dropped (Shane Mosely).

5) He never, ever walks forward with high guard.

6) His corner (the late Roger Mayweather) always says to Floyd when he’s losing rounds early (Fook all that shite, we’ll get him down the stretch)

Short Version: Floyd didn’t train hard, fought someone he has no data on since they don’t box, sensed McGregor is a southpaw counter puncher and intentionally let Conor waste energy by punching at Floyd as he walked forward non-stop basically after 4 rounds until he gasses (like all Mayweather opponents besides Pacquiao and Castillo 1) and boom, get the stoppage.

Which is what Floyd did to the letter.