Teddy Atlas: Floyd didn't carry Conor

[MescalineDreams]

A lot of people were pretending or thought it was a real contest immediately post the fight. Floyd did his job by carrying Conor decently, so the event didn't look like a farce. That's the whole point of carrying him. It was a work.

It was only in the weeks aftermath, as enough people had time to examine and rewatch the fight, and realise that Floyd barely trained either did it become commonly accepted that Floyd carried him. And a lot of fighters said it as well. It's far from just a "fan theory".

But hey, I hope you enjoy Floyd/Conor 2, which this nonsense is probably mentally prepping Conor fans for. You will make Floyd another 300 million in a fight he will win with his eyes closed. But you'll help make Conor more money as well, so he doesn't have to take hard UFC fights. If I was Conor, I'd rather get slapped around a boxing ring by Floyd for a couple of rounds again for over a hundred million bucks, than face killers in the UFC for maybe 20 million.

And yes. Its predominantly a fan driven narrative. Only a small percentage of the greatest minds in the sport support it.

At the very least, it's far from an absolute and infallible truth as you and others seem to be suggesting

 

[Slippage]

Couldnt give a shit either way bud

I'm a fan of everyone.

Been a fan of floyd long before any of these mma guys existed.

Just trying to call it as I see it. Thankfully I'm in fairly good company when it comes to how i see things.

Either way you're entitled to think what you want. Enjoy the fights and drama.

Fair enough. I prefer to believe the guy in the ring who actually won the fight and said he carried Conor (and also attempted to bet on himself for a 10th round KO, which some of his flunkies probably ended up doing for him), over a boxing analyst 3 years after the fight, who is trying to hustle MMA fans to his podcast to earn a crust.

Floyd admitted he carried Conor. The conversation should really end there. We got the confirmation.

 

[Phisher]

Yes.

Floyd fought like Floyd always fights. Safe, defensive, counter punching. Conor is much bigger and longer, and likely much better than Floyd realized. After Conor started to gas Floyd took over, but that doesn’t negate some of the clean shots Conor landed in the first few rounds. Very few fighters have landed as clean on Floyd as Conor did, even if it seemed to have little effect. Watching him slip and rip Mayweather in rd. 1 was surreal.

Floyd walked down Conor and used the Phlly shell.

He's never fought anything like that at the elite level in the pros.

That said. I agree that he actually was caution against Conor early in the fight until he realized that the danger was minimal.

 

[Slippage]

And yes. Its predominantly a fan driven narrative. Only a small percentage of the greatest minds in the sport support it.

At the very least, it's far from an absolute and infallible truth as you and others seem to be suggesting

"Fan drivel" that Floyd himself has confirmed to be true.

As well as Adrien Broner, who said Floyd told him and others what round he would finish the fight in and said they knew in advance he'd carry Conor.

"B--b-but tEDdY aTLaS sAId....."

Whatever helps you sleep at night bud.Lol!

 

[MescalineDreams]

"Fan drivel" that Floyd himself has confirmed to be true.

As well as Adrien Broner, who said Floyd told him and others what round he would finish the fight in and said they knew he'd carry Conor.

"B--b-but tEDdY aTLaS sAId....."

Whatever helps you sleep at night bud.Lol!

No shit he would confirm it to be true.

He took an absurd amount of shit from the boxing community.

What do you expect lol

Literally the majority of people perpetuating that shit amongst the pros are from Floyds own camp.

Most boxers showed respect and have done nothing to validate that narrative.

They dont give a fuck about The leprechaun or MMA. If that shit was indisputably true, theres no reason it wouldn't be shouted from the rooftops by the entire sport.

But it's only been a minority.

So again, you speak as if your opinion here is fact but it's far from absolute.

To be frank, its undoubtedly flawed but you are just too biased to see it.

In any case it's all love, we all entitled to our opinions. So we'll just see what happens in this potential next boxing bout lol

 

[dc007]

Of course he didn’t. Only a retard thinks that

 

[MescalineDreams]

Floyd walked down Conor and used the Phlly shell.

He's never fought anything like that at the elite level in the pros.

That said. I agree that he actually was caution against Conor early in the fight until he realized that the danger was minimal.

I've said it in detail in many prior posts.

Moving forward was strategic.

The forward pressure served a tri purpose.

It made Conor work, constantly moving to find his ideal range to throw a punch, never being able to rest.

It forced him to fight in a range that hes not comfortable in and ultimately lacks competence. His close and mid range game is nonexistent.

Third, Conor has a longer reach than anyone he's ever fought. Fighting his normal style would mean allowing Conor to use that reach to its full potential.

Which makes no sense since Conor has demonstrated a marked weakness to forward pressure and lacks a close range game.

Floyd always adapts to his opponents.

All due respect, your analysis is way too short sighted and small minded. There's a lot you arent considering.

 

[gevoudane]

It went how Floyd said it would before the fight. Ended when he said it would. He didnt carry Conor he went easy on him for the fans. But Conor showed nothing anyone couldnt do.

 

[MescalineDreams]

It went how Floyd said it would before the fight. Ended when he said it would. He didnt carry Conor he went easy on him for the fans. But Conor showed nothing anyone couldnt do.

When I argue against shit like this

It's not because I care about or wish to defend the leprechaun

But I wonder why there is such an orchestrated narrative to shit on the idea of him having any talent and potential.

Objectively speaking, such a narrative has been incredibly flawed since day 1.

I feel it may even be unconscious for some. A product of the potency of the hive mind perhaps.

 

[MescalineDreams]

You're not blind, you just don't know Floyd very well and that's where you are wrong my friend. It's not about feeling a threat, it's about being a professional and never underestimating anyone. Floyd knew, most level headed fans including myself knew that the chance of Conor catching Floyd is slim. But the fact is that there is a chance with anyone in a sport like boxing where heavy punches are thrown. Conor caught him early with a few nice shots so Floyd knew not to disregard Conor as as a threat.

I've watched Floyd for over 15 years, one thing I'll tell you is he never underestimates anyone and prepares for everything and that is why he has the flawless record that he does, he doesn't take many risks. It would be stupid not to think his opponent, who is a professional fighter poses no threat to him and actually act on it early in the fight. Once the fight went beyond the 5th round and Floyd got a feel for him, that's when he changed it up and felt less danger so he moved forward.

What do you think @MescalineDreams

I mean

I couldn't have said it better brother

I think what you're responding to is a product of unconscious bias.

Many, even otherwise intellitent people dont realise how muddied their thinking is.

This is one of the most glaring examples I've seen in this community so far.

People think I love Conor but I'm really just fascinated by how he creates this sort of effect lol

I suppose I see past it in a sense.

 

[DesertSin]

Lmao... at one point Floyd threw up a cross guard and just walked forward at one point. That fight was theatre, nothing more.

If Mayweather felt any type of threat from McGregor the charade, because it definitely wasn’t a fight, would have been over quickly. He would have taken the dance seriously and not given everyone their money’s worth.

 

[gevoudane]

When I argue against shit like this

It's not because I care about or wish to defend the leprechaun

But I wonder why there is such an orchestrated narrative to shit on the idea of him having any talent and potential.

Objectively speaking, such a narrative has been incredibly flawed since day 1.

I feel it may even be unconscious for some. A product of the potency of the hive mind perhaps.

As a boxer he sucks, its not shitting on him its the truth. My cousin would beat Conor in a boxing match, nothing wrong with it Conor isnt a boxer.. But now argue the point and prove how great his boxing talent is.

 

[BBMN]

Did Floyd even throw a punch in the first two rounds?

I think Floyd threw 3 or 4 punches in the first round. He was clearly playing.

 

[po_thead]

Buuuuullshit

 

[Shaddows]

You're not blind, you just don't know Floyd very well and that's where you are wrong my friend. It's not about feeling a threat, it's about being a professional and never underestimating anyone. Floyd knew, most level headed fans including myself knew that the chance of Conor catching Floyd is slim. But the fact is that there is a chance with anyone in a sport like boxing where heavy punches are thrown. Conor caught him early with a few nice shots so Floyd knew not to disregard Conor as as a threat.

I've watched Floyd for over 15 years, one thing I'll tell you is he never underestimates anyone and prepares for everything and that is why he has the flawless record that he does, he doesn't take many risks. It would be stupid not to think his opponent, who is a professional fighter poses no threat to him and actually act on it early in the fight. Once the fight went beyond the 5th round and Floyd got a feel for him, that's when he changed it up and felt less danger so he moved forward.

What do you think @MescalineDreams

While I am not disagreeing with you, let us not forget Floyd fought against professional boxers. That is Boxers who fought a lot of boxing fights as amateurs and then a lot more as professionals.
Conor did none of that. You can't simply bunch him up with the rest

And Floyd himself were not the same. He retired. Then came back for this...

this is akin some Fedor fights against some monsters. They were big, but they were more aesthetically intimidating than a real threat to Fedor.

 

[fzoid4454]

His reasons were:
1. Floyd was old and had been inactive prior to the fight, so that had to have its effects.
2. Floyd has always been a patient counterpuncher.
3. Conor fought on the outside and used his length.


Atlas had McGregor winning the fight in the early going but thought it was obvious that he was winning the battle while losing the war. At a certain point Floyd changed up his style to something he doesn't usually do and went after McGregor and ended the fight. He's not saying Floyd was in real danger of losing so much as that he doesn't think Floyd purposely lost rounds or slowed the fight down at all to carry McGregor.

Atlas never calls McGregor a good fighter. He carefully dances around it, but he does say McGregor's strategy in the fight was smart and that his promoting was brilliant. He does emphasize that MMA fighters will never look good under boxing rules because they aren't as dangerous without all the weapons they normally use.

Finally, he notes that Pacquiao and McGregor have the same manager, so he thinks the fight will get made. Pacquiao is also older, etc, but he says he thinks Pac will end him earlier, because his style is more aggressive.

He also uses the word "allowed" when talking about Conor winning the early rounds.

If we want to dispute the concept of "carrying," like Floyd could have ended the fight at any time after the opening bell, I think it's fair to dispute that.

If we want to claim that Conor TOOK any rounds from Mayweather that Mayweather cared about going after and winning, Atlas isn't even saying that, when he gives Conor credit.

 

[JKS]

While I am not disagreeing with you, let us not forget Floyd fought against professional boxers. That is Boxers who fought a lot of boxing fights as amateurs and then a lot more as professionals.
Conor did none of that. You can't simply bunch him up with the rest

And Floyd himself were not the same. He retired. Then came back for this...

this is akin some Fedor fights against some monsters. They were big, but they were more aesthetically intimidating than a real threat to Fedor.

100%, I am with you on that. Floyd knew Conors experience so surely he had the confidence once he figures him out it would be easy from then on. But early on, he wasn't taking chances vs a power puncher who fights well on the outside and had size on him. Once again it goes back to Floyd not underestimating anyone, he's just that smart. It was more the unknown and unpredictability of fighting someone like Conor that made Floyd fight like he did early on. Once he felt his power, speed and got a sense of his movement combined with Conor starting to gas, he turned it up.

And yes, Floyd was not the same. Teddy pointed that out as well.

 

[JKS]

I mean

I couldn't have said it better brother

I think what you're responding to is a product of unconscious bias.

Many, even otherwise intellitent people dont realise how muddied their thinking is.

This is one of the most glaring examples I've seen in this community so far.

People think I love Conor but I'm really just fascinated by how he creates this sort of effect lol

I suppose I see past it in a sense.

100%!

 

[Crash Lance]

As a boxer he sucks, its not shitting on him its the truth. My cousin would beat Conor in a boxing match, nothing wrong with it Conor isnt a boxer.. But now argue the point and prove how great his boxing talent is.

Your cousin would eliminate McGregor in a Boxing fight? Is your cousin waiting for Penn at the airport?

In case you don't know what the hell I'm saying, the joke about meeting Penn at the airport has been around Sherdog for many, MANY years.



@MescalineDreams

 

[GalegodoVeneno]

First 3 rounds Floyd did not try. He's putting on a show, giving people what they paid for, and letting Conor burn his gas. After that he was serious. Round 10 he definitely came in to end it.

You probably never saw floyd fight if you believe this...Floyd takes exceptional pride in not getting hit and was never once shy of fighting a NOT crowd pleasing fight.. Connor had decent elusiviness fresh, always had and is busy fighter with crap gas tank.

Its the matchups, connor would look way crappier agaisnt a more relentless boxer. But he got talent considering everything.