Teddy Atlas: Floyd didn't carry Conor

[letgodiego]

im not saying he carried him, but floyd eased into it. he definetly wasnt in a rush, and was pretty comfortable the whole fight.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

Floyd definitely tried to miss all those punches and eat an uppercut counter....also planned for the ref to save him after being stunned from the body shot....truly a master of marketing and a modern Confucius.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Floyd just walked in and started hitting him with every body punch he threw one round, then practiced something else for a while.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

Floyd definitely tried to miss all those punches and eat an uppercut counter....also planned for the ref to save him after being stunned from the body shot....truly a master of marketing and a modern Confucius.

He visibly pulled one punch and it was really obvious. Conor's face was open and Floyd just weakly hit him on the shoulder at the last moment, changing the path of his punch.

 

[dethmanrulz]

Yes.

Floyd fought like Floyd always fights. Safe, defensive, counter punching. Conor is much bigger and longer, and likely much better than Floyd realized. After Conor started to gas Floyd took over, but that doesn’t negate some of the clean shots Conor landed in the first few rounds. Very few fighters have landed as clean on Floyd as Conor did, even if it seemed to have little effect. Watching him slip and rip Mayweather in rd. 1 was surreal.

This is the truth - but Conor haters won't see it that way.

 

[sb413197]

Rounds 1-3 were in no way typical of Floyd. He's a relatively low output fighter but never in his career has he ever attempted less than 10 punches in a round. He came in knowing that he wouldn't fight back into round 4. You hear him confirming not in the corner after round 3.

Conor did better than he had any right to tho.

It would be fun to watch a 3 round fight between them. Might negate some of the advantage of lifelong boxers because I guess it takes a long time to build up the level of endurance to fight that long.

 

[Slippage]

Of course he carried Conor.

Teddy Atlas isn't God. Floyd says he carried Conor. Several professional boxers have said Floyd carried Conor. It's just obvious. Anyone who knows boxing knows it's obvious, and since Teddy knows boxing, he's probably got an angle to saying this, and saying it at this specific time.

Atlas has been getting more into MMA commentary now. It's possible he just wants to get on the good side of MMA's biggest star. Money and opportunities will make people say all sorts of crap. A Conor McGregor exclusive interview would further get Teddy into the MMA commentary game, and there is money in that. Talking about fighting is his livelyhood, and big boxing fights are mostly dead during the pandemic. So Teddy isn't getting paid right now. Getting into the MMA/UFC commentary game with these sort of statements is a good business plan.

Also, Teddy would make a windfall offering to train McGregor for a rematch with Floyd or another boxing match with someone like Manny Pacciquio. So there several $$$$$$ reasons for him to say this.

Teddy Atlas is a hustler, just like a lot of people in the fight game. He has knowledge and some good insights, but he's not above talking complete bullshit if there if financial incentive or it can help his career.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Nobody likes to get hit, even by weak punches But had Conor posed any threat, I can assure you Floyd would have been faster on his feet, not just walking forward with his hands up.

As I already explained

Floyd walked forward as a means of making Conor continually move, reset, never getting a chance to rest or find his ideal punching range. He is susceptible to forward pressure and its something that will make you tired compared to when you can control your range without much resistance.

When Conor can dictate the range is when he's most dangerous.

It's a big reason why Nate's style and ability to walk through punches posed a great difficulty and he gassed quicker.

Another reason is that Conor's close and mid range game is not very good, being forced to fight In that range is responsible for some of the silly, absent of technique punches he threw.

Finally, Conor has a very long reach, among the longest he's ever fought. Playing his typical game would mean allowing Conor to fight at his normal range which makes little sense. As Teddy said, it's not his style to do what he did against Conor, but it was still one of the most effective ways of fighting him

Floyd defended great throughout, even while moving forward. There was no point he allowed himself to take punches. But he's also older, slower and his reflexes weren't that they used to be which allowed him to be hit.

Everyone is a threat even when you least suspect it, regardless of who it is. No elite boxer is that cocky to the point where they just mindlessly allow themselves to take punches and throw caution to the wind. Even mma fighters dont do that shit. Floyd of all people is not going to take that risk.

He defended beautifully throughout and made him miss on 90% of his punches. People like yourself seem to think he came out of that shell randomly and was like fuck it, this guy ain't shit, let's take some punches. Like, do you guys even know Floyd.. lol

 

[MescalineDreams]

Of course he carried Conor.

Teddy Atlas isn't God. Floyd says he carried Conor. Several professional boxers have said Floyd carried Conor. It's just obvious. Anyone who knows boxing knows it's obvious, and since Teddy knows boxing, he's probably got an angle to saying this, and saying it at this specific time.

Atlas has been getting more into MMA commentary now. It's possible he just wants to get on the good side of MMA's biggest star. Money and opportunities will make people say all sorts of crap. A Conor McGregor exclusive interview would further get Teddy into the MMA commentary game, and there is money in that. Talking about fighting is his livelyhood, and big boxing fights are mostly dead during the pandemic. So Teddy isn't getting paid right now. Getting into the MMA/UFC commentary game with these sort of statements is a good business plan.

Also, Teddy would make a windfall offering to train McGregor for a rematch with Floyd or another boxing match with someone like Manny Pacciquio. So there several $$$$$$ reasons for him to say this.

Teddy Atlas is a hustler, just like a lot of people in the fight game. He has knowledge and some good insights, but he's not above talking complete bullshit if there if financial incentive or it can help his career.

It's obvious if you dont actually think things through.

90% of the boxers, legends and analysts showed him a lot of respect.

Maybe 10% said he carried him. Many were connected to mayweathers own camp.

Majority havent jumped on that train.

Nobody actually cares about Conor or MMA. If it were true you'd think the media would be full of countless boxers shouting from the hills that he got carried but no.

It is LARGELY a fan perpetuated narrative.

You think Teddy only said this to try and get a Conor interview or something? Some of the mental gymnastics you guys to through in order to have conviction in this shit is crazy.

I arrived at the same conclusion independently and I've boxed / watched boxing for a long time. Dude just gave his honest opinion.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Floyd was even filmed a couple of days before the "fight" eating some cheeseburgers. Conor was never and will never be a threat to Floyd in a boxing bout.

I don´t know what to do with Teddy. He clearly know A FUCKING LOT about boxing, has been a good coach, but he was always inclined to deliver industrial amounts of BS. Maybe he is trying to carve a business niche for himself in the MMA environment,

He always does that shit dude

The man was chiseled

You really think he didn't train hard for it?

 

[Kanka]

As I already explained

Floyd walked forward as a means of making Conor continually move, reset, never getting a chance to rest or find his ideal punching range. He is susceptible to forward pressure and its something that will make you tired compared to when you can control your range without much resistance.

It's a big reason why Nate's style and ability to walk through punches posed a great difficulty and he gassed quicker.

Another reason is that Conor's close and mid range game is not very good, being forced to fight In that range is responsible for some of the silly, absent of technique punches he threw.

Finally, Conor has a very long reach, along the longest he's ever fought. Playing his typical game would mean allowing Conor to fight at his normal range which makes little sense. As Teddy said, it's not his style to do what he did against Conor, but it was still one of the most effective ways of fighting him

Floyd defended great throughout, even while moving forward. There was no point he allowed himself to take punches. But he's also older, slower and his reflexes weren't that they used to be which allowed him to be hit.

Everyone is a threat even when you least suspect it, regardless of who it is. No elite boxer is that cocky to the point where they just mindlessly allow themselves to take punches. Floyd of all people is not going to take that risk.

He defended beautifully throughout and made him miss on 90% of his punches. People like yourself seem to think he came out of that shell and was like fuck it, this guy ain't shit, let's take some punches. Like, do you guys even know Floyd.. lol

I could give a more nuanced view of my point of view, even round by round or strike by strike and you will understand better what i mean.

From round 4 and on what i see is Floyd doing things he would never do against a competitive opponent.

But at the end of the day, we will never agree either way, no point in discussing this further.

 

[MescalineDreams]

I could give a more nuanced view of my point of view, even round by round or strike by strike and you will understand better what i mean.

From round 4 and on what i see is Floyd doing things he would never do against a competitive opponent.

But at the end of the day, we will never agree either way, no point in discussing this further.

Styles make fights. Floyd adjusts to his opponent.

I just explained why he moved forward and fought the way he did in detail.

Not only that but he's 40 and some of you were expecting a prime Mayweather performance. He fought smart and the way he needed to against that style and range.

A lot of people point to him moving forward as some grand proof that he wasnt taking it seriously.

Yet nobody obviously realizes that it served a purpose and there was a strategy behind it as I've attempted to illustrate.

Ultimately I don't think a lot of you know what you're watching. Either that or the blinders are strong.

 

[RiotWyatt]

If people actually watch Floyd's fights and Conor's fights they would know that Floyd wasn't carrying him.

No matter what the level of the opponent, Floyd ALWAYS loses/starts slow the first few rounds. He takes anywhere from 3-4 rounds to figure out his opponents' movements and timing before he starts to unload. Always. But once he makes that adjustment, the fight is in the bag.

This doesn't mean Floyd was having trouble early. He's just a cerebral fighter and likes to take that time to analyze so it makes all his opponents look good at first.

Conor always starts hot then fades. It was only a matter of time.

So, no. Floyd did not carry Conor but, still, Conor never had a chance outside of a lucky punch in the early rounds.

 

[Do better]

What do you think, should I believe Shertards/Conor haters over Teddy?

Nope, but you should believe Mayweather over Atlas

 

[flairleguccijoints]

What do you think, should I believe Shertards/Conor haters over Teddy?

He’s full of shit, it’s not the first time I’ve disagreed with teddy.
I know what I saw, if you think Floyd fought Conor with the same intensity and regard as Judah, pac, Mosley, Cotto, etc you’re lying.
Post the opinions of other boxers, they’ve all said he was carried.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Yeah the best defensive boxer of all time is going to be upset by an MMA fighter. Floyd took it slow on him and disregarded his punching power. He walked forward way more than he does in other fights. He had no respect for Conor's power.

nobody suggested he was going to be upset. It was a clear win for Floyd from the jump. Only that he wasnt carried and that everything Floyd did had purpose and strategy.

I've explained in a few posts above that there was a very real strategy behind his forward pressure.

Both as a means of making him work and also taking away his ideal range. His inside, mid range boxing isnt great. Arguably nonexistent. I believe Conor also had the longest reach of any opponent he's fought.

Floyd is a counter fighter, fighting his normal style of fight would be allowing him to use it to his full potential. Which. Makes little sense, especially given his proven weakness to forward pressure and lack of close range game.

As Teddy said though, this isn't the way he likes to fight. But at the same time, it was an ideal strategy here.

Floyd always adjusts according to his opponent.



Anyone who suggests someone like Floyd has the kind of arrogance to throw caution to the wind, abandon his defense and willingly allow himself to take punches is just being naive. I dont care who you're fighting, that isnt a risk you take. Conor obviously wasn't putting a ton of energy into his shots as a means of lasting to the later rounds, but that doesn't mean you disregard any danger whatsoever.

You really think a master like Floyd would be that arrogant and fool hardy? At 40 years old no less? Even MMA fighters aren't that stupid.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

Yes.

Floyd fought like Floyd always fights. Safe, defensive, counter punching. Conor is much bigger and longer, and likely much better than Floyd realized. After Conor started to gas Floyd took over, but that doesn’t negate some of the clean shots Conor landed in the first few rounds. Very few fighters have landed as clean on Floyd as Conor did, even if it seemed to have little effect. Watching him slip and rip Mayweather in rd. 1 was surreal.

Floyd fought Canelo. Canelo hits harder than Conor and is a much better boxer. Compare the Floyd that fought Canelo to the Floyd fighting Conor.

 

[MescalineDreams]

He’s full of shit, it’s not the first time I’ve disagreed with teddy.
I know what I saw, if you think Floyd fought Conor with the same intensity and regard as Judah, pac, Mosley, Cotto, etc you’re lying.
Post the opinions of other boxers, they’ve all said he was carried.

There was like a thread with 30+ pro boxers giving their opinion after the fight. All of them showed a great deal of respect and seemed surprised in general.

From what I've seen, the vast majority of boxers have not jumped on the Floyd carried him train. Only a few.

You'd think if it were such an infallible truth that every boxer and their mother would be shouting it from the roof tops. But no.

What you're suggesting is far from absolute and widely believed amongst the pros.

Styles make fights. People really expect to see Floyd fight the exact same way he has at 40. That was the worst Floyd has ever looked. His feet, reflexes, even technique. Sloppy all around for him. Nobody ever seems to factor that into any kind of equation though.

 

[ultramanhyata]

First 3 rounds Floyd did not try. He's putting on a show, giving people what they paid for

Just like Floyd did against that Asian dude, right? <45>

Floyd wanted to take Conor out as quickly as he possibly could. Floyd shouldn't have been in a ring more than about 60 seconds with a guy in his first ever professional boxing appearance. Mayweather knew the longer the bout lasted the worse it would look for him.

And it ended up looking really fucking bad for Floyd.

 

[JKS]

There was like a thread with 30+ pro boxers giving their opinion after the fight. All of them showed a great deal of respect and seemed surprised in general.

From what I've seen, the vast majority of boxers have not jumped on the Floyd carried him train. Only a few.

You'd think if it were such an infallible truth that every boxer and their mother would be shouting it from the roof tops. But no.

What you're suggesting is far from absolute and widely believed amongst the pros.

Styles make fights. People really expect to see Floyd fight the exact same way he has at 40. That was the worst Floyd has ever looked. His feet, reflexes, even technique. Sloppy all around for him. Nobody ever seems to factor that into any kind of equation as even being a possibility though.

I like your perspective on the fight! Unbiased and realistic.

Makes you think, how does a rematch go in 2021 a few years later.