Economy Tech billionaires seem to be doom prepping. Should we all be worried?

I'd love to have it as a hobby. But it's expensive and also leaves you hoping to use your hoard. Not healthy
 
Stoic1 said:
Most natural disasters and conflicts are regional. I will simply move away. I'd prefer not to be in a fixed position.
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I think most people would be able to pack up and leave a situation like that. That's called being a refugee.

Zuckerberg is preparing for a situation where no safe havens exist.
 
Stoic1 said:
If you aren't doing some level of natural or man-made disaster preparation you are ignorant of history. These guys just have the resources to go much bigger and provide a thicker layer of preparation.

Most of you guys have no food or water stocks. Most of you have no generator if the lights go out. Most of you have no cash supply on hand. Most of you lack simple survival skills.

Honestly, I hope there is no need for any of it and we continue to live in these opulent times. But history shows us over and over again that bad things always happen.

ETA: I'm set. You all are fucked~
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I'm interested in all of that but don't really know where or how to start. I just bought candles in case the lights permanently goes out. That's not much lol
 
nixkid said:
I think most people would be able to pack up and leave a situation like that. That's called being a refugee.

Zuckerberg is preparing for a situation where no safe havens exist.
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I do not agree.

Most people cannot simply "pack up and leave." First, you have to have a place to go. Second, you will be competing with everyone else on those transportation arteries. Third, you need to have a form of sustainability whether that is money or resources. You can look at recent natural disasters as examples like Hurricane Katrina and Helene. The whole "refugee" experience is the exact OPPOSITE of my preparation strategy.

When I pick up and leave I will remain completely self sufficient for an extended period of time. It won't be indefinate as I don't have billions for an underground bunker.

I do not believe in the "no safe havens" model of disaster preparation. Whether it is economic collapse, war, natural disaster, etc there is always going to be a place that is regionally isolated - unless we are talking about a planet killing asteroid or something.

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I'll change topics here for a moment and ask the broader audience a few questions:

1. Do you have cash on hand? Not in the bank, but physically on you. If the EBT system goes down and you need gasoline or food what happens?

2. Can you survive 72hrs without access to electricity if your grid goes down? 1 week? 1 month? Longer?

3. Food and water. Food you might stock up but water becomes tricky if the water treatment plant has no power, or interrupted logistics do not provide the requisite chemicals, or if employees stop showing up. You might be okay with rainwater collection but lack of access to clean water is the Achilles heel of most urban peppers.

4. If your area is likely to experience a natural disaster do you have a place to go? Is there a plan in place with your family and how will everyone get there?

5. If there is an extended collapse of basic government functions and services to include law enforcement are you in a location to survive? Dense urban locations seem extremely dangerous while rural environments have a stronger sense of community and more resources.

6. Do you possess any usable skills for an extended disaster situation? I'm not so sure the average Sherbro working in retail management or IT holding a blue belt in BJJ is going to fare well
 
Koya said:
I'm interested in all of that but don't really know where or how to start. I just bought candles in case the lights permanently goes out. That's not much lol
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Do not plan on forever.

Plan on 1 week. Then 1 month. And so on. If the lights go out permanently civilization will rebuild. It always does. I'd shoot for 6 months to a year of supplies and get the fuck out of big cities.
 
The human race as a whole is a failure. Allowing a couple of thousand people to completely subjugate 7 billion. Pathetic.
 
Stoic1 said:
I do not agree.

Most people cannot simply "pack up and leave." First, you have to have a place to go. Second, you will be competing with everyone else on those transportation arteries. Third, you need to have a form of sustainability whether that is money or resources. You can look at recent natural disasters as examples like Hurricane Katrina and Helene. The whole "refugee" experience is the exact OPPOSITE of my preparation strategy.

When I pick up and leave I will remain completely self sufficient for an extended period of time. It won't be indefinate as I don't have billions for an underground bunker.

I do not believe in the "no safe havens" model of disaster preparation. Whether it is economic collapse, war, natural disaster, etc there is always going to be a place that is regionally isolated - unless we are talking about a planet killing asteroid or something.

************************************************

I'll change topics here for a moment and ask the broader audience a few questions:

1. Do you have cash on hand? Not in the bank, but physically on you. If the EBT system goes down and you need gasoline or food what happens?

2. Can you survive 72hrs without access to electricity if your grid goes down? 1 week? 1 month? Longer?

3. Food and water. Food you might stock up but water becomes tricky if the water treatment plant has no power, or interrupted logistics do not provide the requisite chemicals, or if employees stop showing up. You might be okay with rainwater collection but lack of access to clean water is the Achilles heel of most urban peppers.

4. If your area is likely to experience a natural disaster do you have a place to go? Is there a plan in place with your family and how will everyone get there?

5. If there is an extended collapse of basic government functions and services to include law enforcement are you in a location to survive? Dense urban locations seem extremely dangerous while rural environments have a stronger sense of community and more resources.

6. Do you possess any usable skills for an extended disaster situation? I'm not so sure the average Sherbro working in retail management or IT holding a blue belt in BJJ is going to fare well
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I do think most people can just pick up and leave. Having to leave your home because of a conflict or weather is not some unprecedented thing. That has happened countless times over the last half century. Even in your example, Hurricane Katrina, the vast majority of people that evacuated before the storm were fine. It was only the people that didn't evacuate that were in trouble.

Now, I'm not going to say that it doesn't suck. Yes, it will suck for most people. Maybe having some snacks will help for a while but having a stockpile of food and water isn't really going to make much of a difference for refugees because only the amount of food that you can carry with you matters. Huge food stockpiles, generators, etc only really helps if you are NOT fleeing. Refugees are typically dependent on aid. If you have to do some crazy long journey out of the country (because America has collapsed or there is a massive civil war) then you'll have to defend whatever you have (because if someone finds out that you have it and there is nothing to prevent them from trying to take it then they will attempt to take it). I know Americans have a hard on for rugged individualism but there is strength in numbers in those situations. Thats why refugee camps form.
 
nixkid said:
I do think most people can just pick up and leave. Having to leave your home because of a conflict or weather is not some unprecedented thing. That has happened countless times over the last half century. Even in your example, Hurricane Katrina, the vast majority of people that evacuated before the storm were fine. It was only the people that didn't evacuate that were in trouble.

Now, I'm not going to say that it doesn't suck. Yes, it will suck for most people. Maybe having some snacks will help for a while but having a stockpile of food and water isn't really going to make much of a difference for refugees because only the amount of food that you can carry with you matters. Huge food stockpiles, generators, etc only really helps if you are NOT fleeing. Refugees are typically dependent on aid. If you have to do some crazy long journey out of the country (because America has collapsed or there is a massive civil war) then you'll have to defend whatever you have (because if someone finds out that you have it and there is nothing to prevent them from trying to take it then they will attempt to take it). I know Americans have a hard on for rugged individualism but there is strength in numbers in those situations. Thats why refugee camps form.
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I'm perfectly sustainable AND mobile - if there is a disaster or unrest I can just leave. I can make unlimited water, electricity, and forage for a good long while. I also have a pretty good stockpile of food and supplies. My problem is that I have no fortifications and am completely dependent on weather.

Agreed that dending a static position once people realize what you have is a suicide unless you have a large community of like minded peppers. Even Zuckerberg's blast doors can be cut.
 
More than likely. If what all the AI people say is true, and that AI will be fully sentient by 2027, then the world is probably fucked. The mega rich are going to take their riches and friends and family and hunker down on a private island and hang out until society collapses. Then come back and rebuild so only the rich nepo babies will thrive and prosper and everyone else will be slaves rebuilding society.

But no one knows the harm of AI, something that can "think" a million times faster than a person, the consequences of that becoming a sentient being, it's not good.
 
heloder said:
They have to protect themselves from the shithole dystopia they're creating for the rest of us.
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This, they know they're ruining this country and the world, they need to stay safe somewhere and just travel by plane or helicopter everywhere, to avoid the hoards of poors that want to kill them.
 
Stoic1 said:
Do not plan on forever.

Plan on 1 week. Then 1 month. And so on. If the lights go out permanently civilization will rebuild. It always does. I'd shoot for 6 months to a year of supplies and get the fuck out of big cities.
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I know I can ask ChatGPT and Gemini and shit but I like being a human who asks fellow humans. You like we used to do in the old days. So I'll ask you : any good resources I might start to learn from ? Like how to do the one week prep, then the 1 month, which items to prioritize, maybe which training (first aid etc.) ? You seem knowledgeable on the topic so I'd like to hear from you. It can be books, articles, websites, youtube channels... Thanks.
 
It is a possibility that when a universal AI is created (or, more likely, multiple universal AI's) it will decide to get rid of us. I hope those tech psychos die in their own shit in their bunkers, if this happens.
 
TUFNewb said:
Is Zuckerberg aware there is like 75,000 people on that island? In the event of a catastrophic collapse they would show up with excavators and acetylene torches and just take all his shit. It'll be the first thing they do.
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That would make a fuckin ton of money on PPV
 
Given that they can barely comb their own fucking hair, I wouldn't worry at all.
 
I am fascinated by preppers (they used to be called "survivalists" where I grew up. Not sure if that changed or it was a regional thing)

I don't think that I have ever met any really, really hard core preppers but the prepper-adjacent types mostly struck me as people unhappy with how their lives had turned out and seemed to relish the thought of a great societal re-set that would make then the "winners". Sure, it would be kinda a hellscape but they would finally turn the tables and be rewarded for their worldview and skills. Like, "I enjoy hunting on the weekends but I really, really enjoy hunting on the weekends while also fantasizing about that rich asshole who drives a Porsche dying of hunger because he does not know how to hunt"

As for billionaire types, I suspect that it is not entirely new. Nobility used to build castles for protection and to create micro environments where they exerted high levels of control.

In the modern context, it is likely driven by some combination of tail-risk thinking, institutional distrust, control psychology, and status signalling.

I would think that the big planning challenge for somebody like Zuckerberg is how to maintain control post apocalypse. Huge bunkers means lots of upkeep which means that you need people. If something happens where you have live in your fancy bunker for an extended period of time, I am guessing that Meta stock is not going to be super valuable. If that is the case, why would those support people still listen to Zuck? Why not just take what he was nice enough to build for you?
 
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