Movies Tarantino vs Fincher

[HHJ]

The Social Network won God Reznor an Oscar but Hollywood won God Brad an Oscar. On the fence.

I like both movies but don't have a desire to watch The social network again but id watch once upon a time in Hollywood any fuckin day

 

[fingercuffs]

I like both movies but don't have a desire to watch The social network again but id watch once upon a time in Hollywood any fuckin day

I've got a massive fascination with entrepreneurial genius and NIN so I was a lock in from day 1. I also adore Brad and the Charles story was a big deal too. The stuff with him and Leonardo was epic. I wanted Brad to get an Oscar for decades so I was well chuffed. Well deserved.

Again, on the fence, it isn't just those two I went nuts watching.

 

[Kryptt]

 

[Spam On Rye]

Tarantino. His early films are solid pop cinema. Can't think of anything Fincher has done that I particularly like other than The Alien Assembly Cut and that Paula Abdul video.

 

[Doughie99]

I saw in the other thread about Fincher directing Tarantino's script and someone made the claim Fincher is a better director than Tarantino and people actually liked that post. What the H!

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Tarantino
1. Reservoir Dogs
2. Pulp Fiction
3. Jackie Brown
4. Kill Bill
5. Death Proof
6. Inglorious Basterds
7. Django Unchained
8. The Hateful 8
9. Once Upon A Time In Hollywood


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Fincher
1. Alien III
2. Se7en
3. The Game
4. Fight Club
5. Zodiac
6. The Curious Case Of Benjamin Button
7. The Social Network
8. The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo
9. Gone Girl
10. Panic Room
11. Mank
12. The Killer

Tarantino has made 9 films
Fincher has made 12 films

Even with Fincher making 3 more films I would still take Tarantino over him. I think Pulp Fiction & Kill Bill alone is better than everything Fincher has done. I think Finchers best work is 7, Fight Club & Gone Girl and I have 0 desire to rewatch any of them.

I like both directors......and Inglorious basterds I'd definitely list as one of my favorite films ...but I'd also list 'Seven' as one of my favorites as well. The casting of 7 was perfect with Morgan freeman, Pitt, and spacey.

 

[Bullitt68]

It is when I see someone post Fincher is a better director than Tarantino and I see theres others who agree. To me it's not even close.

You know, I think we've finally reached a point where it's "cool" to shit on Tarantino. He was always so cool, his films were so cool, everybody was "into it," but now it's been 30 years, and rather than the cachet of liking Tarantino, there's cachet in not liking Tarantino. Tarantino was a rebel, he didn't go to film school, he liked the French New Wave and Hong Kong action movies, his characters talked about Madonna and McDonald's and were violent psychos...he marched to the beat of his own drum and you wanted to be cool enough to get on that wavelength. Now it seems like the rebellious thing to do is to shit on him, to say "He's not that great." But fuck that noise. Tarantino ruled when he came onto the scene, he rules now, and he'll always rule.

I've got a massive fascination with entrepreneurial genius and NIN so I was a lock in from day 1. I also adore Brad and the Charles story was a big deal too. The stuff with him and Leonardo was epic. I wanted Brad to get an Oscar for decades so I was well chuffed. Well deserved.

Again, on the fence, it isn't just those two I went nuts watching.

Have you seen the also-Sorkin-scripted - and IMO vastly superior because Fincher-less - Steve Jobs? Sorkin is the real genius behind both films, but The Social Network is what it looks like when a film is awesome in spite of its director because the script is so amazing while Steve Jobs is what it looks like when an amazing script is enhanced and made into an even better film because its director "gets it" and has the skill to bring out what it is that makes the script so great. Fassbender also crushes the role, as does everyone else in the ensemble cast. If you haven't seen it, I'd definitely recommend it.

I like both directors......and Inglorious basterds I'd definitely list as one of my favorite films ...but I'd also list 'Seven' as one of my favorites as well. The casting of 7 was perfect with Morgan freeman, Pitt, and spacey.

"Perfect" casting in Seven? Brad Pitt's so bad that he ruined the ending with his atrocious acting. He has very limited range, and where someone like Tarantino can write to and for him and give him material to crush, Fincher had no idea how to get a good performance out of Pitt and wasn't good enough or interested enough to notice that he was giving a bad performance, so what's supposed to be an emotionally devastating moment becomes laughably embarrassing in the moment.

 

[fingercuffs]

You know, I think we've finally reached a point where it's "cool" to shit on Tarantino. He was always so cool, his films were so cool, everybody was "into it," but now it's been 30 years, and rather than the cachet of liking Tarantino, there's cachet in not liking Tarantino. Tarantino was a rebel, he didn't go to film school, he liked the French New Wave and Hong Kong action movies, his characters talked about Madonna and McDonald's and were violent psychos...he marched to the beat of his own drum and you wanted to be cool enough to get on that wavelength. Now it seems like the rebellious thing to do is to shit on him, to say "He's not that great." But fuck that noise. Tarantino ruled when he came onto the scene, he rules now, and he'll always rule.



Have you seen the also-Sorkin-scripted - and IMO vastly superior because Fincher-less - Steve Jobs? Sorkin is the real genius behind both films, but The Social Network is what it looks like when a film is awesome in spite of its director because the script is so amazing while Steve Jobs is what it looks like when an amazing script is enhanced and made into an even better film because its director "gets it" and has the skill to bring out what it is that makes the script so great. Fassbender also crushes the role, as does everyone else in the ensemble cast. If you haven't seen it, I'd definitely recommend it.



"Perfect" casting in Seven? Brad Pitt's so bad that he ruined the ending with his atrocious acting. He has very limited range, and where someone like Tarantino can write to and for him and give him material to crush, Fincher had no idea how to get a good performance out of Pitt and wasn't good enough or interested enough to notice that he was giving a bad performance, so what's supposed to be an emotionally devastating moment becomes laughably embarrassing in the moment.

I actually liked Kutcher more than Fassbander as Jobs. I love everything tech wise. Like a bit of a thing about it over 30 years. My only work has been in tech so might have something to do with it.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Huh? For starters, Fincher didn't write Fight Club, so he didn't add/introduce/invent anything. Besides which, Chuck Palahniuk didn't come up with "snowflake" as it's used today either. Whatever you're attributing to Fight Club, I think you missed the mark.

Chuck Palahniuk seems to think he did, and Fincher is the one who directed that movie and brought the term to the masses.




And Chuck takes credit for it in a Rogan interview. It’s his first interview with Rogan, at 1:20:45. Care to back up your perspective with anything?

According to ChatGPT

“
The term "special snowflake" as a derogatory phrase is difficult to attribute to a single individual, but its popularizationtraces back to the 1990s and early 2000s, evolving from earlier cultural uses.

Origins:​

• The earliest conceptual roots come from the 1996 novel Fight Club by Chuck Palahniuk, where the narrator says:
  
  

  "You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake."
  This line critiques the idea of individual exceptionalism, especially among disaffected youth.

• The phrase “special snowflake” became more widely used in online forums and blogs during the 2000s, especially in discussions mocking people perceived as overly sensitive, self-important, or entitled—often Millennials or younger generations.

As a pejorative:​

• The term became common in Reddit, 4chan, and other internet communities in the early 2010s.
• It gained further prominence in political and cultural discourse, especially in conservative commentary, where it was used to mock college students and social activists perceived as overly fragile or easily offended.

 

[Bullitt68]

I actually liked Kutcher more than Fassbander as Jobs.

Steve Jobs is my pick for the greatest script ever written. It's mind-blowingly phenomenal, and I think Fassbender was robbed of the Best Actor Oscar that year. If it weren't for this conversation, I never would've known that there was anyone on the planet who prefers Kutcher to Fassbender, or Jobs to Steve Jobs. This is like finding out that there are people who prefer Fincher to Tarantino.

Chuck Palahniuk seems to think he did

Spoiler: People can be wrong about stuff, especially self-important artists.

Care to back up your perspective with anything?

You mean besides with the different meanings and uses of the word? In Fight Club, it's used in the longstanding sense of being special, unique, one-of-a-kind. That has nothing to do with contemporary usage, where the term has taken on the sense of being emotionally soft and oversensitive. In Fight Club, the point is that we're not snowflakes, as in we're not special or unique, we're just meat sacks who'll end up worm food in the end (a convenient notion to push on malleable societal rejects, as it makes it even easier to manipulate them as Tyler does in creating his silly Project Mayhem). That isn't even remotely close to the way that it's used by people today as an insult when they say that someone is a snowflake, as in they are a soft and sensitive crybaby.

I'll also provide a source of my own: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/news/a52667/chuck-palahniuk-snowflake-alt-right-origin/

According to ChatGPT

Another spoiler: AI can also be wrong about stuff.

 

[TheChance]

Fincher loses on the strength of Alien 3 alone

 

[Doughie99]

You know, I think we've finally reached a point where it's "cool" to shit on Tarantino. He was always so cool, his films were so cool, everybody was "into it," but now it's been 30 years, and rather than the cachet of liking Tarantino, there's cachet in not liking Tarantino. Tarantino was a rebel, he didn't go to film school, he liked the French New Wave and Hong Kong action movies, his characters talked about Madonna and McDonald's and were violent psychos...he marched to the beat of his own drum and you wanted to be cool enough to get on that wavelength. Now it seems like the rebellious thing to do is to shit on him, to say "He's not that great." But fuck that noise. Tarantino ruled when he came onto the scene, he rules now, and he'll always rule.



Have you seen the also-Sorkin-scripted - and IMO vastly superior because Fincher-less - Steve Jobs? Sorkin is the real genius behind both films, but The Social Network is what it looks like when a film is awesome in spite of its director because the script is so amazing while Steve Jobs is what it looks like when an amazing script is enhanced and made into an even better film because its director "gets it" and has the skill to bring out what it is that makes the script so great. Fassbender also crushes the role, as does everyone else in the ensemble cast. If you haven't seen it, I'd definitely recommend it.



"Perfect" casting in Seven? Brad Pitt's so bad that he ruined the ending with his atrocious acting. He has very limited range, and where someone like Tarantino can write to and for him and give him material to crush, Fincher had no idea how to get a good performance out of Pitt and wasn't good enough or interested enough to notice that he was giving a bad performance, so what's supposed to be an emotionally devastating moment becomes laughably embarrassing in the moment.

Ok well I totally disagree with your viewpoint on Pitts acting. I thought it was very well done.

 

[TJ Dillashank]

Hateful 8 is probably one of my favorite movies out there. Fincher has done some good stuff and some overrated stuff but Tarantino is leagues ahead.

 

[fingercuffs]

Steve Jobs is my pick for the greatest script ever written. It's mind-blowingly phenomenal, and I think Fassbender was robbed of the Best Actor Oscar that year. If it weren't for this conversation, I never would've known that there was anyone on the planet who prefers Kutcher to Fassbender, or Jobs to Steve Jobs. This is like finding out that there are people who prefer Fincher to Tarantino.

Spoiler: People can be wrong about stuff, especially self-important artists.



You mean besides with the different meanings and uses of the word? In Fight Club, it's used in the longstanding sense of being special, unique, one-of-a-kind. That has nothing to do with contemporary usage, where the term has taken on the sense of being emotionally soft and oversensitive. In Fight Club, the point is that we're not snowflakes, as in we're not special or unique, we're just meat sacks who'll end up worm food in the end (a convenient notion to push on malleable societal rejects, as it makes it even easier to manipulate them as Tyler does in creating his silly Project Mayhem). That isn't even remotely close to the way that it's used by people today as an insult when they say that someone is a snowflake, as in they are a soft and sensitive crybaby.

I'll also provide a source of my own: https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/news/a52667/chuck-palahniuk-snowflake-alt-right-origin/



Another spoiler: AI can also be wrong about stuff.

He got his mannerisms completely, I'm not saying Fassbender did a bad job, he was brilliant. But even down to the way he sat and walked Ashton nailed it more. I'm saying this married to someone whose hero is Jobs and he thought he was better too. He currently works for Apple as a production director having worked for them before Covid as a production director. We adore Apple haha. Apart from the movie where he was smearing faeces over his prison cell wall I really like Fassbender.

I'm not saying Ashton is a great actor, but that role he completely out of the blue nailed. I realise he's a popcorn actor for the most part.

Both great movies.

 

[Bullitt68]

He got his mannerisms completely, I'm not saying Fassbender did a bad job, he was brilliant. But even down to the way he sat and walked Ashton nailed it more. I'm saying this married to someone whose hero is Jobs and he thought he was better too. He currently works for Apple as a production director having worked for them before Covid as a production director. We adore Apple haha. Apart from the movie where he was smearing faeces over his prison cell wall I really like Fassbender.

I'm not saying Ashton is a great actor, but that role he completely out of the blue nailed. I realise he's a popcorn actor for the most part.

Both great movies.

I just looked up a clip on YouTube to refresh my memory and I couldn't watch more than 15 seconds. Kutcher's awful. If he got some mannerisms, kudos to him for doing his research, but he's still a shitty actor. To say that Fassbender blows him off the screen would still be giving Kutcher too much credit. Especially in the third act, Fassbender somehow morphs into Jobs, everyone who worked on Steve Jobs talked about how creepy it was how an actor who doesn't even look like Jobs managed to almost transform his person or essence. All of this said, I'm just looking at everything as a film viewer, not as someone who actually knows or cares much about the real Jobs, the real Apple, etc. If Jobs offers stuff Steve Jobs doesn't, I'm fine with that, and I'm sure more knowledgeable viewers like you enjoy what it has to offer. Me, I'll take the better film and the better performance, both of which I give to Steve Jobs.

 

[Fedorgasm]

Fincher is a better cinematographer, that's about it.

 

[Bullitt68]

Fincher is a better cinematographer, that's about it.

I wouldn't even give him that. What stands out to you about Fincher's cinematography (besides the urine-stained yellow)? Tarantino in his very first movie had those great rotating camera shots at the diner in the beginning and while Tim Roth is telling the fake cops-in-the-bathroom story, not to mention the great use of the handheld camera with Mr. Blonde, long takes like when Mr. White is realizing just how fucked Mr. Orange is listening to Mr. Pink run down the situation, the pan away from the ear hack which continues to happen offscreen. That's just from his very first film. Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown are also shot brilliantly, Kill Bill is both stylish and elegant, and The Hateful Eight is one of his best-shot films.

 

[Fedorgasm]

I wouldn't even give him that. What stands out to you about Fincher's cinematography (besides the urine-stained yellow)? Tarantino in his very first movie had those great rotating camera shots at the diner in the beginning and while Tim Roth is telling the fake cops-in-the-bathroom story, not to mention the great use of the handheld camera with Mr. Blonde, long takes like when Mr. White is realizing just how fucked Mr. Orange is listening to Mr. Pink run down the situation, the pan away from the ear hack which continues to happen offscreen. That's just from his very first film. Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown are also shot brilliantly, Kill Bill is both stylish and elegant, and The Hateful Eight is one of his best-shot films.

You make a good point. I guess there are Fincher movies where the cinematography is the ONLY thing that impresses me, and it might be causing me to weigh it too heavily.

Whereas with Tarantino, there's just so much more to love... The writing, the music, the tension, the acting, the dark humor, the "holy shit" moments.... that maybe I underrated his camera work.

 

[fingercuffs]

I just looked up a clip on YouTube to refresh my memory and I couldn't watch more than 15 seconds. Kutcher's awful. If he got some mannerisms, kudos to him for doing his research, but he's still a shitty actor. To say that Fassbender blows him off the screen would still be giving Kutcher too much credit. Especially in the third act, Fassbender somehow morphs into Jobs, everyone who worked on Steve Jobs talked about how creepy it was how an actor who doesn't even look like Jobs managed to almost transform his person or essence. All of this said, I'm just looking at everything as a film viewer, not as someone who actually knows or cares much about the real Jobs, the real Apple, etc. If Jobs offers stuff Steve Jobs doesn't, I'm fine with that, and I'm sure more knowledgeable viewers like you enjoy what it has to offer. Me, I'll take the better film and the better performance, both of which I give to Steve Jobs.

It was even his pacing speech wise, but I've watched A LOT of Steve Jobs seminars etc and understand it wasn't as pizazz entertaining as opposed to the reality of how he was.

Again, Fassbender's awesome and the only other thing I can remember for Ashton serious wise was Butterfly Effect.

 

[Natural Order]

Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction destroy Fincher's entire catalogue imo. But I also believe most of Tarantino's work after these two films was overly pretentious and verging on try-hard. Those first two films might be the best 1-2 opening punch by any director ever.

Weird comparison though, two polar opposite styles of film direction and vision.

 

[I Fusion I]

Tarantino but it’s not a mismatch and people are underrating Fincher's films here.