Taekwondo is super disrespected

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The criteria for judging it was self defense, I already explained my situation and experience of having someone trying to KO me and they couldn't because they were eating back kicks all day.


TKD is misused because the higher belt ranks actually are the problem the Olympic guys that everyone thinks are so good, these guys are bouncing around doing jump 360s all of that stuff misses, its the basic techniques that are effective the so-called advanced techniques are useless flashy garbage. Cung le whether people want to believe it or not uses so much TKD but people will scream it's San Shou when literally every kick is from TKD, its even more evident as Le is a BB in TKD so it all makes sense and he uses the basics not flashy jump 360s, the philosophy is bad TKD should be used at a much slower pace let the opponent run into your back kick just like when Sakuraba fought Belfort in Pride he shut him down with one technique.

You can't they it works based on using it in another practitioner of the same art.

The techniques is not what the grading of f is based on, its how the schools spar.

 

[Royce Greasy]

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You can't they it works based on using it in another practitioner of the same art.

The techniques is not what the grading of f is based on, its how the schools spar.

Listen man the criteria in the youtube video was based off of self defense not how they spar, and going off of that I would say TKD is pretty good since I used it in a real life situation and it worked. WTF are you talking about it based on using it on another practitioner dude there was a psycho black guy trying to KO me and no he wasn't using TKD he was trying to KMTFO and guess what it didn't work because he ate back kicks, I don't a rats ass about all the other bullshit you're saying I know from having been in the real situation that it works for self defense period.

 

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Listen man the criteria in the youtube video was based off of self defense not how they spar, and going off of that I would say TKD is pretty good since I used it in a real life situation and it worked. WTF are you talking about it based on using it on another practitioner dude there was a psycho black guy trying to KO me and no he wasn't using TKD he was trying to KMTFO and guess what it didn't work because he ate back kicks, I don't a rats ass about all the other bullshit you're saying I know from having been in the real situation that it works for self defense period.

Does it work well for the average person?

 

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Instead of just ranking various martial arts, why don't they have matches or tournaments among qualified practitioners? Style vs style is how MMA got started.

That wouldn’t answer the question bc an art is only as effective as the practioner vs a random street fight encounter anyway , set rules wouldn’t really answer what’s better but you’d find out the better fighter that’s about it at least in the rules .

Certain styles do have advantages over others though , TKD is mostly based off kicks if the typical practioner lacks good hands and gets a false sense of confidence bc the dojo work outs he’s usually in for a reality check , you would win onky so many fights with just kicks and I’d bet it would be sooner if you run into a legit guy who also has some fighting ability but there’s always elements of surprise so there’s many variables .

 

[Deaths Head]

TKD is more or less Shotokan karate. I don't think having a "hardcore" school is good for their business model. Most TMA martial arts schools are kind of after hour school/daycare programs. They make their money catering to children and teenagers.

TKD in America focuses on WTF type sparring. It's not good for fighting but you can use it as a base to learn something else.

I’ve done Shotokan and been in a few TKD schools one bc I was invited to view the sensais self defense class ( it was very poor ) Shotokan is old school traditional hard strikes you don’t rely on basic fancy high kicks it’s night and day at least if your in a legit place . If your not very flexible TKD is a waste of time that’s the difference it’s why other arts get over on them a lot of the time , flashy moves aren’t always going to work and if someone reads you and knows you need your feet it’s only going to take the slightest move to up end some one and disrupt their balance bc TKD practioners almost always have one foot off the ground they can’t help it .

 

[NoSmilez]

I’ve done Shotokan and been in a few TKD schools one bc I was invited to view the sensais self defense class ( it was very poor ) Shotokan is old school traditional hard strikes you don’t rely on basic fancy high kicks it’s night and day at least if your in a legit place . If your not very flexible TKD is a waste of time that’s the difference it’s why other arts get over on them a lot of the time , flashy moves aren’t always going to work and if someone reads you and knows you need your feet it’s only going to take the slightest move to up end some one and disrupt their balance bc TKD practioners almost always have one foot off the ground they can’t help it .

Tkd came from shotokan karate. It’s part of Korea’s history when they got colonized by Japan.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Does it work well for the average person?

I don't care how it works for the average person, in my situation against an aggressive muscular dude in his early 30s trying to KO me it surprised me tremendously in that I never really got hurt where as he got injured. I will say that I only used 1 technique which I consider the best of the entire style which is the turning side kick, this is also extremely underutilized because most people aren't that bright and want be Bruce Lee so they waste time with impractical stuff.

 

[Royce Greasy]

That wouldn’t answer the question bc an art is only as effective as the practioner vs a random street fight encounter anyway , set rules wouldn’t really answer what’s better but you’d find out the better fighter that’s about it at least in the rules .

Certain styles do have advantages over others though , TKD is mostly based off kicks if the typical practioner lacks good hands and gets a false sense of confidence bc the dojo work outs he’s usually in for a reality check , you would win onky so many fights with just kicks and I’d bet it would be sooner if you run into a legit guy who also has some fighting ability but there’s always elements of surprise so there’s many variables .

TKD is a supplement but there are 2 amazing techniques within the style that are great for self defense they are the side and turning side kick, to use TKD on its own is not practical however those techniques could protect you enough to get away from an attacker which a lot of self defense is based on to not get killed or injured not so much about winning.

 

[Deaths Head]

Tkd came from shotokan karate. It’s part of Korea’s history when they got colonized by Japan.

Most arts branched of somewhere they have zero correlation to how they modernized them . I’ve done both TKD is more of a kicking class cardio session, Shotokan is more of a well balanced practical formula . I know , I remember my first meeting with a TKD master and he had me kick this heavy bag for over an hour which I did and stayed for a month or two after that but eventually knew I was wasting my time there as it wasn’t fir me trying to kick ppl as my go to skills .

Shotokan taught much better balance , strikes and body conditioning etc etc . You feel more like a weapon not a cardio kicker .

Shotokan and Ishin Ryu karate’s are also branched off ones a harder striking art the other uses soft tissue more like muscle not bone . I prefer bone as you can really do damage with blocks but using flesh definitely saves your longevity if your doing body conditioning at least .

 

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Tkd came from shotokan karate. It’s part of Korea’s history when they got colonized by Japan.

It changed a lot since that time. TKD morphed into Bill Wallace style. Karate is more kick as a back up resource

 

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Most arts branched of somewhere they have zero correlation to how they modernized them . I’ve done both TKD is more of a kicking class cardio session, Shotokan is more of a well balanced practical formula . I know , I remember my first meeting with a TKD master and he had me kick this heavy bag for over an hour which I did and stayed for a month or two after that but eventually knew I was wasting my time there as it wasn’t fir me trying to kick ppl as my go to skills .

Shotokan taught much better balance , strikes and body conditioning etc etc . You feel more like a weapon not a cardio kicker .

And Shotokan emphasize stability.. TKD is very jumpy, high up and most practitioners are unstable as a result.

TKD has a greater emphasis on power training though,

 

[Deaths Head]

TKD is a supplement but there are 2 amazing techniques within the style that are great for self defense they are the side and turning side kick, to use TKD on its own is not practical however those techniques could protect you enough to get away from an attacker which a lot of self defense is based on to not get killed or injured not so much about winning.

Yea definitely I’m not saying it doesn’t work obviously many good fighters have dabbled in it and decent martial artists but most the ones I knew were also boxers . Any art technique that works should be used no one’s going to start thinking about what art is better when someone is throwing a strike at you .

 

[Royce Greasy]

Guys if you've never seen this fight please watch this, in this fight Sakuraba uses the turning side kick to basically take the wind out of Belfort's sails as you know Vitor had some of the most devastating punching speed and power, in this fight its obvious Sakuraba was aware of what he was up against so created a game plan before hand. Turning side kick is mostly a TKD technique and works beautifully against an aggressive puncher, yet TKD practitioners barely use it and when they do not very effectively.
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[Deaths Head]

And Shotokan emphasize stability.. TKD is very jumpy, high up and most practitioners are unstable as a result.

TKD has a greater emphasis on power training though,

What’s considered power training ? Repetition ? I haven’t experienced power more then flexibility and a kicks accuracy from TKD , my Shotokan guys didn’t play around we did knuckle push ups on gravel , had to walk down a long line with our arms out with every one slamming there forearms on the bone of ours for conditioning we had a military press we all had to do certain amounts which back then was not common good for me bc I was already lifting years bf and could rack it , we did a lot of stuff . You certainly didn’t get any of this in TKD dojos .g

 

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What’s considered power training ? Repetition ? I haven’t experienced power more then flexibility and a kicks accuracy from TKD , my Shotokan guys didn’t play around we did knuckle push ups on gravel , had to walk down a long line with our arms out with every one slamming there forearms on the bone of ours for conditioning we had a military press we all had to do certain amounts which back then was not common, we did a lot of stuff . You certainly didn’t get any of this in TKD dojos .

Traditional Shotokan does not have mitts practise.

 

[Royce Greasy]

I'll admit while taking TKD for four years in my teens I thought a lot of it was bullshit, its true the classes were too focused on forms and kicking air. My attitude changed though when I had that real fight experience, by accident I discovered that under a pressure situation someone trying to KO you that a couple of the techniques can in fact protect you, in my case I injured the guys leg to where he was limping.

 

[Deaths Head]

Traditional Shotokan does not have mitts practise.

We had everything, mitts body guards for kicking , kicking pads , heavy bag etc etc ……

 

[Patrick Jane]

I guess Hapkido looking much cooler is the biggest problem with Taekwondo.

 

[Royce Greasy]

What’s considered power training ? Repetition ? I haven’t experienced power more then flexibility and a kicks accuracy from TKD , my Shotokan guys didn’t play around we did knuckle push ups on gravel , had to walk down a long line with our arms out with every one slamming there forearms on the bone of ours for conditioning we had a military press we all had to do certain amounts which back then was not common good for me bc I was already lifting years bf and could rack it , we did a lot of stuff . You certainly didn’t get any of this in TKD dojos .g

At the TKD school I was at in the early 2000's we had a sparring class where people would line up parallel 20 altogether, once you sparred someone for 3 minutes you move to the next and so on they would expect you to spar 5 or 6 times before sitting out, this was after hours and the better people would kick the shit out of the lower belts. How did Shotokan work in that regard? also did you guys wear any sparring gear like chest protectors shin guards because my uncle took some form of Karate and told me they would spar with nothing and that you had to control you power.

 

[Deaths Head]

I'll admit while taking TKD for four years in my teens I thought a lot of it was bullshit, its true the classes were too focused on forms and kicking air. My attitude changed though when I had that real fight experience, by accident I discovered that under a pressure situation someone trying to KO you that a couple of the techniques can in fact protect you, in my case I injured the guys leg to where he was limping.

You only need a few practical simple techniques that work . Belt rankings are just more techniques taught , my sensai said the most dangerous guy is the white belt who can do the basics very good and could fight , he was right bc I was that guy I went up against his best black belt fighter a tournament multiple chamin a basement and wiped the floor with him .

I'll admit while taking TKD for four years in my teens I thought a lot of it was bullshit, its true the classes were too focused on forms and kicking air. My attitude changed though when I had that real fight experience, by accident I discovered that under a pressure situation someone trying to KO you that a couple of the techniques can in fact protect you, in my case I injured the guys leg to where he was limping.