Taekwondo is super disrespected

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I guess Hapkido looking much cooler is the biggest problem with Taekwondo.

Hapkido has a population of 5 schools in the world

 

[Deaths Head]

At the TKD school I was at in the early 2000's we had a sparring class where people would line up parallel 20 altogether, once you sparred someone for 3 minutes you move to the next and so on they would expect you to spar 5 or 6 times before sitting out, this was after hours and the better people would kick the shit out of the lower belts. How did Shotokan work in that regard? also did you guys wear any sparring gear like chest protectors shin guards because my uncle took some form of Karate and told me they would spar with nothing and that you had to control you power.

Basically we sat waiting to be called we had all the gear on except chest unless you were female, I beat up all the guys so the sensai wasn’t to thrilled bc I was a white belt I quit about a year into it and did my own thing I’d later hook up with another sensai ( the one I mentioned) yrs later he also was in that dojo after I left and had bad experience so we trained privately I learned a lot from him .

I would have loved to spar till I lost bc I’d have cleared his whole school ( his one black belt kid from high school I really wanted a piece of ) but he protected him from me this is about 1992 . Real arrogant type . He owned the school.

 

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Hapkido has a population of 5 schools in the world

Jackie Chan is a Hapkido expert though!

 

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Jackie Chan is a Hapkido expert though!

Yes he is

 

[noc]

TKD is a supplement but there are 2 amazing techniques within the style that are great for self defense they are the side and turning side kick, to use TKD on its own is not practical however those techniques could protect you enough to get away from an attacker which a lot of self defense is based on to not get killed or injured not so much about winning.

Now you say they are right
Where you would put TKD?

They don't know nothing about JKD

BJJ beats Muay Thai if is style vs style, and has been useful in self defence.. women beating robbers, there was a dude who beat someone who had a pistol etc. They are probably thinking in multiple opponents

I think a WT world champion with boxing fundamentals (just to have a better defence, he would kick mostly, he can be a better kicker because of that) can be great

 

[shunyata]

It's the fault of the WT and ITF officials, they need to make changes, Karate people too

Forget forms and hitting air in military like formations, do full contact kicking.. the WT kicks combined with Boxing fundamentals is a great style. But TKD should have tournaments of just kicking

That's really the issue. Competition rulesets influence training. TKD suffers from not head punching, Judo suffered from the leg grab ban, BJJ suffers a bit by allowing guard pulls without giving up takedown points.

All of these lead people to fight differently than if they were in a kickboxing or mma bout.

There are kickboxing gyms that have a TKD or karate background but they're sparring with kicboxing rules and competing in kickboxing, and that changes everything.

 

[SandisLL]

TKD imho had suffered a lot cos scoring rules.
Despite they does have even open hands technique and some close range fighting....

Easier to win on cards is if you are doing high kicks from long range, long range punches etc. .
Ofc competitive clubs are interested to have winners. Cups, medals etc.

I don't agree that they can't fight. I had exp with guys who had cross training etc alike stuff.

 

[Royce Greasy]

Now you say they are right
Where you would put TKD?

They don't know nothing about JKD

BJJ beats Muay Thai if is style vs style, and has been useful in self defence.. women beating robbers, there was a dude who beat someone who had a pistol etc. They are probably thinking in multiple opponents

I think a WT world champion with boxing fundamentals (just to have a better defence, he would kick mostly, he can be a better kicker because of that) can be great

Not sure what you're trying to convey with the emojis at the beginning. I agree that BJJ beats MT both on their own, ITF TKD does have punching so that's better than WTF its the kind of kicks used that matter, the two I mentioned are the best imo for self defense situations.

 

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That's really the issue. Competition rulesets influence training. TKD suffers from not head punching, Judo suffered from the leg grab ban, BJJ suffers a bit by allowing guard pulls without giving up takedown points.

All of these lead people to fight differently than if they were in a kickboxing or mma bout.

There are kickboxing gyms that have a TKD or karate background but they're sparring with kicboxing rules and competing in kickboxing, and that changes everything.

And the practioners tend to have incredibly low fight IQ.

 

[noc]

That's really the issue. Competition rulesets influence training. TKD suffers from not head punching, Judo suffered from the leg grab ban, BJJ suffers a bit by allowing guard pulls without giving up takedown points.

All of these lead people to fight differently than if they were in a kickboxing or mma bout.

There are kickboxing gyms that have a TKD or karate background but they're sparring with kicboxing rules and competing in kickboxing, and that changes everything.

The rulesets creates styles
I think the TKD and Karate style can be used in kickboxing

Not sure what you're trying to convey with the emojis at the beginning. I agree that BJJ beats MT both on their own, ITF TKD does have punching so that's better than WTF its the kind of kicks used that matter, the two I mentioned are the best imo for self defense situations.

You say TKD on its own is not practical, and that's what they judge.. the whole style

But ITF doesn't have boxing fundamentals. I prefer the kicking from WT... more variety, more craziness

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Karate is the best for self defense. TKD is good if you can kick pristinely most people cant. I am a black belt in both.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I had a year of TKD training as a middle-schooler and I quit when I realized how useless it was as a effective martial art.

TKD is effective against someone using TKD.

It teaches nothing about effective punching. Only straight punches to the head. No hooks or bodypunches.
It teaches nothing about what to do when the fight goes to the ground.
It teaches nothing in regards to the cliche, with nothing related to knees or elbows.
It teaches.... kicks.... the riskiest strike in a real fight with high reward if it lands with alot of power, and if it doesn't you're off-balance with a high percentage chance of beingbody punches.
And if the worst thing to happen to a TKD fighter is to be taken down, then it should teach effective takedown defense right? Nope, no takedown defense whatsoever.

Its the weakest form of kickboxing imaginable.

 

[Royce Greasy]

The rulesets creates styles
I think the TKD and Karate style can be used in kickboxing

You say TKD on its own is not practical, and that's what they judge.. the whole style

But ITF doesn't have boxing fundamentals. I prefer the kicking from WT... more variety, more craziness

I was referring to the WTF style it's very limited although I used it successfully again it was one technique, I still believe you'd need something else.

Yes I agree ITF punching is very limited however the ability to throw face punches and chain them with kicks is very important. One of the reasons I think WTF TKD is so ineffective is due to the advanced techniques like the jumping techniques that stuff is very low percentage so while it looked cool its not practical.

 

[Rallarsvingare]

I think TKD is the most athletic striking art. They are usually very flexible and can pull of flashy moves practitioners of other styles cant.

But besides that I never met anyone that was able to fight. Their hands has always been terrible, their kicks doesnt have much power except for the spinning kicks. If you corner them against a wall or the ropes they become punching bags.

 

[Royce Greasy]

I think TKD is the most athletic striking art. They are usually very flexible and can pull of flashy moves practitioners of other styles cant.

But besides that I never met anyone that was able to fight. Their hands has always been terrible, their kicks doesnt have much power except for the spinning kicks. If you corner them against a wall or the ropes they become punching bags.

"their kicks doesnt have much power except for the spinning kicks" well then you don't know much about TKD if you think the spinning kicks are the powerful ones, the back kick or turning side kick is by far the most powerful kick more so imo then any kick in martial arts its not a spinning kick but a turn of the hips to execute it kind of like a horse kick if you can imagine, watch Sakuraba vs Belfort in Pride and this kick basically won the fight for Sakuraba.

 

[WDSTK]

In my own ITF TKD school, we had kickboxing events to make extra money for the school (yes we punched to the face). In one fight, the TKD blackbelt did a turning sidekick that broke the other blackbelts rib. The broken rib just hung loosely on the belly. To his credit, the injured blackbelt was a former army ranger and a cop and still wanted to keep fighting. I was told a 4 board break or higher with a side kick (probably any kick) will break bone. All the TKD kicks I was taught were effective if done with great speed and good technicallity and I saw evidence of that thru the years watching guys with TKD backgrounds fight. Many TKD black belts I knew were not fast enough that I could see it working in a fight unless the opponent was drunk.

 

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That's really the issue. Competition rulesets influence training. TKD suffers from not head punching, Judo suffered from the leg grab ban, BJJ suffers a bit by allowing guard pulls without giving up takedown points.

All of these lead people to fight differently than if they were in a kickboxing or mma bout.

There are kickboxing gyms that have a TKD or karate background but they're sparring with kicboxing rules and competing in kickboxing, and that changes everything.

Bare in mind, Taekwondo was sold as THIS. Most people can't get that out of the product.

And that guy would stop any Gene Lebell in his tracks with one well placed kick

 

[DoctorTaco]

"their kicks doesnt have much power except for the spinning kicks" well then you don't know much about TKD if you think the spinning kicks are the powerful ones, the back kick or turning side kick is by far the most powerful kick more so imo then any kick in martial arts its not a spinning kick but a turn of the hips to execute it kind of like a horse kick if you can imagine, watch Sakuraba vs Belfort in Pride and this kick basically won the fight for Sakuraba.

In my own ITF TKD school, we had kickboxing events to make extra money for the school (yes we punched to the face). In one fight, the TKD blackbelt did a turning sidekick that broke the other blackbelts rib. The broken rib just hung loosely on the belly. To his credit, the injured blackbelt was a former army ranger and a cop and still wanted to keep fighting. I was told a 4 board break or higher with a side kick (probably any kick) will break bone. All the TKD kicks I was taught were effective if done with great speed and good technicallity and I saw evidence of that thru the years watching guys with TKD backgrounds fight. Many TKD black belts I knew were not fast enough that I could see it working in a fight unless the opponent was drunk.

Hardest kicks I’ve ever felt were when a TKD school would come cross train with our mma gym. Holding the kick shield for those turning back kicks is awful.

Last time I got dropped I was wearing a belly pad and one of my fighters sniped me to the liver with a side kick during our pad session. Fucker.

 

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I don't know if anyone of these do fighting but they specialize in concentrated force.

If they sweep the technique the board won't break, so they must really lock in their hip at moment of impact

 

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If you do a lot of forward pressure and don't allow a kicker to get set, he will lose alot of power.

That's how you beat them