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what do you guys think of them for conditioning
cockysprinter, why would you not recommend Tabata sprints to someone looking to improve their conditioning? I don't understand why you would not use a form of interval training that has benefits for both the anaerobic and aerobic energy systems?
I find tabata intervals great to add to my conditioning training, whether as sprints, hill sprints, on a rowing machine, cross trainer, stationary bike etc.
But Tabata intervals are not for beginners and they are high intencity.
i wouldnt do HIIT protocols because it results in lower quality work, but intensive tempo and extensive tempo would make more sense. there would be a fine line between those two if youre not a track athlete though. normally youd run between 1000 and 3000m at 70-90%. as fighter id recomend picking a pace (200m in 30 seconds with 2 minutes rest for example) and run as many reps as you can at that pace. then youll know how fast you can run and you can modify reps, paces, and rest periods as needed.
on the other hand i dont recomend only interval training. a fighter realistically fights longer than youll ever be able to handle interval training. running up to 5 miles definately has its place.
because of lack of quality work. theres no way you can do any kind of workout like that without pacing yourself or fading. if youre not running quality reps you dont know if your conditioning is improving
^I have the exact opposite opinion. I believe as the time per rep increases, the aplicability of Tabata intervals goes down. Consider burpees: Doing sets of 10 burpees with 10 seconds of rest in between is much harder doing them Tabata-style, because a good set of 10 burpees is going to take longer than the 20 seconds that Tabata intervals allow for.
Also, what is wrong with fading, for the purposes of a combat athlete? If you don't train to the point where you "fade" eventually, you're not doing any real conditioning. Judging by your name, I would guess you are a competitive sprinter, so you are probably (and rightfully) concerned with your sprint times/form. As a grappler, I like to see my times go down, but that's secondary to the actual condioning benefit I want to get from sprinting. It doesn't bother me if my 8th Tabata interval is a bit slower than my 1st. It's more a question of "How much gas do I have, and am I improving that attribute?" I don't sprint to get better at sprinting, I sprint to improve my energy systems for grappling.
However, if my first priority was time, I would not use Tabatas, at least not when I was going for PR times or trying to perfect form.
While I think that longer runs such as 3 to 5 mile or 5 to 8km are good for aerobic conditioning they do not address the changing intencity of a fight. And I also think that the intervals you discribed are also good, but the long rest periods aren't mma sport specific.
If the tabata intervals are performed in the manner that the Dr I. Tabata designed them, then no you cannot (and should not) pace yourself. The idea was to perform up to 8 intervals of 20 seconds of all out intencity, with 10 seconds rest between work periods. There is no way you can avoid fading, why should you? A fighter is going to fade in a fight during the latter stages of a round. And learning to push yourself and work under the stress of high intencity intervals is good physiological and psychological preparation for the demands of a fight.
Look at why the tabata intervals were designed, to boost speed skating performance through greater anaerobic capacity and an increase in VO2Max. In the original study olympic level athletes did the intervals on a stationary bike, for 6 to 8 cycles of 20 secs work 10 secs rest. Why only 6 cycles sometimes instead of 8? Because there were times when they could not perform all 8 due to fatigue, and remember that these were top level athletes who knew what hard training was about. My point is that they faded, but fading is part of the tabata protocol.
I also add into my training 400m intervals with 90 or 60 secs rest and 100m intervals with 60 secs rest as well as 4 km mountain runs. I am not suggestiing that tabata intervals be the only form of conditioning training a fighter does but I believe they should be part of a conditioning program, along with longer intervals and LSD conditioning.
also note the sports tabata protocols would be prescribed for: 400-1500m, sprint cycling, etc. those sports are not remotely related to combat sports.
I had thought you were against tabata intervals regardless of what form (i.e. running, rowing or bodyweight).once again, im all for tabata protocols, just not paired with running.
Cockysprinter wrote.
True but the changing intencity levels of the protocol do make it a more sports specific conditioning drill than an 8 mile run.
As for various ways to perform tabata drills I have tried bodyweight and weighted exercises, such as squats and I have also used other machines such as a concept 2 rower and stationary bike.
I just read your reply where you stated
I had thought you were against tabata intervals regardless of what form (i.e. running, rowing or bodyweight).
As I said before I use them as part of an overall conditioning program they are not the focus of my conditioning. My 5 minute sparring rounds are the focus of my mma conditioning.