Superman vs Hulk

[Fluffernutter]

Superman uses his freeze breath to calm down Hulk. He then turns back to Banner

 

[KnightTemplar]

Plot induced stupidity is why supes is so strong now, with NO explaination why he just keeps getting stronger as the villains and other comics characters do, just to keep up.

Kryptonians weren’t bad asses on their own planet.

they come to earth and get special powers from our yellow sun. Is how it’s originally explained.

He was “able to leap tall buildings in a single bound “ aka couldn’t even fly originally.
And faster than a locomotive. Then a speeding bullet. Etc etc.


his powers have grown simple to keep up with other characters with no reasoning beside plot stupidity as you put it for him to get OP stronger everytime.

At least with Dragonball the Sayains constantly train to break barriers and get stronger. They aren’t just “given” new strength with no explanation.

Also Saitima would ko supes with “One Punch”...

I used to really like Superman as a kid, and their constant over powering him with no explanation kinda turned me off on him.

Plus all you would need to do is take him to a solar system without a yellow sun, like back to krypton for example, and he’s not much stronger than a normal human.

I remember a story in which Superman and Wonder Woman manage to drag the Moon out of orbit Obviously, Marvel has it's heroes and villains do retarded shit all the time as well, but in general terms, the Marvel Universe is slightly more grounded than DC's.

It's the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars; both are Science Fiction, with technology that simply cannot exist in the real world. But Star Trek at least makes an effort to play by, ahem, "The Laws of Physics, Captain!", even if that means bending them to breaking point and beyond. Star Wars doesn't even bother to try. So you get Space Wizards with Laser Katanas

 

[KnightTemplar]

Right.... bad writing. How superman and most speedsters lose fights. They inexplicably don't use their speed because the writer wants the fight to be exciting. It's weird how many comic fans act like they don't get how much jobbing happens in those stories for the sake of the plot.

Some of the worst examples of PIS(Plot Induced Stupidity)were in the Flash TV series. The Fastest Man Alive struggled against Captain Cold and his buddy with the mini-flamethrower(I forgot his name). So the Flash can move so fast normal humans can't even see him, but he can't take down a couple of criminals with high-tech gats? Any Speedster would be able to break your arms before you even managed to draw a gun, much less fire it.

 

[Mike]

Some of the worst examples of PIS(Plot Induced Stupidity)were in the Flash TV series. The Fastest Man Alive struggled against Captain Cold and his buddy with the mini-flamethrower(I forgot his name). So the Flash can move so fast normal humans can't even see him, but he can't take down a couple of criminals with high-tech gats? Any Speedster would be able to break your arms before you even managed to draw a gun, much less fire it.

It's also Canon in the comics that flashes rogues can hang with him because they trained specifically to fight the flash. Even though many of them have no speed powers, so they shouldn't even be able to perceive his movements.

 

[I Am Legion]

No ne talks about his X-ray vision anymore......dem tittays tho....

 

[2DUM2TAP]

I remember a story in which Superman and Wonder Woman manage to drag the Moon out of orbit Obviously, Marvel has it's heroes and villains do retarded shit all the time as well, but in general terms, the Marvel Universe is slightly more grounded than DC's.

It's the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars; both are Science Fiction, with technology that simply cannot exist in the real world. But Star Trek at least makes an effort to play by, ahem, "The Laws of Physics, Captain!", even if that means bending them to breaking point and beyond. Star Wars doesn't even bother to try. So you get Space Wizards with Laser Katanas

Meh. Marvel does that shit too. Look at reality warping mutants like Franklin Richards or the powers of Scarlett Witch when she said no more Mutants. Sentry. Thor is ridiculous in some versions. Omega Level Mutants. Eternal and Celestials. In the world of crazy powers they're actually worse than DC. DC used to give their writers an out like Kryptonite for Superman, The colour Yellow or Wood for Green Lantern, or Fire for Martian Manhunter.

 

[Phlog]

Supe hits into space and it's over.

The whole point of superman is that he is the Uber menche, he is the strongest end of.

He can fly too where as Hulk needs something to push off to apply his strength.

 

[aldeniro78]

Couldn't Superman just literally rip him in half?

Hulk would crush his skull if Clark got into his reach.

 

[Nada.]

Right.... bad writing. How superman and most speedsters lose fights. They inexplicably don't use their speed because the writer wants the fight to be exciting. It's weird how many comic fans act like they don't get how much jobbing happens in those stories for the sake of the plot.

To even talk about this is pretty pointless when you have guys trading Planet busting punches standing on a planet.
There wouldn't be any Story to tell if you would Stick to their true powers.

On comicvine they usually add no bfr or blitzing for that reason.

 

[FemdomFilmFan]

I remember a story in which Superman and Wonder Woman manage to drag the Moon out of orbit Obviously, Marvel has it's heroes and villains do retarded shit all the time as well, but in general terms, the Marvel Universe is slightly more grounded than DC's.

It's the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars; both are Science Fiction, with technology that simply cannot exist in the real world. But Star Trek at least makes an effort to play by, ahem, "The Laws of Physics, Captain!", even if that means bending them to breaking point and beyond. Star Wars doesn't even bother to try. So you get Space Wizards with Laser Katanas

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I guess. Superman at his best might be the G rated superman anyway. I feel like we should be moving away from the big Superman city crushing battles and more towards "your grandparents and kids can all watch Superman together."

Indeed, I think a "wholesome family superman" is really the point of the character and why his power level is so extreme and ill defined because its not typically the focus.

If they wanted to make a gritty superman they did in the wrong way, not via grimdark "more powah" action but by taking the wholesome version and putting him into murkier politics.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Indeed, I think a "wholesome family superman" is really the point of the character and why his power level is so extreme and ill defined because its not typically the focus.

If they wanted to make a gritty superman they did in the wrong way, not via grimdark "more powah" action but by taking the wholesome version and putting him into murkier politics.

Yeah, he's Superman, we don't really need to know the exact metric tonnage he's capable of hurling to mars, because it ain't real and that's just not the point. The point is to show that if you have a lot of power it's still fun to do the right thing, and that kids/people like powerful people who do the right thing. I guess.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Yeah, he's Superman, we don't really need to know the exact metric tonnage he's capable of hurling to mars, because it ain't real and that's just not the point. The point is to show that if you have a lot of power it's still fun to do the right thing, and that kids/people like powerful people who do the right thing. I guess.

A shared universe just doesnt seem like a good idea for DC if you ask me, their characters are naturally much more divided in terms of style and tone than Marvels are.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

A shared universe just doesnt seem like a good idea for DC if you ask me, there characters are naturally much more divided in terms of style and tone than Marvels are.

I thought they pulled it off with the JLU TV series, but I see what you mean.

 

[Mike]

To even talk about this is pretty pointless when you have guys trading Planet busting punches standing on a planet.
There wouldn't be any Story to tell if you would Stick to their true powers.

On comicvine they usually add no bfr or blitzing for that reason.

Every time people want to debate this kind of stuff on here, they insist the character they don't like can't fully utilize their powers. So the character they do like can win. Seems pretty pointless to me. And comic vine isn't the be all end all.

CBR and other forums where this stuff is discussed regularly have set parameters like no PIS or CIS, so it doesn't devolve into 50 pages of people arguing that the character they don't like will act like a village idiot because that's what happens in the comics for the sake of storytelling. This is a simulated battle so storytelling and inexplicably not using abilities should not be a factor.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I thought they pulled it off with the JLU TV series, but I see what you mean.

I'd say the problem on the big screen is that alot of the appeal of cinema is fleshing out the tone of a story which in that situation tends to drive the characters further apart.

Beyond the tone as well the nature of the characters just doesnt seem as well suited to it for me, Superman and Batman to most people I think give the impression of being grounded in their own worlds and very in control. With Marvel though Stark, Cap, Hulk, Spidey, Widow, etc naturally fit into more of a fish out of water story were being exposed to elements with a different tone or a grander scale works.

 

[Nada.]

Every time people want to debate this kind of stuff on here, they insist the character they don't like can't fully utilize their powers. So the character they do like can win. Seems pretty pointless to me. And comic vine isn't the be all end all.

CBR and other forums where this stuff is discussed regularly have set parameters like no PIS or CIS, so it doesn't devolve into 50 pages of people arguing that the character they don't like will act like a village idiot because that's what happens in the comics for the sake of storytelling. This is a simulated battle so storytelling and inexplicably not using abilities should not be a factor.

Yea, but it is simulated battle by characters with certain fighting skills and styles. Supes not blitzing anyone is in character. Just because he can doesnt mean he will. Same goes for lasering like a maniac etc.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Superman SHOULD win, because he's got all the ridiculous powers. But he might not win, because he's a moron.

Someone with his powers should be fighting like this...

Spoiler

Instead he fights like this.

Spoiler

He's a cheat character controlled by a clueless player.

Ive hated superman since around 11 lol. His comics were the worst to read, he was drawn like crap and yes....he was a dumb cheat character so the mystique wore off real quick. Fav superman was the one from the 2nd movie with Christopher Reeve. After that it was pretty much downhill.

 

[KnightTemplar]

(Still waiting on them developing Force Chokes)

 

[Mike]

Yea, but it is simulated battle by characters with certain fighting skills and styles. Supes not blitzing anyone is in character. Just because he can doesnt mean he will. Same goes for lasering like a maniac etc.

That's purely because if he did so his fights would end in a panel or two. It's a storytelling device often used in comics because power levels are all over the place.

The majority of his enemies can't hang with him in a straight fight. That's the entire reason they came up with kryptonite.