Television Stranger Things 4 (New Trailer)

[NickNick]

I enjoyed it, but I’m still salty of the “marvel movie” tone of the entire season. Season 1 was a horror mystery show. This shit is MCU fodder

It's hard to keep the mysterious/horror thing going they had in season 1 if you want to dive deeper into the story. It's kind of similar to Lost season 1/2 compared to the rest of the show.

 

[Bob Gray]

You could argue, should the loosely explained Hive Mind also be in affect for Bats, that Eddie himself, like Hopper with his sword, helped weaken the Hive thus also contributing to ending Vecna(at least for now).

 

[Jose Beehive]

Lol, it's tentative, but also so is saying his sacrifice didn't accomplish anything.

 

[zapataxiv]

Sure, but this is a TV show. His death was obviously supposed to be a sort of heroic moment, but it was ultimately didnt accomplish anything which made it sort of arbitrary and pointless other than to fulfill the arc they were obviously intending to do. But they didnt stick the landing. His death accomplished nothing so it was useless.

this narrative of Eddie's death being useless is spining outta control
it accomplished the nancy clique getting the drop on Vecs and saving the day, as vecs was about to finish off max and preform the coop de graw on El. if it was a speaker the bats would ve prolly just came back tot he house, seemed like they wanted the blood.
He thought he had Dusty poo in a fae place by cutting the rope ladder. then by taking em on run he gave the gang the time they needed, seeing as they get tentacled coming in.

eddie gave em the edge they needed to get vecs when he was making his O face and couldnt make any defenses. then while he was still in that post nut hazy ness they llight him on fire and blasted him

this is why the next round with vecs is intriguing
he whooped EL almost killed max
and will be ready for the kids next time. but we will have the adult team with them.

so el is going to have to go super sayin
hopper is going have to move closer to batman than he is now

 

[fortheo]

Well, I didn't like it that much. I'm not a fan of the cheesy Russian plotline, so the whole time I was just waiting for hopper to escape the prison and get back to Hawkins. You can imagine my frustration when he escaped, only to immediately get caught and brought back to the prison, then to escape again, only to immediately go back to the prison AGAIN.

Having 11 save the day at the last moment every season is also boring at this point. Steve is still great, but I don't like the love triangle with Nancy and I honestly would have preferred Steve to move on, maybe even get some other passion in life other than trying to find love.

Someone else mentioned that there was a ton of exposition this season and I agree with that.

Honestly, I just like the characters, so that's why I keep watching, but after season one, It's all kind of felt derivative, and not in the good way that it was in season one, but in a cheesy, superficial, "let's sell this shit" kind of way.

 

[legatoblues]

That's the thing about sacrifices tho..they don't always work out as intended

He finally had some courage .. that was his arc

It wasn't really an arc though, as he ended up in the sane position as where he started. And the "growth" is just something we're told about but never see.

Witnesses a fucked up event. Runs. That's reasonable, not cowardly.
Fucked up thing can't be explained and he's now prime suspect. Hides. Reasonable, not cowardly.
Mob comes to kill him. Runs. Reasonable, not cowardly.

Then he tells us he's a coward and decides to be a hero. Regardless of if you think his sacrifice made a difference or not, the position of his character never changed.

The people who knew he was innocent still know he's innocent.
The people who thought he was a murderer still think he's a murderer.

Thats not a resolution.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

The problem with Eddie was a complete lack of stakes in his death.

We get this character for a small portion of the series. His death isn't impactful because we're not incredibly attached.

Now switch Eddie out for Dustin and there's a holy shit high stakes moment.

At least this season was better than 2 and Kenobi.

 

[Bob Gray]

this narrative of Eddie's death being useless is spining outta control
it accomplished the nancy clique getting the drop on Vecs and saving the day, as vecs was about to finish off max and preform the coop de graw on El. if it was a speaker the bats would ve prolly just came back tot he house, seemed like they wanted the blood.
He thought he had Dusty poo in a fae place by cutting the rope ladder. then by taking em on run he gave the gang the time they needed, seeing as they get tentacled coming in.

eddie gave em the edge they needed to get vecs when he was making his O face and couldnt make any defenses. then while he was still in that post nut hazy ness they llight him on fire and blasted him

this is why the next round with vecs is intriguing
he whooped EL almost killed max
and will be ready for the kids next time. but we will have the adult team with them.

so el is going to have to go super sayin
hopper is going have to move closer to batman than he is now

It didn't accomplish them getting the drop. They got tentacled. The bats don't make a difference at that point.

 

[Bob Gray]

I was blown away that the guy playing Vecna is using his own voice without editing.

 

[ChickenBrother]

It wasn't really an arc though, as he ended up in the sane position as where he started. And the "growth" is just something we're told about but never see.

Witnesses a fucked up event. Runs. That's reasonable, not cowardly.
Fucked up thing can't be explained and he's now prime suspect. Hides. Reasonable, not cowardly.
Mob comes to kill him. Runs. Reasonable, not cowardly.

Then he tells us he's a coward and decides to be a hero. Regardless of if you think his sacrifice made a difference or not, the position of his character never changed.

The people who knew he was innocent still know he's innocent.
The people who thought he was a murderer still think he's a murderer.

Thats not a resolution.

The problem with Eddie was a complete lack of stakes in his death.

We get this character for a small portion of the series. His death isn't impactful because we're not incredibly attached.

Now switch Eddie out for Dustin and there's a holy shit high stakes moment.

At least this season was better than 2 and Kenobi.

It didn't accomplish them getting the drop. They got tentacled. The bats don't make a difference at that point.

+10

The other issue with Eddie's death is it wasn't even heroic. He's a leader and a hero to Dustin and has a loving uncle, but he's a loser to the rest of the world. In the real world, he's got murder jocks after him, everyone else thumbing their noses at him and thinking he's a weirdo drug dealer who can't graduate HS.

Facing his daily reality has always been the hard part. He spends the whole season running and hiding from it (literally and figuratively). Then his "redemption arc" is him doubling down, quitting and refusing to face it at all. He abandons Dustin, his uncle and himself for a "redemption" he doesn't even get, and understandably so because it wasn't earned.

 

[My Spot]

It's hard to keep the mysterious/horror thing going they had in season 1 if you want to dive deeper into the story. It's kind of similar to Lost season 1/2 compared to the rest of the show.

Yeah that’s why I adore S1, it’s basically a campy horror movie. Whereas now it’s it feels like an MCU Avengers movie.

 

[zapataxiv]

It didn't accomplish them getting the drop. They got tentacled. The bats don't make a difference at that point.

Vecna was in his trance he didn’t know they were there yet if the bats came back making all the noise it would of roused him and changed the game

 

[My Spot]

I'm rewatching S2 now and holy shit I forgot how fucking good E6 is/was. Love the motion tracker nod to Aliens.
Too bad the next episode is the slog with El finding her "sister" in Chicago.

 

[Pittie Petey]

I'm rewatching S2 now and holy shit I forgot how fucking good E6 is/was. Love the motion tracker nod to Aliens.
Too bad the next episode is the slog with El finding her "sister" in Chicago.

I remember not liking season 2 but really the only thing I remember about it is that stupid fucking X Men origin story episode

 

[My Spot]

I remember not liking season 2 but really the only thing I remember about it is that stupid fucking X Men origin story episode

Go back and rewatch S2E6. When the crew at the junkyard finds out there's more than one demodog and then a minute later you find out there's a LOT more than that.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Spoiler

- The best since Season 1. Although there are still some glaring flaws.

- Vecna is an awesome Big Bad. The retconning of him being behind everything, including creating the Mind Flayer, was very well done. It felt organic, the exact opposite of what the Craig Bond movies tried to do with Spectre. The guy who played Number One/Vecna was the season MVP for me.

- Modine and Reiser nailed their roles like the old pros they are. Also, loved the subtle call back to the iconic Door Gunner scene in Full Metal Jacket.

- Not a fan of the Russia side quest, to be honest. Especially since Team Hopper went in and out of that prison so much they should have installed a revolving door.

- I didn't like that Number One had been fitted with some kind of Restraining Bolt that somehow kept him from using his powers. That felt completely forced, as though they'd written themselves into a corner and had to figure how to explain why One hadn't slaughtered everyone and escaped years ago.

- I was expecting a higher body-count. Eddie died, but he'd only appeared this season, so there wasn't much of an emotional impact. Max dying would have been a gut-punch, but they chickened out at the last minute and let El save her.

- Pretty sure that's a replica Conan the Barbarian sword Hopper uses to kill the Demogorgan

- As others have asked, what happened to the Army? The CO was willing to kidnap, torture and murder government agents and other soldiers. But after El takes out his helicopter, he just gives up?

- Good performances from pretty much the whole cast, although some had much more to work with than others.

8/10

 

[Aegon Spengler]

By the end I loved every minute of it, I think. First couple episodes felt shaky but they set a good foundation and it all came together great at the end.

Eddie’s death was great. He had to keep the bats busy so that they wouldn’t swarm Nancy Drew. He should have kept running away though; the goal is stay alive and keep them busy as long as possible. He tactically misused his death; but oh well. Great drama.

I loved the Russia subplot. Them fighting monsters in a cage was great. Sword fight was great. It wasn’t as connected to main plot as it could have been but oh well.

Now they’re all together for the next season. I thought this was it too. I feel like they had it wrapped up, except for the one dangling thread from Season 2 - those punks who were hunting down papa. I know everyone hated them…I didn’t, myself, and I hope they use that lil brown girls powers in the next season to fuck with Frignar.

Oh and I guess Colin Powell Sr. there searching for WMD 11 also needs to be sorted. You can’t just take the army and start murdering American citizens, MPs, Doctors. The courts tend to frown on that. He needs to get what’s coming to him.

 

[method115]

Ok, but what makes you say that? I didn’t pick up on that at all? Granted, I was really fucking drunk when I was watching it.

It was pretty hard to miss man. It was clear as day he's into dudes.

 

[KnightTemplar]

It was pretty hard to miss man. It was clear as day he's into dudes.

Mike flat out says it in Season 2,

"It's not my fault you don't like girls!"

 

[method115]

Mike flat out says it in Season 2,

"It's not my fault you don't like girls!"

I didn't even catch that. The only thing I hope is with the last season coming up that they don't waste to much time on that subplot. Get it out there, have them get past it, and move on.