* Stipe refusing to fight until contract is re-negotiated !

[PapaBherd]

I don't make the rules dipshit, if the UFC doesn't want to renegotiate they don't have to, are you arguing this fact? Fuck these people get dumber by the moment.

And Stipe doesn't need to fight if he feels that he isn't being compensated. Cuts both ways.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

He's already got more title defenses than either of them

that only matters if you live in a bubble where UFC is the only MMA that existed. don't be naive, Overeem especially has been fighting for years and has fought a who's who of MMA. JDS destroyed most of the HW division before Stipe was even in the UFC.

 

[GAR]

Overeem would beat him in a rematch.

Overeem is the most skilled striker in the HW division, unfortunately he has a paper chin.....

 

[bully4me]

mods - please merge with the other thread of the same topic ! dammit.

"It definitely should change," Miocic said. "But the fact that [Overeem and JDS) made more money than me in my last fight was just kind of a slap in the face.

"[It's] terrible. Things definitely need to be changed. Something's gotta change. It's not really fair."

Miocic's typically quiet and workman-like demeanor hasn't done much for his brand as a marketer. He did, however, go public in June upon the announcement of the August pay-per-view boxing match between Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor by pleading for a spot on the undercard against unbeaten boxing champion Anthony Joshua of England.

https://www.cbssports.com/mma/news/...ont-fight-until-contract-issues-are-resolved/

Look, I like Stipe but he's not a draw for whatever reason. JDS and Overeem are bigger names and that's why they made more. I don't like the idea of a fighter holding out until he gets money he isn't deserving of due to popularity reasons. Don't get me wrong, I understand where's he coming from, but people were watching to see Overeem and JDS more than him.

Not to mention the fact JDS has been a UFC Champion and been with the company for many, many years.. As far as Overeem. His pay is a bit different. He gets a flat pay win or lose.

Also it truly depends on what deal Stipe has as a PPV cut. As Champ it's most likely more than any other HW while he's Champ.

Wonder if he wants to renegotiate because of the HW curse. This next fight will be the one, that none so far have been able to defend. Fighting Cain plus the curse he may want to negotiate a safer contract . Just a thought

 

[Oeshon]

And Stipe doesn't need to fight if he feels that he isn't being compensated. Cuts both ways.

And if he doesn't fit, he will be stripped of his title.

 

[TrevorLahey]

And Stipe doesn't need to fight if he feels that he isn't being compensated. Cuts both ways.

You're absolutely right, the UFC can't force him to fight but he signed the contract, no one else.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

And all this is with Stipe on top, with wins after wins going for the HW record can you imagine it when he is on the low.. no respect he gets no respect.

the record for HW is sad though, 2 title defenses?

he just needs time. he needs to have a real reign. once it's pretty clear that he's the real #1 by far, he will get paid. especially if he beats Cain.

 

[Tachy]

Never understood signing a contract that you were happy with at the time, then getting the option to hold out until it is changed for the better since you are no longer happy.

Honor your word

 

[One MMA Fan]

the record for HW is sad though, 2 title defenses?

he just needs time. he needs to have a real reign. once it's pretty clear that he's the real #1 by far, he will get paid. especially if he beats Cain.

That means you had to win 3 back to back HW championships fights.

I know it doesn't sound much but think about it you most likely needed a few back to back wins to even get to challenge for it unless you are this major draw or a short notice type of thing.

Fights in HW are the most dangerous any mistake could be fight ending and it can be vs an inferior fighter but because that's the power of that division the risk is always there.

Now a tittle fight also implies more attention, more money, more of everything and HWs should be the crown jewel that's a lot of pressure and a lot of adversaries studying you so that they can become the next big thing.. and to top it off you are a 250+ lbs man doing hard training camps with heavy grappling involved that's quite the strain on the body.

Now he will try to break that record 3 defense so 4 consecutive big, important tittle fights won in the HW division.

 

[g*r*b]

Normally I'll jump in this like Captain save a Stipe but you know what will pass on it this time, them dress pictures, them asking for boxing match and future meeting with my boy Cain all got me on stand by, will observe but won't take part.. but it's hard so many shitting on him who the fook sides with Dana in the first place. (ah stop it).

Yo at @Final Say step your game up you getting creamed in here.. time to call for a tactical voice of reason with plenty of research @g*r*b .. Stipe fans where the heck are you, the Champ needs you.

I go on a minibreak and observe internet silence, and look at what I step into on my return...

I suppose it's an oldfashioned notion, the champion getting a lion's share of a purse regardless of drawing power and seniority. BUT — isn't it a notion that the UFC has traditionally given lip service to for their own benefit? To hungry fighters facepunching for a pittance, they've said "Well yeah, the pay is crappy now...but when you get to be a champion, ah! that's when the money starts rolling in!" And because there's far more fighters believing they'll win the belt than those who actually do, they've kept much of their roster dangling on the end of a hopeful string, and kept their costs down.

I wonder, I do wonder if they did that song and dance with Stipe as he was coming up. (It's hard to tell because he's been so closelipped about pay before.) It would explain his feeling of being dealt with unfairly when he learned that things weren't as cut and dried as that.

 

[RicardinhoPT]

I see some comments in this thread about the fact that Overeem would beat him in a rematch. Overeem was winning the previous match until he got caught, he has a glass chin. I think Overeem would be the favourite in a rematch and I think this is the next fight to make but he should take it to the ground in order to avoid getting hit on the chin.

 

[PapaBherd]

And if he doesn't fit, he will be stripped of his title.

And devalue their own division and champion during a time when they are starving for stars? Doubt it. This isn't the women's FW division composed of 4 fighters.

 

[One MMA Fan]

I go on a minibreak and observe internet silence, and look at what I step into on my return...

I suppose it's an oldfashioned notion, the champion getting a lion's share of a purse regardless of drawing power and seniority. BUT — isn't it a notion that the UFC has traditionally given lip service to for their own benefit? To hungry fighters facepunching for a pittance, they've said "Well yeah, the pay is crappy now...but when you get to be a champion, ah! that's when the money starts rolling in!" And because there's far more fighters believing they'll win the belt than those who actually do, they've kept much of their roster dangling on the end of a hopeful string, and kept their costs down.

I wonder, I do wonder if they did that song and dance with Stipe as he was coming up. (It's hard to tell because he's been so closelipped about pay before.) It would explain his feeling of being dealt with unfairly when he learned that things weren't as cut and dried as that.

Everything to keep the final costs lower the more the better.

Curious if Stipe isn't willing to move on this or Dana feels he can't meet his demands how fast till he will start to trow his HW champ under the bus, we just saw it with MM but (hey he no draw it's whatever for Dana with him).

In before:
"Well Stipe signed a contract and that's what men do, they sign contracts and they honor it, we honor every contract we sign!.. I don't know what to tell you, maybe Cain the freaking 'Terminator' has that affect on people what more could I say to him, let's see how it develops and let's hope we don't get a GDR repeat cause that will suck for everyone involved."

 

[g*r*b]

Everything to keep the final costs lower the more the better.

Curious if Stipe isn't willing to move on this or Dana feels he can't meet his demands how fast till he will start to trow his HW champ under the bus, we just saw it with MM but (hey he no draw it's whatever for Dana with him).

In before:
"Well Stipe signed a contract and that's what men do, they sign contracts and they honor it, we honor every contract we sign!.. I don't know what to tell you, maybe Cain the freaking 'Terminator' has that affect on people what more could I say to him, let's see how it develops and let's hope we don't get a GDR repeat cause that will suck for everyone involved."

From my experience, Croatians can get a bit freaky when they think their honor is on the line. I have no clue how this ball will bounce. Even if i did I'm too tired from travel and mellow from good food to be able to concentrate and calculate trajectories. Ah well, tomorrow is another day....

 

[One MMA Fan]

From my experience, Croatians can get a bit freaky when they think their honor is on the line. I have no clue how this ball will bounce. Even if i did I'm too tired from travel and mellow from good food to be able to concentrate and calculate trajectories. Ah well, tomorrow is another day....

Alright, have a good day.

 

[Ghostoftheville]

As much as I like Stipe and think he's most likely justified in this the man needs to honour his contract that HE signed. Once his contract is up that is when he can start to negotiate. I'm starting to think he wants to renegotiate his contract now because if he waits until his contract is up he may no longer be on top. He's the one that signed the contract if he was worried about fighters making more than him if he becomes the champ this should of been discussed before signing. This is part of the business you live you learn. Anyone know how many fights he has left on his current deal?

UFC has also shown a willingness to renegotiate or desperation, when a fighter has cause for demanding so, Vera, Randy, Anderson, Nick and Nate, Conor and plenty of others have done the same.

Also in any other sport or business you can demand a change in salary when your position within the company changes.

 

[Ghostoftheville]

Want more proof???

Holly Holm.

Before her fight with Ronda Rousey.

1. UFC Fight Night (LOL!!), didn't even main event, DIDN'T EVEN CO-MAIN EVENT, She was third on a UFC fight night card (F**KING LOL).

Earnings: $50,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Mir_vs._Duffee

Not a PPV, so no buyrate. and only $412,000 at the gate .... LMAO.

2. UFC 193, PPV headliner v Ronda Rousey.

Buyrate: 1,100,000.

Earnings: $180,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_193

not to mention more fans:

3. UFC 196: After her popularity increase from fighting Ronda, her salary increased A LOT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_196

Buyrate: 1,300,000 (ok McGregor was headlining)

Earnings: $500,000

(10 times!!, YES, TEN TIMES higher than her purse from two fights ago ... hmmm, you don't suppose this has anything to do with her fighting Ronda Rousey, do you??)

Conclusion: the exposure and fans that McGregor and Rousey bring to the sport, makes other fighters richer.

Conclusion: you are wrong ... again, PERIOD.

Your second point hints at another reason Stipe has a reason renegotiate, unless I'm wrong he signed his current deal before he was a top 5 heavyweight, before he was headlining PPVs, before he was required to triple his media obligations. In any other situation a larger workload than previously agreed upon = more pay to reflect said increase.

 

[Big Al's Texas BBQ]

or... instead of any of this...

demand more money and dont fight until you get it


lol hes the best heavyweight on the planet and has the belt. you pay him or he doesnt fight.

its called 'business'.

And the UFC can just strip him if he refuses to fight just like they did with GDR.

 

[Adam Jensen]

Pretty big fan of Stipe, but he has to step back and look at his situation.

He's under contract and he has 0 leverage. In a game of "wait for the other side to blink" the UFC can afford to sit his ass down, strip him of the title and letting life go on.

I don't believe that Stipe can just wait and watch hundreds of thousands of dollars go down the tubes.

His best course of action is to keep training hard, keep winning his fights, increase his presence outside of the ring (or fire his management for failing miserably to get him more such opportunities).

Then during his next contract renewal, he can negotiate hard or even go over to Bellator.

It's pretty much that simple.

 

[ejazahmednit]

he is right you know
he deserves to be paid well
and its the right time to negotiate his contract