Stipe gonna make Jones go sleepy

[Pierced7681]

Here’s something everyone is forgetting.

Stipe has never lost back to back fights. He ALWAYS comes back stronger after a loss. After he lost to Struve, he went on a streak. After he lost to JDS, he went on a streak. After he lost to DC, he won both rematches.

 

[herpd807]

Hound doesn’t know the meaning of “wressle fuck”.

Yes I do. Means Jones will lay on top of Stipe and gas him out. Stipe wouldn't be able to get him off or stop from going to the ground. If Jones wants to do that, I think he could.

That work for ya?

It appears based on his training partner here that Jones is preparing this fight to be a ground war.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Yeah, in addition to the post @g*r*b is referencing, Schaub has talked about this from when he trained with Stipe. Basically he said that Stipe's offensive BJJ in terms of his submission game is fairly limited and you won't really see him fishing for different types of stuff while rolling, but he is insanely physically strong and has a really solid base along with a good level of awareness/defense that makes him nigh-impossible to sweep, submit, etc.

Normally I wouldn't really give much credence to Brendan's thoughts on anything in the fight game, but since these are his personal anecdotes from the training room that gel with other things I've heard I'm more keen to believe them. For instance, Stipe actually competed in a BJJ match years ago for charity. The guy he was matched up against was more experienced in sport BJJ and beat Stipe... but not in the way you might think. Miocic actually took him down and held him down with ease the entire time, but didn't really know what to do after that, lol. It was Stipe's first time in the gi, so he just relied on his wrestler instincts and pancaked the guy flat for minutes at a time. Meanwhile, his opponent desperately threw up multiple submission and sweep attempts from bottom and even though Stipe easily defended all of them, this ruleset dictated that the more "aggressive" grappler would win if the match went the distance lol

I think it's also worth remembering how he survived the Overeem guillotine. He probably came into that fight expecting a striking match, i.e. hadn't drilled a ton of sub defense. Yet after getting badly rocked and dropped, he was still able to regain his composure and survive a tight guillotine from Alistair. Bear in mind, Overeem has won 8 (?) pro MMA fights by guillotine. Hell, he dominated the ADCC European Trials and won a gold medal back in the day by tapping every single guy in his weight class... with a guillotine. Overeem has also outgrappled Werdum and Oleinik in the training room, supposedly. Stipe surviving his signature choke while hurt and coming back to win the fight is no mean feat.

I do still nominally favor Jones because I'm worried about Stipe's age, wear & tear, and inactivity... but Jones has some red flags surrounding him, too that Stipe could potentially exploit if he comes correct, I'll admit.

Was not aware of the grappling match. I'll look it up. Thank you, for all the info. I definitely like his chances a bit more knowing this...but I'm not gonna get my hopes up

 

[Boomb]

I would really like to see that but I feel that Jones is way too good for Stipe...I feel like Jones is really underrated on these boards.

 

[JKS]

I got this a 50/50 fight

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Yes I do. Means Jones will lay on top of Stipe and gas him out. Stipe wouldn't be able to get him off or stop from going to the ground. If Jones wants to do that, I think he could.

That work for ya?

It appears based on his training partner here that Jones is preparing this fight to be a ground war.

Jones did NOT wresslefuck DC, sherbro.

The rest I probably agree with.

 

[Baal]

I hope to god you're right.

 

[mjfan23]

He looks frail in the video though.

hopefully he KOs Jones

 

[Aurelian]

Yes I do. Means Jones will lay on top of Stipe and gas him out. Stipe wouldn't be able to get him off or stop from going to the ground. If Jones wants to do that, I think he could.

That work for ya?

It appears based on his training partner here that Jones is preparing this fight to be a ground war.

Jones fears Stipe wrestle fucking him?

 

[Dogshare]

Good thing this isn't just a cardio sport, it's a fight sport and experience matters

First I respond to a message that stated Stipe could win because the cardio of Jon Jones is unknown at heavyweight. I respond by stating that Stipe's cardio is even more unknown at 41 years old. And you come back at me saying fighting is not just a cardio sport, which I of course never claimed. It just doesn't make sense to think a 41 year old Stipe will have a cardio advantage over a younger fighter that is known to have good cardio.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Jon has one of the best chins of all time

It's impossible to even imagine Jon out cold

Agreed but a lot of things in life seem impossible... until it happened.
I think that's why many of us are mma/combat sports fans. I only takes one misstep, one error of judgement, a half a second delay and its over.
Really looking forward to see how this fight unfolds.

 

[g*r*b]

Yeah, in addition to the post @g*r*b is referencing, Schaub has talked about this from when he trained with Stipe. Basically he said that Stipe's offensive BJJ in terms of his submission game is fairly limited and you won't really see him fishing for different types of stuff while rolling... but he is insanely physically strong and has a really solid "base" along with a good sense of awareness/defense that makes him nigh-impossible to manipulate, sweep, submit, etc.

Normally I wouldn't really give much credence to Brendan's thoughts on anything in the fight game, but since these are his personal anecdotes from the training room that gel with other things I've heard & seen I'm more keen to believe them. For instance, Stipe actually competed in a BJJ match years ago for charity. The guy he was up against was more experienced in sport BJJ and beat Stipe... but not in the way you might think. Miocic actually took him down and held him down with ease the entire time, but didn't really know what to do after that, lol. It was Stipe's first wearing the gi, so he just relied on his wrestler instincts and pancaked the guy flat for minutes at a time. Meanwhile, his opponent desperately threw up multiple submission and sweep attempts from bottom. Even though Stipe easily shut down all of them, this ruleset dictated that the more "aggressive" grappler would win if the match went the distance.

I think it's also worth remembering how he survived the Overeem guillotine. He probably came into that fight expecting a striking match, i.e. hadn't drilled a ton of sub defense. Yet after getting badly rocked and dropped, he was still able to regain his composure and survive a tight guillotine from Alistair. Bear in mind, Overeem has won 8 (?) pro MMA fights by guillotine. Hell, he dominated the ADCC European Trials and won a gold medal back in the day by tapping every single guy in his weight class... all by guillotine. Overeem has also supposedly out-grappled Werdum and Oleinik in the training room (source: Oleinik himself). Stipe surviving Alistair's signature choke while hurt and coming back to win the fight is no mean feat.

I do still nominally favor Jones because I'm worried about Stipe's age, wear & tear, and inactivity... but Jones also has some red flags surrounding him that Stipe could potentially exploit if he comes correct, I'll admit.

Thanks for chiming in with even more details. I've seen the footage of the BJJ match you mention, and it's crazy how much Stipe big-brothered his opponent yet came out the "loser." Is it even available to watch anymore? I wonder if Jones' camp has no access to it and can only go by that big L on Tapology. Being a demon on tape study like Jon has the rep for doesn't help you much when there's precious little tape to parse.

Of course there's the defense of Overeem guillotine to dissect—but 99.99% of the fans and pundits didn't come away from it with an admiration of Stipe's craft. No, it was all lamenting that Overeem had went for it in the first place. If only he had gone for the ground and pound! Even the few who grudgingly admitted that Overeem had had considerable success with the move before would go on to surmise that he hadn't tried it for so long that he was too rusty, or that his body shape had changed too much in the interim for it to work the way it once did. A few tut-tutted Overeem for not getting both hooks in. Um, hello? HE TRIED TO but Stipe was moving sideways away so fast that he couldn't get the second leg over!

Sigh. Always, always they explain away anything Stipe does well as the fault of his opponent. It's frustrating for a Stipe fan. But I comfort myself by considering how advantageous it can be to be underestimated...especially if it's your opponent doing it.

 

[Do better]

Who else is picking Stipe to ko Jones in November?

stipe looks ready sherbros, check out the video below. Jones is gonna get finished by the goat

It's definitely possible, but a promo video filled with effects tells us nothing

 

[kuroro]

Who else is picking Stipe to ko Jones in November?

stipe looks ready sherbros, check out the video below. Jones is gonna get finished by the goat

huh? what is this evidence of?

 

[kuroro]

Everyone thinks Stipe is old, this video shows he still has it

no it doesn't.

 

[Gamer2k4]

Cormier couldn’t wrestle fuck Stipe, you really think a heavyweight Jon jones is capable of it?

While I agree that Stipe's wrestling is far better than almost everyone gives him credit for, Jones is also a better wrestler than Cormier, so it's fair to assume he has a better chance of getting Stipe to the ground.

 

[Lee_]

I'm going to go ahead and make the underdog pick. Jones ran into an easy matchup with Gane, but Stipe is better. He might be too old, but we will see. He stands a better chance than many are suggesting.

 

[RoñaCastroJr]

Because Jon's submission game I'd better than everyone Stipe has fought. Jon is a very good wrestler who can force people into grappling exchanges or jump on an opening after a knockdown. Jon is well aware of the difference in power snd will absolutely not play the striking game with Stipe. Stipe is coming off a massive lay off. Stipe is old and far past his prime. Etc etc etc.

Like I said, I'd love to be wrong but Jon has everything going for him here. Stipe good TDD but not a lot of experience fighting off submissions on the albeit rare occasions when he goes down

60% 40% Bones then ?

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

60% 40% Bones then ?

I'm more 70% 30% Bones at the moment. I was like 90% 10% coming into this

 

[Captain Herb]

Stipe has never been submitted and only lost by KO. Jon's not going to KO him and he would have to be the first to submit Stipe or win a decision, which I guess is possible but is nowhere near a sure thing. If Stipe wants to win, I think he can beat Jones. If he just wants to collect one last paycheck, he won't.