Stipe’s win over Frank looking pretty good right now

[Miokink026]

"oh no, it was all takedowns that's why Miocic was piecing Ngannou up on the feet"

"oh no, Ngannou was already gassed" when all that was happening in the very first round

"oh no, Ngannou was green" despite looking hardly any different in that fight - and ko'ing everybody before and since that fight - while Miocic looked like a grandpa in their second fight

"looking hardly any different" lol bless your heart. Ngannou couldnt have looked more different in his first and second Stipe fights.

Now either you're blind, or didn't watch the fights, or is simply a Stipe fanboy. A real Stipe fans talking to you son, so don't embarrass yourself. Look at my username, now listen.

Being a fan and being a fan boy are two different things. In the first match, Ngannou bullrushed Stipe and used up all his energy in 3 minutes. Stipes "gameplan" consisted of surviving past the first round, then using wrestling and ground and pound. All credit to Stipe, his head movement and defense was on point.

However, in the second match, Ngannou was patient and used boxing combinations we've never seen him use. He outstruck, out wrestled, and out skilled a very durable Stipe to get a "closing the door" type of punch Teddy Atlas taught him and KO'ed Stipe.

Saying Stipes win aged well is like saying Struves win against Stipe aged well. I mean, they did, but in both situations, the losing fighter improved drastically.

 

[MartinGibson86]

he wasn't green though. he had many pro fights and years of training before that, with multiple wins over former mma champions leading up to his fight with Miocic

he has always been a very powerful counter puncher with a granite chin, but suspect cardio. to be honest, even to this day as in the fight against Fury, his cardio is not amazing and he had to spend entire rounds conserving energy to make it to the end of the fight - this is why he "lost" that fight (even though I, like many others, think he debatably won)

Th "Ufc shill DERR" types will tell you Frank was green at 31 in hos 7th ufc fight....



...and that Fedor was completely shot at 33

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

It was his seventh UFC fight.

You're right seven easy fights and a fighter can never improve again they're finished product guaranteed

 

[colorles]

"looking hardly any different" lol bless your heart. Ngannou couldnt have looked more different in his first and second Stipe fights.

Now either you're blind, or didn't watch the fights, or is simply a Stipe fanboy. A real Stipe fans talking to you son, so don't embarrass yourself.

Ngannou clearly studied a ton of tape on Miocic and how he moves, which lead to him hitting Stipe with that straight shot when Miocic did that "reset" thing where he steps back and to the right. Ngannou clearly studied this and dropped Miocic with it, which lead to the ending sequence of the second fight and him knocking Miocic out with the check hook

his game plan for that fight was impeccable. Ngannou is a smart man. but you are still ignoring how much weaker, slower and less reactions Miocic had post 2020 when he was over the hill, compared to 2017/early 2018

all i hear is so many posters talking about how "green" Ngannou was...yet ignoring Miocic's obvious decline to being over the hill and borderline washed

 

[Miokink026]

Ngannou clearly studied a ton of tape on Miocic and how he moves, which lead to him hitting Stipe with that straight shot when Miocic did that "reset" thing where he steps back and to the right. Ngannou clearly studied this and dropped Miocic with it, which lead to the ending sequence of the second fight and him knocking Miocic out with the check hook

his game plan for that fight was impeccable. Ngannou is a smart man. but you are still ignoring how much weaker, slower and less reactions Miocic had post 2020 when he was over the hill, compared to 2017/early 2018

all i hear is so many posters talking about how "green" Ngannou was...yet ignoring Miocic's obvious decline to being over the hill and borderline washed

When did I ever say Ngannou was green? Can you please reply to MY comment instead of complaining about other crap? But I'll address that. Ngannou was NOT green. However, you can both be experienced AND grow as a fighter, which anyone with eyes can see Ngannou did.

Stipe? and OF COURSE he was weaker. He still moved pretty well, but he did slow down a tad and was far lighter. However, he didn't show obvious decline besides the weight, so as a Stipe fan since the very beginning, one who know about his S&C coach's dubious past, why Stipe joined SSFC (tattooed on his back in Chinese), and have seen nearly all his fights before the UFC (most aren't even on Youtube), i say all credit goes to Ngannou.

 

[AmonTobin]

Ngannou’s wild punches are well suited for boxing. The bigger the mits the better for him. The way some of his strikes look like they’re landing on the sides and bottom of his fists, reminds me of a lion or bear swiping its paws. And shows just how much power he has in those wrecking balls even if they don’t hit square. Even glancing blows can be lethal.

 

[colorles]

When did I ever say Ngannou was green? Can you please reply to MY comment instead of complaining about other crap? But I'll address that. Ngannou was NOT green. However, you can both be experienced AND grow as a fighter, which anyone with eyes can see Ngannou did.

Stipe? and OF COURSE he was weaker. He still moved pretty well, but he did slow down a tad and was far lighter. However, he didn't show obvious decline besides the weight, so as a Stipe fan since the very beginning, one who know about his S&C coach's dubious past, why Stipe joined SSFC (tattooed on his back in Chinese), and have seen nearly all his fights before the UFC (most aren't even on Youtube), i say all credit goes to Ngannou.

well maybe i am mixing you up with one of the other posters in the thread

yeah of course Miocic was still "spry on his feet", he was and still is an elite athlete (just because he is a fireman and never made it to the top levels of baseball doesn't change that....or unless some people want to claim that Dustin Pedria, Mookie Betters, Many Ramirez, etc are all "better athletes" than Miocic...although their timing is world class that's for sure)

but he was way less explosive and his reactions slower. just look at the explosive speed he was putting into his shots in the first fight against Ngannou and his reactions. like, you know, a strong man still in his prime. and he was bodying Ngannou on the ground as well...just all and all way stronger back then

also i don't give a fuck about Miocic's chinese back tatoo. all i am talking about is how obvious decline he was and that a physicaly strong and prime Miocic bodied Ngannou in every way

 

[colorles]

Ngannou’s wild punches are well suited for boxing. The bigger the mits the better for him. The way some of his strikes look like they’re landing on the sides and bottom of his fists, reminds me of a lion or bear swiping its paws. Lol

he gets away with it. yeah he leaves himself open sometimes but his chin is granite, and the loopy strikes from random angles catch opponents where they can't see it...like Fury

basically with an average chin Ngannou would have been knocked out as many times as he has knocked out opponents

 

[Miokink026]

well maybe i am mixing you up with one of the other posters in the thread

yeah of course Miocic was still "spry on his feet", he was and still is an elite athlete (just because he is a fireman and never made it to the top levels of baseball doesn't change that....or unless some people want to claim that Dustin Pedria, Mookie Betters, Many Ramirez, etc are all "better athletes" than Miocic...although their timing is world class that's for sure)

but he was way less explosive and his reactions slower. just look at the explosive speed he was putting into his shots in the first fight against Ngannou and his reactions. like, you know, a strong man still in his prime. and he was bodying Ngannou on the ground as well...just all and all way stronger back then

also i don't give a fuck about Miocic's chinese back tatoo. all i am talking about is how obvious decline he was and that a physicaly strong and prime Miocic bodied Ngannou in every way

"how obvious his decline was"

no the point is, he did decline but it's not as drastic as you're making it out to be. However, all your points agree with because I just watched the fight again. His punches, as few as they were, had slightly less speed. Still, Ngannou outclassed him by quite a lot and grew leaps and bounds since that first fight. Both are true.

 

[colorles]

basically, i'm calling out and exposing narratives that i have seen spread like wild fire in this community, mostly people making copes and excuses for some fighters - in this case Ngannou -, while ignoring anything else that might contradict those copes and excuses

i see it both with the Ngannou vs Miocic fights, and the Ngannou vs Lewis fight. all copes and excuses for Ngannou. the Lewis fight being perhaps the most rediculous, with people unironically saying that "Ngannou saw Miocic in front of him that night, not Lewis". bullshit cope and excuses my lads

 

[jsbx45]

Aging well.

 

[LoveSherdogThisTime]

now do struve

And I'll do your imaginary wife you fat fuck

 

[RonDante]

In a thread where you are jerking off stipe beating a green Frank because he's so skilled. You also think prime stipe isn't the most skilled for a HW.

<Lmaoo> seems like you will say anything to give the UFC a win.

You think this is about the ufc? You’re actually retarded

 

[humdizzle]

I can see the interview now

Dana: "hey look guys. watch the first fight mmkay. Stipe beat Francis piller to post. it was 50-44 or something crazy. i mean thats a domination. look at the compubox numbers... it was 200 to 33.

Reporter: but what about the second fight?

Dana: "oh yeah well stipe just got caught. its the HW division... guys get lucky sometimes. shit happens"

 

[Jon's Drug Dealer]

Does it? Stipe had absolutely nothing for Ngannou in the second fight. Nothing. Outstruck, outgrappled, knocked out cold.

 

[blaccbeard]

Perfection, Fedor could never.

lol@anybody who has the audacity to say Stipe isn't the GOAT Hw.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

because ngannou's chances to win, are by landing a strike, not defending potential takedowns. ngannou is better than stipe, and 5-6 years ago stipe beat him. 10-12 years ago stefan struve beat stipe. so therefore, stefan struve in his prime, he was better than stipe, and therefore, ngannou. Stefan Struve is the true HW goat. Because he out striked a younger, more athletic Stipe.

I think its quite similar as well because IMHO those loses in part represent fights before they adapted, ironically in quite different directions. The earlier Stipe really seemed to be mostly focused on trying to fight slow technical matches but I tink after getting outstruck by Struve he shifted to become much more aggressive, he'd rush in and try and force openings plus he's grapple more when needed. I suspect the peak Stipe may well have either gotten close to Struve and dropped him or taken him down and pulped him although I spose the latter would be somewhat of a sub defence test we didnt see much of.

Ngannou was the opponent, up to that point he was all about rushing people and throwing down fast which Stipe exploited to take him down and gas him out, in the rematch you can see he's able to keep his distance much more but still carry a big threat unlike the Lewis match. When Stipe does shoot for a takedown its from range with Francis not off balance and he fights it off and punishes him for it.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

Does it? Stipe had absolutely nothing for Ngannou in the second fight. Nothing. Outstruck, outgrappled, knocked out cold.

It's HW one punch and it's over outgrappled because one Defense it's not True.

 

[ThaiSexPills]

Th "Ufc shill DERR" types will tell you Frank was green at 31 in hos 7th ufc fight....



...and that Fedor was completely shot at 33

Experience and mileage matter. If they didn’t, explain how Romero was still a top guy into his late 30’s but Aldo, one of the best ever was done.

Francis WAS green. He had very little experience and limited training. It’s impressive the improvement he’s shown from the first to the second fight and from his last fight in the UFC to his boxing debut. The Francis that faced Stipe the first time would have gotten humiliated by Fury. Fighters grow and mileage accumulates regardless of age.

 

[rottenapple]

ngannou wasnt green, his ego just exploded making him believe hed run through stipe with ease. Thats why he blew all his cardio in the first round. He was just being a cocky fool.