STARFIELD discussion

I'm not here to do homework for you. Google "Todd Howard lies" and you will find threads all over the internet that stretch back for years. Or if reading is not your forte here is a little video for you.



That was one of the dumbest things I ever saw.

What was the lie? Infinite quests? It has those. You can play forever? You can.

These videos are almost always garbage, that just make a claim and then don't actually substantiate it or lack context. Like Howard says "It just works", suddenly if there's a bug in the game or it crashes, he's a liar. That's kind of silly.
 
That was one of the dumbest things I ever saw.

What was the lie? Infinite quests? It has those. You can play forever? You can.

These videos are almost always garbage, that just make a claim and then don't actually substantiate it or lack context. Like Howard says "It just works", suddenly if there's a bug in the game or it crashes, he's a liar. That's kind of silly.

If you didn't understand the tone of my post, it was a joke, possibly even a jab, to post the "sweet little lies" song. Look man if you want to believe Howard doesn't lie that's up to you. You can take a look around but you will find most gamers don't trust that guy. You would definitely be in the minority on him.
 
If you didn't understand the tone of my post, it was a joke, possibly even a jab, to post the "sweet little lies" song. Look man if you want to believe Howard doesn't lie that's up to you. You can take a look around but you will find most gamers don't trust that guy. You would definitely be in the minority on him.

I don't want to believe anything either way. I'll just be convinced if someone gives me something convincing. So far, none of the things I've seen are convincing.

Personally, I don't think being in the minority of what gamers think is necessarily a bad thing. Gamers, as a generalized group (not pointing a finger at you, specifically), are some of the most whiny and entitled people I've ever seen. They tend to have incredibly high expectations for little reason, and then blame anything other than themselves when these expectations aren't met.

Again, I'm being very general and not specific. But it's really interesting sometimes to see people that I know tend to be more right wing politically, and constantly point fingers at "woke" people for trying to find ways to be offended (something I actually agree with), but then they'll turn around and be incredibly upset about something like a paid micro transaction that's completely optional.
 
I just been dying for a big Bethesda game. I played the shit outta fallout 4 even though it was meh. I just love their worlds and the ability to do basically whatever you want

If you haven't played them before, I highly recommend Stalker if you are craving the irradiated apocalypse vibe. Playing Call of Pripyat with the Call of Chernobyl and Misery mods was one of the most engaging gaming experiences I have ever had and you have similar levels of freedom that Bethesda often affords their players; I will add the caveat that the game is much, much more difficult than Fallout and that ruined the game for a lot of my friends when I tried to get them into it though.
 
If you haven't played them before, I highly recommend Stalker if you are craving the irradiated apocalypse vibe. Playing Call of Pripyat with the Call of Chernobyl and Misery mods was one of the most engaging gaming experiences I have ever had and you have similar levels of freedom that Bethesda often affords their players; I will add the caveat that the game is much, much more difficult than Fallout and that ruined the game for a lot of my friends when I tried to get them into it though.
Mateeeeeeeee I have a 1st edition CD release of Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl sitting in my games pile. I bought that shit when it released and my computer could barely run it. (The game could barely run itself either I later found out when I got a better PC)
 
What? I'm not creating a game that doesn't exist and I wasn't saying Bethesda fell off. I highlighted how other studios have created open world RPGs that have strengths that surpass Bethesda's past games. Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim were ambitious games for their time and were stand out titles. Now other devs have caught up and have magic of their own. Bethesda haven't made a full sized game since Skyrim (I'm excluding Fallout 76), I was just saying that they would need to improve their approach to keep up with the pack.
Elden Ring:

Kingdom Come: Deliverance has as good or better combat, Mass Effect has more varied environments, the Witcher 3 has better quests, and Fallout is more interactive.

Witcher 3:

Elden Ring has better combat, Skyrim has a more interactive world, Mass Effect has as good or better quests.

You can literally do this with every single game.
 
What Im looking forward to as much as anything else is the negative reviews by people with hundreds or even thousands of hours of playtime.
I played this game for 500 hours and it s cks. I kept playing thinking it would get good but never did. And they wouldn't refund my money. SCAM. - Something like this. LOL.
 
Their rep isn't as damaged to me as it is for Luke, but if BGS shits the bed here, aka, pulls a Cyberpunk/FO76, they are toxic goods.

It's hard to judge the gunplay until you feel it. I really enjoyed Fallout 4's. It was no COD, but I rarely felt the need to use Vats like I had to in Fallout 3/NV.

I only associate current day BGS with Howard-lead Oblivion, Fallout 3, Skyrim and Fallout 4. I loved those games, but they got more and more dumbed down from Morrowind with each title. If their RPG//dialogue/immersive sim systems are as simple as Fallout 4, it will be a big disappointment for me. They always have great lore, world building, and exploration, but I want quests that can be solved multiple ways, with deeper faction systems than we got in FO4.

I hope they heard the negatives with Fallout 4, the positives from Far Harbor, and what obsidian did with New Vegas. It looks like we're getting a silent protag again, which is a great start.

I'm really glad base building is back too, I just hope they serve more purpose. Can't wait to build my own ships. The mods for ships and bases is going to be nuts.
I liked the gunplay in fo4 as well. No more vats for me but sad they took out crit chance. I have to make overdrive all the time now.
 
Release date confirmed as September 6th 2023, a Starfield direct will happen on June 11th
 
Perfect. Gives me a few months to play before my Game Pass expires so I can get rid of my dust collector Xbox.
 
They just got too big, so it became cool to hate on them. Although, Fallout 76's launch did them no favors. That was bad.

What kills me about it all, is that people will blow indie games, or games with a cult following that create something that almost resembles something competent.

"'Dragon's Dogma' was awesome! Yeah, it had glitches up the ass, and it's core structure was as basic as can be, but some of it's combat was alright, so it was incredible!. Totally underrated! The big games could learn a thing or two from this game...that was shitty in 90% of it's areas. I mean, I got to climb on a big troll in DD, and it reminded me of a classic PS2 game! AMAZING! I haven't been this impressed since 'Greedfall'! I love games that remind me of other bigger games that I shit on, but aren't nearly as good!"

Lulz.
True, altough with Bethesda, it wasn't just the botched Fallout 76 launch, it was the fact they indifferently teased TES VI while continuing to do nothing but release Skyrim over and over again.

That would have been okay, but after the first three DLC expansions, the last of which-- Dragonborn-- released in December 2012, the ongoing expansion of content for the game was nonexistent. Given, part of the appeal of sandbox games is that the community can act as a co-developer fountaining an endless stream of content, but it gets a bit ridiculous when the developer itself finally releases a graphics upgrade for the game three years after it was appropriate, that upgrade is little more than an inferior, curated appropriation of a community mod that has existed for years, and that source mod itself has already been superseded by a more sophisticated, higher-resolution successor mod that was already out before the developer's official release of the antiquated graphics upgrade they appropriated. Nobody expects them to keep up with modders, but to quote Bill Burr, c'mon, at what point are you gonna pick up your end of the couch?

Instead, they squandered their time developing an MMO that nobody asked for, and as far as I can tell, that pretty much still nobody plays (there's still more daily players on Steam for Skyrim than ESO).
 
Instead, they squandered their time developing an MMO that nobody asked for, and as far as I can tell, that pretty much still nobody plays (there's still more daily players on Steam for Skyrim than ESO).

I could be wrong but I think their MMO is actually doing quite well now. I got into it for a bit and it’s actually really good. It was like $8 on steam so I took a chance. I didn’t stick with it cause I’m just tired of MMOs but I was impressed. They still keep pumping out expansions for it so I imagine it’s at least doing well enough to keep investing into.
 
True, altough with Bethesda, it wasn't just the botched Fallout 76 launch, it was the fact they indifferently teased TES VI while continuing to do nothing but release Skyrim over and over again.

That would have been okay, but after the first three DLC expansions, the last of which-- Dragonborn-- released in December 2012, the ongoing expansion of content for the game was nonexistent. Given, part of the appeal of sandbox games is that the community can act as a co-developer fountaining an endless stream of content, but it gets a bit ridiculous when the developer itself finally releases a graphics upgrade for the game three years after it was appropriate, that upgrade is little more than an inferior, curated appropriation of a community mod that has existed for years, and that source mod itself has already been superseded by a more sophisticated, higher-resolution successor mod that was already out before the developer's official release of the antiquated graphics upgrade they appropriated. Nobody expects them to keep up with modders, but to quote Bill Burr, c'mon, at what point are you gonna pick up your end of the couch?

Instead, they squandered their time developing an MMO that nobody asked for, and as far as I can tell, that pretty much still nobody plays (there's still more daily players on Steam for Skyrim than ESO).
ESO has been very succesful for them. Using Steam numbers does not show everything as it is available on PC without Steam, as well as both Playstation and Xbox. But with all their microstranctions and everything, it has done well for itself.
 
True, altough with Bethesda, it wasn't just the botched Fallout 76 launch, it was the fact they indifferently teased TES VI while continuing to do nothing but release Skyrim over and over again.

That would have been okay, but after the first three DLC expansions, the last of which-- Dragonborn-- released in December 2012, the ongoing expansion of content for the game was nonexistent. Given, part of the appeal of sandbox games is that the community can act as a co-developer fountaining an endless stream of content, but it gets a bit ridiculous when the developer itself finally releases a graphics upgrade for the game three years after it was appropriate, that upgrade is little more than an inferior, curated appropriation of a community mod that has existed for years, and that source mod itself has already been superseded by a more sophisticated, higher-resolution successor mod that was already out before the developer's official release of the antiquated graphics upgrade they appropriated. Nobody expects them to keep up with modders, but to quote Bill Burr, c'mon, at what point are you gonna pick up your end of the couch?

Instead, they squandered their time developing an MMO that nobody asked for, and as far as I can tell, that pretty much still nobody plays (there's still more daily players on Steam for Skyrim than ESO).
Can't even play ESO decently in Australia, no OCE servers lol.
 
This new deep dive into the gameplay and mechanics was fantastic. It cant come soon enough. IM actually rather shocked how good the combat looks, including the ship battles. They look notably better than the recent Star Wars Outlaws gameplay reveal. The detail is just insane. The ship building alone will probably get people to invest dozens of hours.

 
This new deep dive into the gameplay and mechanics was fantastic. It cant come soon enough. IM actually rather shocked how good the combat looks, including the ship battles. They look notably better than the recent Star Wars Outlaws gameplay reveal. The detail is just insane. The ship building alone will probably get people to invest dozens of hours.


Skimmed this. If the game is 1/4 as good as it looks. Man. It's gonna be something.
 
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