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STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

If you have seen STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, how would you rate it?


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The lack of respect showed towards Luke, no, the disdain continues to make this film unforgivable to me. The hero who brought Darth Vader back to the light, rejected the Emperor and saved the rebellion, this isn't him. Luke Skywalker was one of my few childhood heroes when it came to TV and film and I can't let this go. The only money Disney will get from me for Star Wars is an unaltered original trilogy on Blu-ray.
 
That's hard to factor in how negatively something is going to be received; no one in Hollywood knows anything. It's easy to make corrections in hindsight, but I daresay it's more of a challenge than this guy below thinks.


What did you say about cognitive dissonance earlier?

You had like an hour, man.

Yet the other major studios seem to have figured it out by making sure the directors and producers are on the same page.additionally, they do test screening that influences the final decisions.

Luke dying was gonna get a negative reaction no matter what. However, if Rian was competent enough, the reaction would have been more along the lines of Han's death, where fans were like "Uh...that was kind of lame"

Oh, and yes I mentioned cognitive dissonance because The Last Jedi is so contradictory in what is shows us and what is tells us or presents to us. It shows and tells us that sacrificing yourself for the greater good is honorable.....only when it's Finn's turn...then it's all "We won't win by fighting what we hate".....okay, now the defense against this is Finn had no chance of stopping that laser because his ship was already disintegrating...umm, okay, how do you know that for a fact. The film SHOWED us that he had a chance. I don't care if Rian Johnson comes out and states "If Rose didn't do what she did, Finn would have died or nothing because his pod was not gonna stop that cannon".

In general, the whole film is internally inconsistent. It preaches letting the past die, trying a new way, killing the past, etc.....only to backtrack and hit the reset button. This happens when Kylo asks Rey to join him...all this build up only for her to revert back to where we were.

Then the whole theme of failure...ugh. If the main theme of the film is failure...doesn't really make sense that the one major character who doesn't fail horribly is the main protagonist!!!! Don't tell me "She failed to turn Kylo"......The fact that she even made it out of Snoke's ship alive is bullshit. Plus, she defeated Kylo in a raw force power tug o war. Just a few days after learning how to use the force for the first time!
 
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you must not know Mariah very well....

Do tell. I find her way of trying to mock posts she disagrees with quite cringeworthy...considering she does it with certain memes that come across as pretentious.
 
Let me remind everyone of the score and perhaps EASE the tension of those that rated above a 5.

When I voted, I voted in terms as a movie score, not a Star Wars score. I voted a 6 and its where id still place it in the realm of all movies, entirely.
 
.....okay, now the defense against this is Finn had no chance of stopping that laser because his ship was already disintegrating...umm, okay, how do you know that for a fact. The film SHOWED us that he had a chance. I don't care if Rian Johnson comes out and states "If Rose didn't do what she did, Finn would have died or nothing because his pod was not gonna stop that cannon".
Your proposition focuses on something impossible, attempting to counter story plot points with the presumption of reality. The question of whether Finn would have succeeded is moot because STAR WARS is not real, and because it's not real there's no way to tell what would happen outside of the story. (Moot meaning arguable, not pointless, and as people can see the argument never ends until understanding is brooked.) My understanding of your statement, therefore, isn't about the reality of the story points -- but rather the depiction of story narrative. As depicted, the story points did not satisfy you -- and you use words like "internally inconsistent" and "[in]competent" to express your disappointment with said depiction. Yes, I well understand that TLJ gave you some things you didn't want to see. The difficult part for you is that other people have a different opinion, which is why using phrases like "cognitive dissonance" is often bushleague trollwork and self-incriminating.

To ignore analysis that understands and appreciates the film, and say stuff like "Even if Rian Johnson flat-out says otherwise I don't care" -- that's cognitive dissonance.

But I wouldn't say it's pathetic per se.
It shows and tells us that sacrificing yourself for the greater good is honorable.....
This is oversimplification and that's not your fault, namely because this is a STAR WARS film. No one expects nuance from a pew pew lasersword.

The film isn't about sacrificing oneself for the greater good as it is about Doing Right Action (lol, I used Purity of Intent at one point; I can only imagine the eye-rolling here), that is: accounting for the cost involved in taking such actions. As examples: Poe was right in wanting to destroy the Dreadnaught, AND Leia wanted him to learn the meaning of casualties. Finn was right to want to defend Crait BUT he shouldn't die because destroying the cannon would not have been much defense due to the remaining First Order fleet and the lack of Resistance aid (remember: Rose has no idea Luke will arrive). Holdo's command has no obligation to inform Poe BUT her actions led to rash planning and mutiny.

It's easy to not-appreciate this level of mature decision-making when you want things to be simple and obviously one way or the other. Ambiguity and ambivalence are not always welcome, particularly in films that started as kids' films.
 
The lack of respect showed towards Luke, no, the disdain continues to make this film unforgivable to me. The hero who brought Darth Vader back to the light, rejected the Emperor and saved the rebellion, this isn't him. Luke Skywalker was one of my few childhood heroes when it came to TV and film and I can't let this go. The only money Disney will get from me for Star Wars is an unaltered original trilogy on Blu-ray.
You have just brought back all my hate for this piece of shit and I thank you.

It's an absolute disgrace, these cunts buy Star Wars and make everything non-canon and change everyone's stories and make the greatest Jedi of all time a titty sucking, autistic wimp? Unreal.
 
Do tell. I find her way of trying to mock posts she disagrees with quite cringeworthy...considering she does it with certain memes that come across as pretentious.
oh then you ARE familiar with her work.
 
Having said that, this is an example of Good Mariah.

Your proposition focuses on something impossible, attempting to counter story plot points with the presumption of reality. The question of whether Finn would have succeeded is moot because STAR WARS is not real, and because it's not real there's no way to tell what would happen outside of the story. (Moot meaning arguable, not pointless, and as people can see the argument never ends until understanding is brooked.) My understanding of your statement, therefore, isn't about the reality of the story points -- but rather the depiction of story narrative. As depicted, the story points did not satisfy you -- and you use words like "internally inconsistent" and "[in]competent" to express your disappointment with said depiction. Yes, I well understand that TLJ gave you some things you didn't want to see. The difficult part for you is that other people have a different opinion, which is why using phrases like "cognitive dissonance" is often bushleague trollwork and self-incriminating.

To ignore analysis that understands and appreciates the film, and say stuff like "Even if Rian Johnson flat-out says otherwise I don't care" -- that's cognitive dissonance.

But I wouldn't say it's pathetic per se.

This is oversimplification and that's not your fault, namely because this is a STAR WARS film. No one expects nuance from a pew pew lasersword.

The film isn't about sacrificing oneself for the greater good as it is about Doing Right Action (lol, I used Purity of Intent at one point; I can only imagine the eye-rolling here), that is: accounting for the cost involved in taking such actions. As examples: Poe was right in wanting to destroy the Dreadnaught, AND Leia wanted him to learn the meaning of casualties. Finn was right to want to defend Crait BUT he shouldn't die because destroying the cannon would not have been much defense due to the remaining First Order fleet and the lack of Resistance aid (remember: Rose has no idea Luke will arrive). Holdo's command has no obligation to inform Poe BUT her actions led to rash planning and mutiny.

It's easy to not-appreciate this level of mature decision-making when you want things to be simple and obviously one way or the other. Ambiguity and ambivalence are not always welcome, particularly in films that started as kids' films.
 
You get back what you put in, people.

Good Mariah tickets are still on sale at this year's LOL-apalooza. Bring your own hemp for the basketweaving portions of our songlist.
 
oh then you ARE familiar with her work.

Thanks man. Always good to know these things. I won't waste any more time on her.

Her "I understand nuance isn't something you're accustomed to in blockbusters" comment makes it sound like she is an older conservative film critic who is just realizing that Sci-Fi films can be more than just black and white camp.
 
Do..... do you think I really sound like a film critic?

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no but you look like an uglier and less chin having ebert.
W-when McDonald's asks Roger what he'd like to order, Roger says YES!

"You don't get it. What's important is the theme of failure, not nitpicking on plot"
More like: when you're right you're right and when you're wrong you're wrong. But thanks all the same, Paul Newbman.
 
The only money Disney will get from me for Star Wars is an unaltered original trilogy on Blu-ray.

Why release an unaltered original trilogy when we can go back now and make young Luke into the loser he always was deep down inside?
 
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