STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Myrddin Wild]

Your all inclusive essay, is primarily your understanding of left out backstory , and has almost no reference to the question “what are you excited about and looking forward too after TLJ??”

I was wondering when my 5th favorite casual would show up.

Strange that I described to you exactly how a massive war is brewing & gave several examples of how the main characters might develop & you reduce it to this.

As much as you talk about loving TLJ, and talking it to death defending it like a momma cougar defending her cubs, I would have anticipated much more from you than

That's because you're not actually understanding things. If you reduce my essay on where the next movie can go as you described above then you either didn't read it or you're not smart enough to comprehend it. Neither would surprise me.

“ I hope we get to see a grown up broom kid”

Which isn’t happening, this trilogy is continuous and runs back to back.

Wait around for Rians trilogy if it ever happens now, broom kid is sure to be the main character

I think the later is pretty obvious with your response here. My point about the broom kid was that if there's a 10 year gap... then broom kid is a foreshadowing that is telling us more force users will be developed. It has nothing to do with broom kid the individual... outside of the fact that he was the vessel to describe that a new generation was on the way.

No wonder you guys need everything spelled out to you in the movie if you're not even smart enough to understand that.

 

[EvilDDS]

Your all inclusive essay, is primarily your understanding of left out backstory , and has almost no reference to the question “what are you excited about and looking forward too after TLJ??”

I can only gleam that you look forward to a 10+ year time jump with broom kid , which luckily for you I’m sure will be Rians trilogy, if he is still allowed to make it now.

To me broom kid felt primarily like an advertisement for Rians trilogy.

“Remember broom kid from TLJ? Now he has his own trilogy, Rians very own “Luke Skywalker, in theaters this Christmas “

Leaving JJ’s Force awakens we had all kinds of shit we were pondering and talking about , drooling for TLJ to come out and raced to the movies to finally answer our questions. Which none of got answered, we were slapped in the face and left with no new questions or anything to really be excited about.

As much as you talk about loving TLJ, and talking it to death defending it like a momma cougar defending her cubs, I would have anticipated much more from you than

“ I hope we get to see a grown up broom kid”

Which isn’t happening, this trilogy is continuous and runs back to back.

Wait around for Rians trilogy if it ever happens now, broom kid is sure to be the main character

JJ taking over, not sure if it’s a pissing contest between these directors but JJ says he will tie every single movie together, that’s a huge task!!!
Wildo is super knowledgeable in this whole Star Wars lore, he knows his shit!!! I get it, movies don’t explain everything, we’re here to try an fill in the gaps! Don’t attack us, we’re trying to have a friendly convo, the universe has gone the way of Marvel, you need to read a ton of shit to understand the whole story

My 2 cents. @One MMA Fan @Myrddin Wild and @Mariah Larry have a phenomenal grasp on this new universe

I grew up watching A New Hope in the theatre! I was 5, yep I’m old. If you follow my insta then you know I’m still a fan. Me, Wildo, and One disagree on a ton of things but we hear each other out

I never read the books or comics before TFA, but now I’m so in, and that’s how the kids are today. I see a ton o new fans everyday, they love the new stories, hate the old(they think they’re boring), blame it on ADD or the Internet

Anyway, if you have questions, we’re here to anwser to our best knowledge. I have 35-40
Canon books under my knowledge and all the comics, which are awesome

 

[EvilDDS]

His Imperial janitorial training? JK

Yeah that death is lame. He was looking like he was getting ready to actually do something too. I don't even get why he's there. Doesn't he have any other bounties to hunt? Does he work security for Jaba when bounties are scarce? Did he make so much from Han that he retired and was just hanging out trying to have a good time?

See I like this! Exactly! Boba just chilling, sitting on his bounty? Retired? Was Han worth that much?

 

[90 50]

I was wondering when my 5th favorite casual would show up.

Strange that I described to you exactly how a massive war is brewing & gave several examples of how the main characters might develop & you reduce it to this.

That's because you're not actually understanding things. If you reduce my essay on where the next movie can go as you described above then you either didn't read it or you're not smart enough to comprehend it. Neither would surprise me.
I think the later is pretty obvious with your response here. My point about the broom kid was that if there's a 10 year gap... then broom kid is a foreshadowing that is telling us more force users will be developed. It has nothing to do with broom kid the individual... outside of the fact that he was the vessel to describe that a new generation was on the way.

No wonder you guys need everything spelled out to you in the movie if you're not even smart enough to understand that.

There’s not gonna be a ten year gap, everyone knows a war is brewing, the force was awakened of course we will see a new generation , the galaxy has ALWAYS been filled with those who could connect with the force, they just didn’t have an outlet for it without the Jedi Council hunting them down



So what you are left with at the end of the day for you is, “I’m just gonna wait for Rians trilogy”

 

[Myrddin Wild]

You're ITT saying it doesn't matter or effect the quality of a film if important information is actually in the movie or if audiences have to read about it on the internet....

You may be a hardcore Star Wars brand loyalist, but you're obviously a casual film viewer.

You've done no educating to speak of, you haven't told me anything worth appreciating.

Well I've certainly educated you on the fact that Snoke's backstory is completely irrelevant to the film.

You just don't want to hear it.

lol... this pissing contest has it's value, but you & the other handfull of people who didn't like TLJ who continue to haunt this place are so one sided in your thoughts that you can't take in any new information. You just want everyone to agree with you so that you can have your hater circle jerk.

I actually do listen to things you couple dozen people say... & I've even adjusted some of my understanding based on being pressed by your conversations. I don't see any of you doing that no matter how compelling the argument it. I've even out right proven some of you straight up wrong, but do I get any acknowledgement. F*ck no I didn't... the topic was then ignored & diverted to another subject. I'm not sure you guys reallize you're doing this.

Like this 51/50 guy who read my essay on where Ep. 9 could go & he reduced it to dribble when I actually gave valid canon information about the state of the universe & where this could go. Did he acknowledge even one single thing? No he did not. He pissed on the whole thing & reduced it to nothing. I guarantee you that even that casual could pick out many interesting tidbits about what I said, but he chose to argue with me instead & make it out like nothing I said was valid. It's so obviously bullshit that it amazes me y'all wonder why I don't take you seriously sometimes.

 

[Mike]

They also just nonchalantly shuffle between calling themselves "the first order, empire, rebels and resistance," so it's totally jarring. It's like the writers aren't even sure what they're writing and nobody is proofreading. It's just a strange mess.

Yeah I got a really poor sense of what exactly defined both sides. It felt rushed and honestly like something a kid would sketch out playing around "these are the good guys and these are the bad guys, that's all you need to know"

 

[EvilDDS]

Somebody yelled "you have to fuckin kidding me" in the theater I was at when they showed the broom kid at the end.

Why though? The entire series has Force children, Clone wars, Rebels have entire arcs on destroying these kids before they become
Powerful. Hell even the comics.

 

[Mike]

We actually got no backstory on the emperor or any of that in the first trilogy till 2 decadez later when the sequels came out. You don't need it. You know all you need to know when they show up with all this fire power.

I get your point of view though, don't get me wrong.

Yeah I kinda expected better storytelling in this trilogy. Although tbf to the originals, the Emperor was just so dripping with menace and danger that you didn't need more. Same with Vader, you really don't get that much info on him. They're mysterious, and it works because they make them SO imposing that knowing more about them is almost counterproductive, because it kills the mystery.

In comparison with these films I don't feel that visceral connection to any of the antagonists, so i need to know more if I'm going to get invested in them, and have any sort of tension or stakes.

 

[chickenluver]

We actually got no backstory on the emperor or any of that in the first trilogy till 2 decadez later when the sequels came out. You don't need it. You know all you need to know when they show up with all this fire power.

Those movies weren't building on an already established continuity. We knew there was an evil tyrannical Empire that rules the galaxy. We knew there had been a conflict called the clone wars. We knew that there had been guardians of peace and order called Jedi that were wiped out. We knew a former Jedi had turned to evil and sided with the Empire. We knew that there had formally been a galactic senate which had just been disbanded near the start of the original film. The Emperor was the ruler of this Empire. We didn't need to know how exactly he got there or how everything got to be the way it was. An evil Empire needs an evil Emperor, it's as simple as that. He wasn't even originally conceived of as an evil force user. When the first film was made the idea was that he was just a normal politician, albeit one in a supreme position of power. That's probably why they barely mention him in that film.

These new movies are supposed to be sequels. Somehow all the good that was done in the OT has been undone, there's a new evil Empire and a new evil Emperor. Normally it requires some explanation as to how exactly the state of the galaxy has been reset back to default. Then Last Jedi makes him the cause of Kylo Ren's corruption, and therefore Luke's uncharacteristic abandoning of all his family, friends and values, yet also kills him off with no additional information provided. It's lazy world building, and anticlimactic storytelling.

 

[90 50]

JJ taking over, not sure if it’s a pissing contest between these directors but JJ says he will tie every single movie together, that’s a huge task!!!
Wildo is super knowledgeable in this whole Star Wars lore, he knows his shit!!! I get it, movies don’t explain everything, we’re here to try an fill in the gaps! Don’t attack us, we’re trying to have a friendly convo, the universe has gone the way of Marvel, you need to read a ton of shit to understand the whole story

My 2 cents. @One MMA Fan @Myrddin Wild and @Mariah Larry have a phenomenal grasp on this new universe

I grew up watching A New Hope in the theatre! I was 5, yep I’m old. If you follow my insta then you know I’m still a fan. Me, Wildo, and One disagree on a ton of things but we hear each other out

I never read the books or comics before TFA, but now I’m so in, and that’s how the kids are today. I see a ton o new fans everyday, they love the new stories, hate the old(they think they’re boring), blame it on ADD or the Internet

Anyway, if you have questions, we’re here to anwser to our best knowledge. I have 35-40
Canon books under my knowledge and all the comics, which are awesome

It’s not a pissing contest, MW will tell you through all our interactions I don’t care one way or the other who liked or doesn’t like TLJ, I don’t like it , but I want to know why, those who did did, and what they are excited to see next, that was a take away from TLJ.

I don’t care what’s in Canon and non canon material, for the point of these discussions it’s about what the MOVIES left us with, and by far the best defense is it’s in the afterthought books.

I’m only slightly younger than you, and saw Star Wars shortly after theatrical release before Empire came out and saw Empire in theater.

I was a bantha tracks member for a long time, I have a bantha tracks club member shirt signed by David Proust from when I met him as a kid (he did an appearance dressed up as Vader at a local car dealership lol, this was before Comic Con bahaha)

I don’t need or want Info from books to voice my opinion about what I did not like about the movies that’s the whole point most are trying to make.

Oh you didn’t like snoke not having any backstory in the Movie? Read the books NOOB! That’s not helping defend the shitty writing and plot direction in the movie at all.

 

[EvilDDS]

Yeah I kinda expected better storytelling in this trilogy. Although tbf to the originals, the Emperor was just so dripping with menace and danger that you didn't need more. Same with Vader, you really don't get that much info on him. They're mysterious, and it works because they make them SO imposing that knowing more about them is almost counterproductive, because it kills the mystery.

In comparison with these films I don't feel that visceral connection to any of the antagonists, so i need to know more if I'm going to get invested in them, and have any sort of tension or stakes.

Would his story play in this new trilogy? I understand! Would the fans bitch on Palps if that story was played out in this day?

 

[Mike]

See I like this! Exactly! Boba just chilling, sitting on his bounty? Retired? Was Han worth that much?

I always assumed he was working security for Jabba. Jabba doesn't seem at all surprised or intimidated when Luke shows up. I think he KNEW Han's friends would come for him sooner rather than later, and Fett was part of his contingency plan. It's left open to interpretation, but in a good way I think.

 

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[90 50]

Those movies weren't building on an already established continuity. We knew there was an evil tyrannical Empire that rules the galaxy. We knew there had been a conflict called the clone wars. We knew that there had been guardians of peace and order called Jedi that were wiped out. We knew a former Jedi had turned to evil and sided with the Empire. We knew that there had formally been a galactic senate which had just been disbanded near the start of the original film. The Emperor was the ruler of this Empire. We didn't need to know how exactly he got there or how everything got to be the way it was. An evil Empire needs an evil Emperor, it's as simple as that. He was even originally conceived of as an evil force user. When the first film was made the idea was that he was just a normal politician, albeit one in a supreme position of power. That's probably why they barely mention him in that film.

These new movies are supposed to be sequels. Somehow all the good that was done in the OT has been undone, there's a new evil Empire and a new evil Emperor. Normally it requires some explanation as to how exactly the state of the galaxy has been reset back to default. Then Last Jedi makes him the cause of Kylo Ren's corruption, and therefore Luke's uncharacteristic abandoning of all his family, friends and values, yet also kills him off with no additional information provided. It's lazy world building, and anticlimactic storytelling.

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[EvilDDS]

It’s not a pissing contest, MW will tell you through all our interactions I don’t care one way or the other who liked or doesn’t like TLJ, I don’t like it , but I want to know why, those who did did, and what they are excited to see next, that was a take away from TLJ.

I don’t care what’s in Canon and non canon material, for the point of these discussions it’s about what the MOVIES left us with, and by far the best defense is it’s in the afterthought books.

I’m only slightly younger than you, and saw Star Wars shortly after theatrical release before Empire came out and saw Empire in theater.

I was a bantha tracks member for a long time, I have a bantha tracks club member shirt signed by David Proust from when I met him as a kid (he did an appearance dressed up as Vader at a local car dealership lol, this was before Comic Con bahaha)

I don’t need or want Info from books to voice my opinion about what I did not like about the movies that’s the whole point most are trying to make.

Oh you didn’t like snoke not having any backstory in the Movie? Read the books NOOB! That’s not helping defend the shitty writing and plot direction in the movie at all.

Ok I’m actually jealous you met David Prowse! He’s the man! Did you see that documentary he has out about how’s he’s banned from SW conventions? That’s sad! Even about how the whole day when they’re doing the Vader mask release And security won’t let him on set

 

[90 50]

I always assumed he was working security for Jabba. Jabba doesn't seem at all surprised or intimidated when Luke shows up. I think he KNEW Han's friends would come for him sooner rather than later, and Fett was part of his contingency plan. It's left open to interpretation, but in a good way I think.

I never thought there was anything secret about it when he says he needs Solo alive, basically I’m here for you but my main employer has plans too

 

[EvilDDS]

It’s not a pissing contest, MW will tell you through all our interactions I don’t care one way or the other who liked or doesn’t like TLJ, I don’t like it , but I want to know why, those who did did, and what they are excited to see next, that was a take away from TLJ.

I don’t care what’s in Canon and non canon material, for the point of these discussions it’s about what the MOVIES left us with, and by far the best defense is it’s in the afterthought books.

I’m only slightly younger than you, and saw Star Wars shortly after theatrical release before Empire came out and saw Empire in theater.

I was a bantha tracks member for a long time, I have a bantha tracks club member shirt signed by David Proust from when I met him as a kid (he did an appearance dressed up as Vader at a local car dealership lol, this was before Comic Con bahaha)

I don’t need or want Info from books to voice my opinion about what I did not like about the movies that’s the whole point most are trying to make.

Oh you didn’t like snoke not having any backstory in the Movie? Read the books NOOB! That’s not helping defend the shitty writing and plot direction in the movie at all.

For this finale, would you rather JJ or Rian? I seriously think JJ will make a good movie, I could be wrong and flame me if it happens. They offered JJ the position that KK had and he flat out refused

 

[Myrddin Wild]

There’s not gonna be a ten year gap,

That's one opinion. There very well could be.

everyone knows a war is brewing

Yes, but everyone does not know that the New Republic still has a star fleet spread out across all its members. There are a lot of people who think blowing up those planets in TFA & then wiping out the rebels is a lock. There are also a lot of people who don't realize the First Order is much bigger than those 8 ships you saw following the Raddus. So you're welcome for my information telling you otherwise... that you reduced to nothing in your response.

the force was awakened of course we will see a new generation

That's not obvious. The force was awakened in Rey. The only indication we've gotten so far about anyone else has been broom kid which your hater group seems so eager to talk sh*t about.

the galaxy has ALWAYS been filled with those who could connect with the force, they just didn’t have an outlet for it without the Jedi Council hunting them down

Well, you got a point there... but broom kid was essential to allow people to understand that. Now, we have to think about why they did that. Why did they make a point to show us that other people still have the force? This is the reason I speculate that there's going to be a gap in the timeline. I don't care either way.... I just presented a point of view that says they put broom kid in there for a reason... & if these casual force users aren't going to be trained.... then what's even the point of that scene. That's why I find it likely there's a time gap. It's just a theory.

So what you are left with at the end of the day for you is, “I’m just gonna wait for Rians trilogy”

All that cool stuff I outlined in my essay & you reduce it to that... please man... you gotta be trolling. Basically, I outlined an epic battle with examples of how the main characters might be involved & gave a couple of different scenarios based on whether or not there's a time gap... & you're saying oh, well that's obvious so it doesn't count. Lol... everything is obvious once I've pointed it all out.

 

[90 50]

Ok I’m actually jealous you met David Prowse! He’s the man! Did you see that documentary he has out about how’s he’s banned from SW conventions? That’s sad! Even about how the whole day when they’re doing the Vader mask release And security won’t let him on set

Yeah that was crazy

Have you seen this trailer for the new sci fi documentary coming out?

 

[Mike]

Those movies weren't building on an already established continuity. We knew there was an evil tyrannical Empire that rules the galaxy. We knew there had been a conflict called the clone wars. We knew that there had been guardians of peace and order called Jedi that were wiped out. We knew a former Jedi had turned to evil and sided with the Empire. We knew that there had formally been a galactic senate which had just been disbanded near the start of the original film. The Emperor was the ruler of this Empire. We didn't need to know how exactly he got there or how everything got to be the way it was. An evil Empire needs an evil Emperor, it's as simple as that. He was even originally conceived of as an evil force user. When the first film was made the idea was that he was just a normal politician, albeit one in a supreme position of power. That's probably why they barely mention him in that film.

These new movies are supposed to be sequels. Somehow all the good that was done in the OT has been undone, there's a new evil Empire and a new evil Emperor. Normally it requires some explanation as to how exactly the state of the galaxy has been reset back to default. Then Last Jedi makes him the cause of Kylo Ren's corruption, and therefore Luke's uncharacteristic abandoning of all his family, friends and values, yet also kills him off with no additional information provided. It's lazy world building, and anticlimactic storytelling.

To me Star Wars is the ultimate example of less is more, and sometimes it's good to leave some plot elements shadowy. You hear about the clone wars and it sounds so mysterious, you're thinking wow what could THAT conflict possibly have been like? It works because Star Wars is an epic set in the ashes and the shadows of a clash that was far greater in scale, unimaginably so. And then only filling those blanks in with EU stories, you're still forced to use your own imagination to fill in the blanks. Then the prequels came out and it was like... meh. It was much better in my imagination.


And ultimately, there's few things that can live up to your imagination. For me it's a rare and memorable moment when something does. The Kotor games do the same thing. They mention the Mandalorian conflict, how brutal and horrific it was, capped off by the jedi using a weapon of mass destruction. And then the game takes off from there and you have your own adventures, informed by that conflict without clumsily going through all of it in underwhelming flashbacks. It's a fine balancing act.