STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[D3THRONED]

"lack luster and no depth". I do feel star wars is probably the most over rated movie series of all time. that being said, TFA had it's flaws (death star 2.0, rehashed plot) but it left me feeling hyped as fuck for the next movie. TLJ made me not give a shit about star wars at all. they really fucked up the characters outside of crylo. no ones attached to rey, I could give a shit less if she died in the movies. poe was a awesome character in tfa and they completely dropped the ball with him by wasting half the movie on a meaningless poorly written subplot with a forced romance between finn and rose.

Also, Rey is one of the most poorly written heroines. No hurdle to overcome, no challenges she must persevere through, no training other than meditating on a rock. for a main character and someone who's suppose to be the new face of "jedi", I couldn't give a fuck less about her. there's not really much they can do with episode 9 now imo. only thing remotely interesting is having Rey die or having her fall to the dark side. are we really supposed to be hyped for crylo vs Rey 3 when we know damn well she won't lose (if she does that's also pretty poor writing they've put themselves into a corner when it comes to this).

there is definitely a change of tone now when it comes to star wars, people aren't talking about it as much in general and most have already forgotten about it. with TFA people were talking for 2 years about it. hell TFA is the reason TLJ did so well with money because it left us some hype to look forward to. this doesn't and it's extremely forgettable and lacks rewatchablity.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

How were they proven correct?
I didn't like TFA, but I had questions at the end. There was a range of directions the story and characters could have gone. Even if Abrams hadn't had a trilogy mapped out in detail, there was at least plenty of room for him to come up with something interesting with the ground work he set. He didn't write himself into a foxhole.
I also find it kind of hard to believe that Abram would have no idea where he wanted the story to go. Comparing a TV show, especially one like Lost, to a big franchise like SW doesn't make sense. There is nomway he would get away with making some big, ambiguous ending to a reboot SW trilogy, there's too much on the line, and too many studio people to please for that to have happened

I agreed with your first paragraph tho

They were proven correct in that its been openly admitted Abrams did not have plans in place for how the stories he introduces would carry forward, just as with Lost. Perhaps more importantly though I think he used mystery's to cover a lack of depth in his film.

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

i think they totally screwed up the entire series. as a kid, the first three, original movies were my all time favorites. i loved nothing more than star wars. i had the toys and everything. then the new versions cam out and sucked. but i still hung in there. then these last three have just killed it even though they were better than the last three. it just didnt feel special anymore, just like some hipsters doing a space movie.

i havent actually even seen this movie and am in no hurry to do so. it is so bad, i dont even remember which of the last 2 i saw. i am pretty sure i saw both, but am not even sure.

 

[Gotardo J.]

i think both originals and prequels were poorly made movies, but at least they had a great story and interesting characters. disney sequels have nothing. a reasonable person can't give this trash movie 6+.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

They were proven correct in that its been openly admitted Abrams did not have plans in place for how the stories he introduces would carry forward, just as with Lost. Perhaps more importantly though I think he used mystery's to cover a lack of depth in his film.

A huge difference here is that we're talking about the beginning and ending of something. Which is why this criticism ive read here a lot seems silly to me
TFA was written in a way that it was open. He didn't need to have an exact story in tact. The next person to take up the helm had a lot of room to work with. Very few questions were answered, which is perfect for the next guy, because all he has to do is fill in the blanks.

That is entirely different from finishing a series/movie with a question mark.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

A huge difference here is that we're talking about the beginning and ending of something. Which is why this criticism ive read here a lot seems silly to me
TFA was written in a way that it was open. He didn't need to have an exact story in tact. The next person to take up the helm had a lot of room to work with. Very few questions were answered, which is perfect for the next guy, because all he has to do is fill in the blanks.

That is entirely different from finishing a series/movie with a question mark.

The original Starwars film was written as a potential opening to a series of films yet it did not fall back to selling mystery's to nearly the same degree as TFA, instead it spent more time introducing its characters and setting.

Abram,s mystery boxes for me are just a cheap writing tactic, handing down the hard work to someone else.

 

[D3THRONED]

They were proven correct in that its been openly admitted Abrams did not have plans in place for how the stories he introduces would carry forward, just as with Lost. Perhaps more importantly though I think he used mystery's to cover a lack of depth in his film.

well it's kind of hard to do that when you use multiple directors for a trilogy. of course he didn't know what was going to happen in 8 because he wasn't directing it. maybe if he had the keys to all 3 it would make more sense.

 

[Bob Gray]

One thing the OT firmly established is Jedi go into exile/hiding when shit fucks up and are needed the most.

How is Luke any different from established lore?

I think it's a mistake to conflate the actions of one or two jedi and assume all jedis would act the same way, even given the completely different circumstances.

Obi-Wan and Yoda were beaten. The Jedi were almost completely wiped out and their ties were gone. Luke, on the other hand, thought the best thing to do was let his own family member become ever more corrupted by what he knows to be the most insidious influence in the galaxy. In fact he thinks the best thing to do is not just nothing, but to let the dark side win. Because he's gonna let the jedi die, but that isnt going to stop the dark side users or anything.

The fact that Obi Wan and Ben went into hiding doesnt make it comparable to Luke going into isolation.

 

[Bob Gray]

A huge difference here is that we're talking about the beginning and ending of something. Which is why this criticism ive read here a lot seems silly to me
TFA was written in a way that it was open. He didn't need to have an exact story in tact. The next person to take up the helm had a lot of room to work with. Very few questions were answered, which is perfect for the next guy, because all he has to do is fill in the blanks.

That is entirely different from finishing a series/movie with a question mark.

Yeah, thats one of the big problems for a lot of people. There were threads built up all over FA, and now Johnson has all but cut them off and replaced them with nothing.

I recently read an article where the original ending of FA was Rey comes up to Luke and he's in meditation levitating some boulders in a circle. I can understand preferring the ending as it is, but the point is that Johnson just went into a "fuck all the build up" mode and just starched it all. So even if people like the movie, Im struggling to see what exactly its building up to for the climax of the trilogy other than the inevitable Rey/Ren altercation that has effectively had all the suspense sucked out of it by Rey being every bit of Rens equal if not more so considering their backgrounds.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

The original Starwars film was written as a potential opening to a series of films yet it did not fall back to selling mystery's to nearly the same degree as TFA, instead it spent more time introducing its characters and setting.

Abram,s mystery boxes for me are just a cheap writing tactic, handing down the hard work to someone else.

Im not defending Abrams work or style, but his film was also meant to revive that SW nostalgia, and do a passing of the torch from the old to the new. He wasn't just making a simple film

And i don't see how Abrams is giving harder work than Johnson just did.
If you're making movies, creation should be your thing. Abrams left plenty of room on the canvas to paint.
I don't know where the hell the next movie is supposed to go after TLJ.

 

[ChucksGlassJaw]

Johnson thought he could make all these clever nods to the lore and deconstruct them. The lightsaber toss was symbolic of that. He failed, badly.

I have no problem with them writing each film individually and giving creative license to each director/writer. That's how the best films are made. It's also the most dangerous route to take. Johnson's failure illustrates that.

 

[TrueBias]

I never compared Tornado Yoda to Rey. They both fuckin suck.

I was referring to attack vs tlj. Therea nothing worse than tlj.

 

[hearthstone25]

This morning I listened to a podcast episode from a few years ago (Full of Sith) discussing immediate reactions to TFA and it reminded me of how excited I was for the new trilogy after seeing TFA. TFA wasn't perfect but it was fun and seemed like a safe introduction to a new age of Star Wars.

For all the good and bad of TLJ the worst is that I'm left not being excited for the next movie. My only question is basically "where do they go from here?".

Jj abrams is probably pissed. He’s like dude you fucked up my story now I gotta save the trilogy

 

[Cantalope]

I liked this better than TFA but not as much as Rogue One.

 

[minute bull]

BooooooooOOOOOOoooooogie, mannnnnnnnn

 

[chrisdiaz]

"lack luster and no depth". I do feel star wars is probably the most over rated movie series of all time. that being said, TFA had it's flaws (death star 2.0, rehashed plot) but it left me feeling hyped as fuck for the next movie. TLJ made me not give a shit about star wars at all. they really fucked up the characters outside of crylo. no ones attached to rey, I could give a shit less if she died in the movies. poe was a awesome character in tfa and they completely dropped the ball with him by wasting half the movie on a meaningless poorly written subplot with a forced romance between finn and rose.

Also, Rey is one of the most poorly written heroines. No hurdle to overcome, no challenges she must persevere through, no training other than meditating on a rock. for a main character and someone who's suppose to be the new face of "jedi", I couldn't give a fuck less about her. there's not really much they can do with episode 9 now imo. only thing remotely interesting is having Rey die or having her fall to the dark side. are we really supposed to be hyped for crylo vs Rey 3 when we know damn well she won't lose (if she does that's also pretty poor writing they've put themselves into a corner when it comes to this).

there is definitely a change of tone now when it comes to star wars, people aren't talking about it as much in general and most have already forgotten about it. with TFA people were talking for 2 years about it. hell TFA is the reason TLJ did so well with money because it left us some hype to look forward to. this doesn't and it's extremely forgettable and lacks rewatchablity.

I love how when the fat asian girl kisses finn, you can see in his face like "fuck this better not be my chick in episode 9"

 

[chrisdiaz]

Also one of the worst lines in this movie, "what you think im going to save everyone with a laser sword?"

When the hell has a lightsaber been called a laser sword? its like they were making fun of it or something.

 

[liljoe]

Also one of the worst lines in this movie, "what you think im going to save everyone with a laser sword?"

When the hell has a lightsaber been called a laser sword? its like they were making fun of it or something.

Thats a bit nit picky. He's being facetious.

 

[minute bull]

Holy shit, it's what you've been waiting for!!

The response to Star Wars: The Last Jedi from "the fans" has been quite the story. While everyone's entitled to an opinion, many of the film's harshest critics have displayed staggering closed-mindedness when it comes to the film's attempts to do things differently. And anger plus closed-mindedness leads to some pretty silly actions.


Case in point: a fan edit has already emerged, built exclusively from videotaped pirate footage. But it's no mere series of tweaks - dubbed “The De-Feminized Fanedit,” it’s made up of mostly misogynistic (but also racist) decisions from the worst type of fan, cutting the movie down to 46 minutes of mostly male characters shouting at each other:

 

[minute bull]

Yeah, thats one of the big problems for a lot of people. There were threads built up all over FA, and now Johnson has all but cut them off and replaced them with nothing.

I recently read an article where the original ending of FA was Rey comes up to Luke and he's in meditation levitating some boulders in a circle. I can understand preferring the ending as it is, but the point is that Johnson just went into a "fuck all the build up" mode and just starched it all. So even if people like the movie, Im struggling to see what exactly its building up to for the climax of the trilogy other than the inevitable Rey/Ren altercation that has effectively had all the suspense sucked out of it by Rey being every bit of Rens equal if not more so considering their backgrounds.

Here's where you and I are nearly diametrically opposed, because I don't feel there were many threads built up in FA and LJ had the monumental task of creating a context for some painted-in corners, chiefly Luke's exile.

I feel there wasn't much more that could have been done with the character -- the ideas I've seen suggested are either predictable redundancies from earlier films (training sequences/badass lightsaber fights) or overlooking the events in FA (Force Ghost).

THE LAST JEDI added story to a blank FA Luke from (FA here stands for FuckAll). Ergo, TLJ is the film that had no choice and the next film is thie one with infinite choice. Now it's left to Abrams to do something we're all pretty sure he can't do: which is present his mystery box AND show you something good inside.