STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

If you have seen STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, how would you rate it?


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I don't understand how anyone can be this analytical and not like or at least appreciate what THE LAST JEDI accomplished.

This last statement is particularly sharp.

You yourself are your own proof.

You can elaborate if you wish, but otherwise I will say that I do recognize what The Last Jedi accomplished. I don't think Episode 8 of the Star Wars franchise was the time or forum to accomplish it, though.
 
You can elaborate if you wish, but otherwise I will say that I do recognize what The Last Jedi accomplished. I don't think Episode 8 of the Star Wars franchise was the time or forum to accomplish it, though.
You've made up a story. Right up there with "George Lucas destroyed my childhood." It's very passionate, maybe, but it's a story.
 
You've made up a story. Right up there with "George Lucas destroyed my childhood." It's very passionate, maybe, but it's a story.

I'm passionate about respecting your own audience.
 
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Feeling disrespected is not the same thing as being insulted. Pretending there is motive is to pretend a crime has occurred.

Yeah, it's ridiculous to think that this guy...

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...saw The Last Jedi as an opportunity to prove the audience wrong and show he was smarter.
 
Honestly though I do tend to think a BIG issue with TLJ was what was handed down to him by Abrams and I wouldn't actually be supprised as well if the film was also held back by Disney not being willing to have an Empire style ending or allowing Luke to really shift force use away from Jedi/Sith.

There are parts of this film that show a good deal of talent even if I don't think you can say he's blameless for the faults despite the above, perhaps an entirely new setting would be less constraining?

In terms of existing directors though Disney should IMHO be going cap in hand to Gareth Edwards and Tony Gilroy to do more anthology films.

One thing TLJ proved was the director Rian Johnson's inability to create a intriguing story line and plot. JJ left him with this giant piles of interesting questions yet Rian couldn't or wouldn't answer those in any fulfilling and clever manner. Either way, he should definitely stick with the directing job and shouldn't even touch the script. However his narcissistic nature would probably prevent it from happening.
 
This comparison is stupid and dumb and also stupid. And dumb.

It's not saying Jedi do this or that, we're saying Luke wouldn't do it. Comparing him to Yoda is stupid. He's not Yoda. He's Luke. Same with Kenobi. You might as well say now that he's a Jedi he should talk like Yoda. That's not how characterization works.

That's beside the point that the situations were completely different. Yoda and Ben had been through the clone wars and seen the entire legion of Jedi decimated and now they were being actively hunted. They both attempted to thwart Palpatine and failed and Kenobi thought Anakin was hamburger.They had exhausted their options and now were depending on Luke.

That's beside the point that Luke is acting in ways completely contradicting his established behavior. He's willing to disarm himself and face both Vader and Palpatine simply because he believed Vader, the walking murder factory, could be redeemed. Then when he sees the dark influence on his nephew, the son of his twin sister and best friend that he helped raise, his first instinct is to murder him while he sleeps. Ridiculous.

Even after, he decides the best thing to do is to let his nephew be further corrupted by what he knows to be the most insidious influence in the galaxy. and leaves his sister and friends to face it alone. But not before leaving a map for everyone to find him because he wants to be left alone (lol).Because that the best thing to do is let the light die while the dark gets stronger and stronger...I guess? "Just go ahead and corrupt my nephew, kill my best friend, destroy what's left of the rebellion and nearly kill my sister. Because I am very butt hurt."

The only counter argument I've seen is basically "That's the point. Because it's later now and he's different. Because that's what happened in the movie."

That’s why I posted that meme when I saw it. I don’t agree with it. I just laugh at how polarizing the handling of Luke as a character has become.

I think the crux of the divisiveness is that a lot fans are sad that EU Luke and his exploits will not be cherry picked for future films.
 
That’s why I posted that meme when I saw it. I don’t agree with it. I just laugh at how polarizing the handling of Luke as a character has become.

I think the crux of the divisiveness is that a lot fans are sad that EU Luke and his exploits will not be cherry picked for future films.
As long as we don't get a CGI Luke showing up for the next couple of decades
 
he should definitely stick with the directing job and shouldn't even touch the script. However his narcissistic nature would probably prevent it from happening.
Well he could have someone hold the script for him while he was directing.
 
As long as we don't get a CGI Luke showing up for the next couple of decades

My feeling is that these 3 movies are now becoming the equivalent of the golden handshake for the original cast. Luckily Carrie died before they could further drag her down the rabbit hole.
 
One thing TLJ proved was the director Rian Johnson's inability to create a intriguing story line and plot. JJ left him with this giant piles of interesting questions yet Rian couldn't or wouldn't answer those in any fulfilling and clever manner. Either way, he should definitely stick with the directing job and shouldn't even touch the script. However his narcissistic nature would probably prevent it from happening.

I'd agree some of the fault can be layed on him but I'd disagree "JJ" really helped, handing down a load of mysterys without any answers is more a poisoned chalice than anything. ABrams for me just used this as a way of giving the appearance of depth to his film but he'd have help what followed far more to actually had down well developed characters and settings the way the original did to Empire Strikes Back rather than a boring Mary Sue.
 
Didn't you say you haven't even seen it?

Don't be a little bitch. You know you can't critique something you haven't seen. That's troll shit.

Yeah, and I should go watch the Ghostbusters remake, & listen to Justin Bieber's full albums before I judge.

Fuck outta here


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I'd agree some of the fault can be layed on him but I'd disagree "JJ" really helped, handing down a load of mysterys without any answers is more a poisoned chalice than anything. ABrams for me just used this as a way of giving the appearance of depth to his film but he'd have help what followed far more to actually had down well developed characters and settings the way the original did to Empire Strikes Back rather than a boring Mary Sue.

Rey (to Luke about the Nuns/fans): "I don't think they like me."
Luke (to Rey): "I wonder why."
 
My feeling is that these 3 movies are now becoming the equivalent of the golden handshake for the original cast. Luckily Carrie died before they could further drag her down the rabbit hole.
They could do new things. Now that the original cast is out, they're gonna mine the established characters, like the young Solo movie.

Hollywood, Disney, do something new, please. Make it about something other than moments that you can jam R2 and 3PO into, something other than the new Darth whatever, a clear antagonist, with comprehensible plans and motivations.
Enough with light sabers.
 
Yeah, and I should go watch the Ghostbusters remake, & listen to Justin Bieber's full albums before I judge.

Fuck outta here


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I would say its worth giving a try at some stage(maybe cheaper home viewing), if you disliked TFA you will probably find plenty of fault with it but there is some decent more ambitious stuff mixed in with that.
 
Anyone else feel like the battle at the end of TLJ was pretty low scale??

This is supposed to be a war involved entire planets of people fighting each other, but at the end of the movie, it feels like a small battle invovling a few hundred people.

In the end the survivors of the resistance were so small in number that they could all fit on to the Millenium Falcon ... lol
 
Anyone else feel like the battle at the end of TLJ was pretty low scale??

This is supposed to be a war involved entire planets of people fighting each other, but at the end of the movie, it feels like a small battle invovling a few hundred people.

In the end the survivors of the resistance were so small in number that they could all fit on to the Millenium Falcon ... lol

The whole thing felt very small scale to me, like the entire conflict boiled down to about 4 First Order ships chasing one Resistance ship and a few small support vessels. Again though that's also the case with TFA where everything seems to happen in one small star system with Finn seeing the First Order hit the convenient reset button blowing up the entire republic and its fleet in one go.
 
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