STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Supereem]

You know, if it weren't for the fact we see Finn's motivation at the beginning of TFA, he certainly does seem to fuck up enough to warrant suspicion that he just might be a spy. His cover IS the incompetence, dontcha see?! Which makes him a Palpatine!

So far I've seen a lot of complaints that want more of the old stuff. Given the franchise is trying to turn a new leaf, and now that the element of surprise and the disappointment of expectation has been rendered moot -- how soon will it be before you haters give it a second go? Never? Only if on cable?

No one who disliked it is willing to give it a second shot in the theater, are you? Except for Amerikuracana, who didn't exactly hate it the first time.

Forget about Star Wars, this was objectively a bad movie. What part of the pacing, script, structure or even comedy was remotely good?

If this was a stand-alone movie it would have been a Box Office failure.

How a company like Disney fuck up something back to back (both movies) with all that money is mind blowing.

 

[Rob Battisti]

The funny thing about the forgettable evil rich people scenes was that

A. They apparently had 8 year old kids tending to the animals that the richest people in the galaxy paid to see race. You know because 8 year old kids have some value there.

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B. They abused the prized animals.

Horse racing is one of the most expensive sports on the planet because of all the care that gets put into maintaining the horses themselves. MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars.

But, I mean, we could whip them and beat them to get them into peak condition.

It just screamed of someone who never in their life researched something because they inherently thought it was evil and wanted to tell the audience how evil it was.

It was just a bad movie all around.

 

[liljoe]

My idea to save Star Wars:

1. Decide who the best sci-fi director working today is

Denis Villeneuve?
James Cameron?
Christopher Nolan?


2. Pick one and throw money at them to make an old republic movie.
3. ???
4. Profit

Be careful what you wish for. Villeneuve gives zero fucks about what people expect from a movie.

 

[RJ43]

Just realized Johnson directed the fly episode of Breaking Bad. This guy is a troll.

 

[method115]

The funny thing about the forgettable evil rich people scenes was that

A. They apparently had 8 year old kids tending to the animals that the richest people in the galaxy paid to see race. You know because 8 year old kids have some value there.

&

B. They abused the prized animals.

Horse racing is one of the most expensive sports on the planet because of all the care that gets put into maintaining the horses themselves. MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars.

But, I mean, we could whip them and beat them to get them into peak condition.

It just screamed of someone who never in their life researched something because they inherently thought it was evil and wanted to tell the audience how evil it was.

It was just a bad movie all around.

I agree with A but B doesn't apply. This wasn't horse racing. Trying to speculate the proper way to train\raise some horse like alien species is over thinking the plot IMO. Basically we don't know so maybe in there universe that it was the proper way to do things for that species of animal.

 

[D3THRONED]

Star Trek 2009 > force awakens > into darkness > mission impossible 3 > Looper > last Jedi

Abrams is clearly a better director than Johnson

Come at me bros

What's with everyone's hard on for looper anyway? Did not enjoy it that much. Very interesting concept, made kinda boring and cheesy.

Agreed completely, Johnson is over-rated as fuckkk and this movie is a perfect example. Dude threw out everything that made seeing episode 8 interesting it makes no sense. However, I think the film will make more sense after episode 9. I think JJ is going to bring back certain characters and undo some of the bs left behind.

 

[D3THRONED]

The funny thing about the forgettable evil rich people scenes was that

A. They apparently had 8 year old kids tending to the animals that the richest people in the galaxy paid to see race. You know because 8 year old kids have some value there.

&

B. They abused the prized animals.

Horse racing is one of the most expensive sports on the planet because of all the care that gets put into maintaining the horses themselves. MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars.

But, I mean, we could whip them and beat them to get them into peak condition.

It just screamed of someone who never in their life researched something because they inherently thought it was evil and wanted to tell the audience how evil it was.

It was just a bad movie all around.

Im glad you see the light and arent drinking that disney kool-aid. Theres no way around it, its bad. I'd be interested in a Nolan SW film. https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcai...audience-score-is-100-authentic/#2ca6a8d94231 -- people have been trying to discredit the negative reviews. IF you actually read the reviews most the negative ones leave a detailed reason why. While theres reviews saying, " BEST STAR WARS EVER 10/10". I think the latter is less reliable. "The simpler, and far more credible explanation is simply that a lot of people don’t like the movie"

 

[Spoken]

Lol @ people geting angry that women feel empowered by the film because it gives prominence roles to ladies.
Leila as a feminist pop culture icon. It’s Star Wars being Star was. It was understated and done organically. It’s not Judith Butler or queer theory. It’s just folks being equally all in against the rebellion.

 

[WAR_CLAY_GUIDA!!]

Saw it opening day. Movie was the most underwhelming experience I've ever had. @Spoken, none of the new woman characters in this film are good or well written. They just put them in there for the sake of having more diversity. I didn't care if they wanted to hand off the saga to the younger generation. But the character assassination of Luke Skywalker was final straw for me. The film has its cool parts. But in between those parts, it's filled with mediocre plot and missed opportunities. As a pretty big star wars fan, I can say this movie killed any motivation for me to see new ones from here on out. You can't tell the story of star wars without using the past characters. If that's what they wanted to do, then why fucking bother putting them in the movie in the first place. Why not make this take place a hundred years after the return of the jedi? Johnson is failed with this movie it's that simple.

 

[JAEGERX]

has anyone else watched the RLM half in the bag video about The Last Jedi?, they said something that was maybe the most important problem this saga has now, the fact of how limited it is, its like 40 years of a big bad empire with siths and a super weapons against rebels with jedis, that is it, its limited and goes nowhere, it just cycles and repeats itself

 

[EvilDDS]

I agree with A but B doesn't apply. This wasn't horse racing. Trying to speculate the proper way to train\raise some horse like alien species is over thinking the plot IMO. Basically we don't know so maybe in there universe that it was the proper way to do things for that species of animal.

Also, with part A, which really isn't shown in the movie but rather through the book is that Canto Bight is extremely corrupt. We saw the rich people. But there is a seedy underworld there too. And there are several people that had gambling debts, and couldn't pay them off. So they gave up their children to slavery essentially, and taking care of the Fathiers was an easy way to gain free labour.

The child at the end is force sensitive as we see, and his parents gave him up to cover their debts. I think Rian is trying to stray away from the Skywalker line with showing that anyone can be force-sensitive. And then it's shown also, with Kylo's reveal that Rey's parents were nobodies, who gave her up for drinking money.

They're going to explore new story lines in the new trilogy, so I think that was their way of saying not everyone has to have a well known parent.

But then maybe I'm way off too, guess we'll see

I would like to know why DJ was in jail too. I'm assuming he got caught cheating at a game in the casino. Does anyone remember if it was mentioned why he was in jail?

 

[Spoken]

Saw it opening day. Movie was the most underwhelming experience I've ever had. @Spoken, none of the new woman characters in this film are good or well written. They just put them in there for the sake of having more diversity. I didn't care if they wanted to hand off the saga to the younger generation. But the character assassination of Luke Skywalker was final straw for me. The film has its cool parts. But in between those parts, it's filled with mediocre plot and missed opportunities. As a pretty big star wars fan, I can say this movie killed any motivation for me to see new ones from here on out. You can't tell the story of star wars without using the past characters. If that's what they wanted to do, then why fucking bother putting them in the movie in the first place. Why not make this take place a hundred years after the return of the jedi? Johnson is failed with this movie it's that simple.

I’m not sure any of the characters were well written, though I’m content with their depth considering the kind of film. Which is to say: gender has nothing to do with. Also, Luke has always been a conflicted character. I felt his arch was appropriate, and a great way to hand Star Wars over to new character. Finn and Rose’s sub plot was an unhelpful mechanism in the film, there is no denying that. But it is a vehicle for character growth and the overarching narrative.
I’m also a big Star Wars fan. Always have been. I’m happy with the movie. But it’s going to strike people differently. Just how it is

 

[sickc0d3r]

Whether or not you liked the movie, did Hamill and Driver give the two best individual performances of any actor in any of the Star Wars movies? I'm struggling to come up with anyone who came close. Maybe Palpatine?

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Does anyone remember if it was mentioned why he was in jail?

I remember being curious & not getting the answer. so I don't think so.

 

[method115]

Also, with part A, which really isn't shown in the movie but rather through the book is that Canto Bight is extremely corrupt. We saw the rich people. But there is a seedy underworld there too. And there are several people that had gambling debts, and couldn't pay them off. So they gave up their children to slavery essentially, and taking care of the Fathiers was an easy way to gain free labour.

The child at the end is force sensitive as we see, and his parents gave him up to cover their debts. I think Rian is trying to stray away from the Skywalker line with showing that anyone can be force-sensitive. And then it's shown also, with Kylo's reveal that Rey's parents were nobodies, who gave her up for drinking money.

They're going to explore new story lines in the new trilogy, so I think that was their way of saying not everyone has to have a well known parent.

But then maybe I'm way off too, guess we'll see

I would like to know why DJ was in jail too. I'm assuming he got caught cheating at a game in the casino. Does anyone remember if it was mentioned why he was in jail?

Yea some people were mad that her parents ended up being nobody but I actually liked it that idea. Going a different direction other than "this is lukes daughter from some random he banged".

 

[EvilDDS]

I've seen Hamill on twitter, shooting down the haters. Saying people are taking certain things out of context, saying he didn't say certain things so to stop using quotes when referring to him. Not sure how old some of these vids are and if he's changed his tune, or if he's being a good Disney/Star Wars rep to promote the movie. But here's a tweet from dec 17

 

[method115]

Couldn't agree more with Hamill. How can anyone like this garbage or even prefer it to the prequels, I cant' understand. You would have to be an idiot.

I do agree with Hammill on this. Luke would never go in that house to kill his nephew period. That was so unbelievable to me.

 

[D3THRONED]

I've seen Hamill on twitter, shooting down the haters. Saying people are taking certain things out of context, saying he didn't say certain things so to stop using quotes when referring to him. Not sure how old some of these vids are and if he's changed his tune, or if he's being a good Disney/Star Wars rep to promote the movie. But here's a tweet from dec 17

damage control

 

[Da Speeit]

The entire series are kids' films. Lucas tried to beef them up in 1-3, but it lost the mojo. These are kids' films, enjoy them for what they are.

Zootopia was a kids film.
It actually had a plot and interesting characters. You idiots who defend these movies by being edge-lords and saying "omg its a kids movie lighten up" can kindly shut the fuck up. Yes, a PG-13 "kids movie" where demon demi gods are sliced in half with lazer swords and entire populii are slaughtered.

Get out of here with that garbage

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Couldn't agree more with Hamill. How can anyone like this garbage or even prefer it to the prequels, I cant' understand. You would have to be an idiot.

I can look past that stuff to accept the movie. There were a lot of home runs imo... so I'm not going to take one part I thought should've been different & crap on the whole movie.

Luke giving up on Kylo is the biggest thing I don't like about the movie... but he actually just had that one moment of weakness where he got terrified, but then he changed his mind... so he didn't actually give up on him... Kylo just woke up at the wrong time. Then him going hermit & shutting off from the force I don't care for, but Yoda layed some deep psychology on us that I liked & it required using that story line to be that deep.

Outside of that, I don't have any major problems with the movie. Little gripes here & there, but nothing major. I liked it overall. Still don't know what I'd rate it... but that's where I stand atm.