STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Tiny]

Doesn't understand the point of character arcs
Different doesn't mean good
Porgs are the most blatant merchadizing example of these movies
Ray is a Mary Sue
No explination to why Luke has faults or how he fell from being a hero...time. That's the explination. Fucking LOL?
A middle act that served no purpose.
The worm bit in empire was used to give a moment of pause for character relationship development that would payoff later in the movie between Han and Leia, but this idiot doesn't know that.
Movie didn't followed up on any of the interesting set ups from the FO, and left few questions or set ups for the next movie
This movie broke basic science principles regarding space.
But hey. It did its job giving the audience none of what it wanted to see! So congrats!

 

[Bob Gray]

These replies get so tiresome, as if people dont understand what theyre criticizing. "Oh, you dont get it". It's like trying to explain a joke that someone doesnt find funny.

"See, the chicken has to get to the other side."

"Yeah, but it isnt funny."

"See, a joke has a set up. And then a punchline, in order to instill a humerous reaction from the listener? Get it, Moron?"

"Yeah, but I don't find it funny"

"Well, Im done explaining how a joke works to you if you refuse to understand it".

 

[Bob Gray]

God. It's another idiot trying to pretend she isn't a Mary Sue.

You do know the only situation she didn't get herself out of was against snoke, right? Outside of that scene, she's gotten herself out of all danger. She can do all things, speak all languages and knows the force more than anyone else.

She's a Mary Sue. It's just what she is.

At this point, she definitely is. But TLJ made her a a Mary Sue, not Force Awakens. FA does a good job of her showing her as powerful, but she still needed wasnt able to do everything on her own. Finn helps her piloting against the Tie fighters (tells her how to avoid their tracking by staying low), Finn is there to take up Rens time after Ren knocked her out. The blaster wound, etc. Then theres the all the hints that this is not her first time using the force.

The Rian Johnson undid all that shit, and now she can pick up a light saber and kill elite trained Praetorian guards. And do basically all the force powers. Literally like 72 hours after she discovers she's force sensitive.

 

[Tiny]

I don't know if you're content just hating on the movie or if you actually want answers to what you posted. however, there are explanations to these things.


I can't really say it any better than Rey's Canon page on wookiepedia
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rey

Rey also had a computer display from an old BTL-A4 Y-wing assault starfighter/bomber that she used to learn alien languages, study the schematics of Republic and Imperial starships, and run flight simulations in order to hone her skills as a pilot. Her ability to understand alien languages, including the binary language of droids, helped her when off-worlders came to Niima Outpost. Two such off-worlders were Wookiees, who regaled her with the stories of the famed Wookiee smuggler-turned-Rebel fighter Chewbacca. She learned of Chewbacca's exploits, as well as those of his friend and fellow smuggler Han Solo. Studying schematics to learn how ships worked was also an important part of her survival on Jakku. She recognized almost all of the Republic and Imperial vessels that could be found in the Graveyard, including what roles they played in combat, the types of weapons they were armed with, their models and classes, and how many crew members each one had. She learned this not just through studying schematics on her computer, but also by climbing through and exploring the ships and tinkering with their systems. This let her know what each part was, what it could do, whether it worked, and, most importantly, whether it would carry any value in Niima Outpost


Kylo pretty much taught her how to enter people's minds when he was probing her & she realized that she could also recognize his thoughts. It actually took her a few tries to get it right, but its the same technique learned while in Kylo's mind. She just enhanced it from reading to inserting thoughts... similar to the Jedi stories she had heard. I don't find it hard to believe at all.


Rey was well known on Jakku for her staff fighting ability, & no one f*cked with her accept for visitors who hadn't heard of her abilities. She was elite... & its not like Luke was really invested in the fight... & he hasn't been fighting for years so he also had ring rust.

I personally don't find it that hard to believe that her abilities as an elite staff fighter can transfer to the sword.

Kylo was the apprentice of what we are assuming is a Sith (not a sith himself)... but to your point, Kylo was trained in Light Saber battles by Luke from an early age & likely further by Snoke.

As mentioned in my previous post... Kylo was trying to recruit her, not kill her. She got a few good licks in but it's not like he was trying to kill her.

That's great!

Seems her arc happened off screen before the start of any of these movies! Maybe we should tell another persons story who actually grows ON screen, who has struggles and flaws and overcomes them in slightly more time than 5 minutes?!

What a blind nut hugger you are that you actually think anything that you just typed was an adequate counter arguement

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Finally saw it last night. A little underwhelming but still a decent flick I suppose, definitely the weakest SW movie so far though. Would’ve liked to see more bad assery from Luke other than just the phantom limbo dodge spinaroo against Kylo in their saber fight. Like force lift all those walkers up into the air or some epic shit like that before randomly going all Donny’s ashes from Big Lebowski.

Rated it as Good, wouldn’t go any higher than that.

 

[Goonerview]

Speaks wookie
Speaks droid
Knows the falcon better than Han having never been on the fucking thing before
Doesn't know the force is real, twenty minutes later she uses it to mind control a storm trooper before over powering this trilogy's big bad guy mentally.
Never had Jedi training, bests a sith in a light sabre battle.
Goes to train the Luke, bests him in a stick fight...

If she isn't a Mary Sue nobody is.

It's ridiculous how over-powered she is. It's reminiscent of the modern feminist movement. A lot of feminist women (not all), want stuff without working hard for it.

Rey is gifted as the best Jedi that ever lived without ever training for it. It's blatant gyno-worship all over.

JJ Abrams put the pussy on a pedestal and then some. Ugh.

 

[Goonerview]

I don't know if you're content just hating on the movie or if you actually want answers to what you posted. however, there are explanations to these things.

It's not that she knew the Falcon better... but she just understood how a vast variety of ships work in general. That was her trade... & her survival depended on it. Plus, that's all she had to do for all those years.

I can't really say it any better than Rey's Canon page on wookiepedia
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rey

Rey also had a computer display from an old BTL-A4 Y-wing assault starfighter/bomber that she used to learn alien languages, study the schematics of Republic and Imperial starships, and run flight simulations in order to hone her skills as a pilot. Her ability to understand alien languages, including the binary language of droids, helped her when off-worlders came to Niima Outpost. Two such off-worlders were Wookiees, who regaled her with the stories of the famed Wookiee smuggler-turned-Rebel fighter Chewbacca. She learned of Chewbacca's exploits, as well as those of his friend and fellow smuggler Han Solo. Studying schematics to learn how ships worked was also an important part of her survival on Jakku. She recognized almost all of the Republic and Imperial vessels that could be found in the Graveyard, including what roles they played in combat, the types of weapons they were armed with, their models and classes, and how many crew members each one had. She learned this not just through studying schematics on her computer, but also by climbing through and exploring the ships and tinkering with their systems. This let her know what each part was, what it could do, whether it worked, and, most importantly, whether it would carry any value in Niima Outpost


Kylo pretty much taught her how to enter people's minds when he was probing her & she realized that she could also recognize his thoughts. It actually took her a few tries to get it right, but its the same technique learned while in Kylo's mind. She just enhanced it from reading to inserting thoughts... similar to the Jedi stories she had heard. I don't find it hard to believe at all.


Rey was well known on Jakku for her staff fighting ability, & no one f*cked with her accept for visitors who hadn't heard of her abilities. She was elite... & its not like Luke was really invested in the fight... & he hasn't been fighting for years so he also had ring rust.

I personally don't find it that hard to believe that her abilities as an elite staff fighter can transfer to the sword.

Kylo was the apprentice of what we are assuming is a Sith (not a sith himself)... but to your point, Kylo was trained in Light Saber battles by Luke from an early age & likely further by Snoke.

As mentioned in my previous post... Kylo was trying to recruit her, not kill her. She got a few good licks in but it's not like he was trying to kill her.

Dude, you are trying waaaaay too hard to justify this character.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

That's great!

Seems her arc happened off screen before the start of any of these movies! Maybe we should tell another persons story who actually grows ON screen, who has struggles and flaws and overcomes them in slightly more time than 5 minutes?!

What a blind nut hugger you are that you actually think anything that you just typed was an adequate counter arguement

Again man, you don't have to be so rude. We're just talking about a movie here. I presented a lot of canon information that 100% explains many things you questioned & makes decent arguments for some of the other things.

I do agree that stuff could've been explored on screen better... but Canon includes many resources, & you just aren't privy to that information. Doesn't make me a nuthugger for knowing that stuff... it just makes me an aware fan.

Your blind complaints about how she knew droid & wookie language are obviously answered & valid... as well as how she knew how to fix the Falcon, & how she was able to pilot the Falcon after taking a bit to get used to the difference between its actual controls compared to the flight simulators controls she had practiced with for many years.

Her ability as a staff fighter were very well known on Jakku & nobody f*cked with her. That mixed in with the fact that Kylo was trying to recruit her (not kill her) could very well explain how the light saber battle between them in TFA went down. I understand that it can be argued... but it isn't as unbelievable as you are making it out to be.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Dude, you are trying waaaaay too hard to justify this character.

Most of what I said is just Canon that happens off screen. Dude complained about how she understood Wookie & Droid language, as well as how she knew how to fix the Falcon & pilot it. I answered those questions indisputably.

Some of the other things, could be argued... but it's far from unrealistic.

Her staff fighting abilities were very well known on Jakku. I don't find it that hard to believe that she can transfer it to the sword... & Kylo wasn't trying to beat her anyway. He was trying to recruit her. On top of that, he was hurt & f*cked in the head by killing his dad.

I think it's more like you are trying way to hard to disprove & invalidate things than me trying to hard to justify the character. Take a moment to think about her survival depending on her ability's... & that's all she did for many many years. Its all there in the canon.

 

[Goonerview]

Most of what I said is just Canon that happens off screen. Dude complained about how she understood Wookie & Droid language, as well as how she knew how to fix the Falcon & pilot it. I answered those questions indisputably.

Some of the other things, could be argued... but it's far from unrealistic.

Her staff fighting abilities were very well known on Jakku. I don't find it that hard to believe that she can transfer it to the sword... & Kylo wasn't trying to beat her anyway. He was trying to recruit her. On top of that, he was hurt & f*cked in the head by killing his dad.

I think it's more like you are trying way to hard to disprove & invalidate things than me trying to hard to justify the character. Take a moment to think about her survival depending on her ability's... & that's all she did for many many years. Its all there in the canon.

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter if there is a "rational" explanation for it all. At the end of the day, she is too perfect, too flawless. She has no room for growth, so no one can relate to her. This makes for a shit character.

 

[Bob Gray]

Speaks wookie
Speaks droid
Knows the falcon better than Han having never been on the fucking thing before
Doesn't know the force is real, twenty minutes later she uses it to mind control a storm trooper before over powering this trilogy's big bad guy mentally.
Never had Jedi training, bests a sith in a light sabre battle.
Goes to train the Luke, bests him in a stick fight...

If she isn't a Mary Sue nobody is.

Honestly, though. Is speaking other languages in Star Wars, especially "droid", really that uncommon?

 

[Deleted member 391673]

But if they did that we wouldn't have the......

Spoiler

..... Mary "#$%^ing" Poppins space force scene with an elderly Leia floating in space. And floating like a damn witch back to the ship to safety. While they expose the entire hallway compartment to the vacuum of space to bring her in. Even the damn graphic showed air rushing IN instead of sucking them all out. WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

These aren't JUST plot holes. They're pathetic mistakes you should only see in low budget B movies with fringe directors.

and they killed ackbar!

 

[Bloody Pulp]

I don’t have any issues with Rey being a bad ass. Just wish we could’ve seen more of Snoke and Luke’s power. Hell, even seeing more of Kylo being a bad ass would’ve been nice. Outside of a couple tilts with sabers, Luke FaceTiming with Kylo and Snoke hovering Rey around we didn’t get much in the way of force power demonstrations from any of the main characters.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

and they killed ackbar!

It’s a plot hole!

 

[Deleted member 391673]

I have my gripes about the movie as well but this notion that you send a ship light speed through the Death Star destroying the entire thing is completely silly.

It's the size of a moon for Petes sake and this movie showed that the cruiser didn't destroy the entire fleet. That never happened. Even Snokes ship, which is a grain of salt next to the Death Star, was only missing one of its "wings" after the attack. Leaving about 70% of the ship still intact. Sending a ship this size thru the Death Star wouldn't mean much of anything.

Heck the first order even mustered up a rather large force for a ground assault against the rebels.

It's also extremely costly to build giant cruisers to only have them go kamiakze thru fleets of enemy ships. The rebels aren't funded to be throwing away giant space cruisers. It's completely illogical.

Like I said, I have my gripes but this isn't one of them

hmmm. fair enough.

i'd like to see a size comparison between death star and dreadnaught.

perhaps my recollection is off but i thought not only did the dreadnaught get fucked up but a bunch of ships behind it as well? i'll have to see that scene again.

and still, i think having a medium sized ship or a small size ship dart at lightspeed throughout an entire structure like the death star can cause massive damage.


and in regards to the cost factor... i think it's costly to let all your ships run out of fuel and get blown up when all the rebel fleet had to do was disperse lightspeed into many directions.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter if there is a "rational" explanation for it all. At the end of the day, she is too perfect, too flawless. She has no room for growth, so no one can relate to her. This makes for a shit character.

I disagree & like the character very much. I can't wrap my head around the idea that she's "too perfect." She's shown to have many shortcomings. Denial about her parents being the main one.
She's a jacked warrior scavenger. Deal with it.



Where they take her in the final film will decide all that in the end... but as it stands, I'm very fond of her.

 

[TrueBias]

Ya wanna know whats funny? I havent talked to a lot of people in person about the last jedi, but all of them liked it. Much like here, i ask why, here nothing. They ask why, and i cant shut up. I never heard a good argument. Doesnt feel good to make sense about a disapproval but being robbed of the pleasure if enjoying a film.

 

[Deleted member 391673]

others have mentioned this but a big gripe was also with the side quest that Fin and Appeal-to-asian-market Chick go on.

Mr. Mutiny and the two figure out that the bad guys are tracking them through one ship but rather than tell anyone they go on a dumb side quest in which they only succeed in failing. The only outcome of the sidequest is Benecio sells them out and because they trusted some criminal a bunch of rebels in escape pods get fuckkkked up. Or, you know, they could have just told the hippy captain about it (did they? i don't remember) and then the rebel fleet could have disperesed in multiple directions so rather than having every single ship get taken out one by one slowly, they'd only theoretically lose one ship.

The purple haired hippy captain has a plan which is run out of gas to get blown up BUT everyone will escape in the pods - but doesn't tell anyone that. So wait, the New Order jabronis suddenly don't have the technology of scanning for jettisoned escape pods and life signs? I guess that tech is too farfetched...oh wait, except for in New Hope when they did exactly that.

Then they try to recreate the battle of hoth but they gotta spice it up so they make the ground salt so the scene conveys more FURY and VIOLENCE .... cuz the ground is red! I get it. Genius..... not.

Then the rebels get into that bunker but don't immediately look for a second exit and/or have the information already? No wonder they're all getting slaughtered.

Then they go on a pointless assault on some stupid ass one-ski-ships where everyone gets murked except for the main characters before ordering a retreat. HAHA WTF. such dumb writing. Then Fin actually is gonna take one for the team only to have the Asian chick t-bone him at 200mph and both survive....and then somehow although they are like 5 miles away they scurry their way back into the main holdout? just generally bad setups all around.

 

[minute bull]

Everyone's making a really good point. Just terrific.

 

[Deleted member 391673]

.....and the other thing that bothered me a lot was the scene where Jedi Strong Woman slashes the rock with a lighsaber which then proceeds to fall and crush the wagon of the two alien keepers pushing it below. It was actually a funny scene for me, but what if the aliens got crushed? She almost kills two innocent keepers of the island because of her stupid actions but we'll just overlook the fact that she's a dick who doesn't pay attention to her surroundings.

and back to Lando Carl...errr, the Benecio Del Torro character... i thought it was stupid how he takes the Asian Chicks amulet as payment but then gives it back to her (so we the audience see he has a good side) only to then sell them out.... so no, he's not a good guy so why the fuck was he being a good guy with the amulet? Just the character writing and development seemed very poor.