STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Didn’t say who the Emperor was and why he was the leader until two decades later in the prequels

There’s no need to explain Snoke’s backstory. Just like there was never a need for Bobba Fetts.

Snoke was a cult like leader and dark side user who brought Kylo into his orbit and died for it.

There is no need for anything more...

The difference is that this trilogy is a direct sequel to the OT.

“Who the hell is this Snoke guy and where did he come from?” isn’t some irrelevant question in the context of the direct follow ups to Return of the Jedi.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

He didn't say that.

Fine, you want to get technical?

“Not that good” were his exact words.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Honestly I think the special editions were originally just a bit of an afterthought, Lucas testing out CGI before the prequels. Then when it got a negative reaction he dug his heels in and made it a point of pride that this stuff was his "vision".

It's criminal to me that he's made it so that the original films can't be obtained. All one can get now are special editions.
It was a real *smh* moment when he added Luke screaming as he made his sacrifice by dropping into the chasm.
He didn't understand Luke's motivation in the scene and that its dramatic tension was grounded on the fact that it was a conscious choice.
The scream was out of place and jarring, and the emotional tone is muddled as a result.

The addition that detracts.

 

[Guestx]

Fine, you want to get technical?

“Not that good” were his exact words.

I will agree that his rating of 6.5 doesn't seem to quite match-up with some of the comments he makes in the review.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Didn’t say who the Emperor was and why he was the leader until two decades later in the prequels

There’s no need to explain Snoke’s backstory. Just like there was never a need for Bobba Fetts.

Snoke was a cult like leader and dark side user who brought Kylo into his orbit and died for it.

There is no need for anything more...

Well I'm a pretty casual Star Wars fan. I always just assumed the Emperor started the Empire. Snoke is apparently leading the empire and all we know is he has a fucked up face.

 

[Bob Gray]

Didn’t say who the Emperor was and why he was the leader until two decades later in the prequels

There’s no need to explain Snoke’s backstory. Just like there was never a need for Bobba Fetts.

Snoke was a cult like leader and dark side user who brought Kylo into his orbit and died for it.

There is no need for anything more...

Palpatine existence doesn't create questions, though. There's a big empire, it needs and emperor. In the OT the empire came with the package, so you don't need to fill in the back story any more than you need to show Hans Grubers history in die hard. BUT in Die Hard 3 you DO kinda need to show the dude is Hans Grubers brother otherwise him being in the movie and doing what he does wouldn't make much sense.

But Snoke creates a bunch "Well then how/why" questions. Chief among them how there was apparently another dark force user during the original trilogy, who knows or has learned about Vader, Luke, etc. His existence just creates nagging questions.

That said, this is arguably the least important criticism of TLJ imo. Obviously his backstory will be filled in at some point, even if only in the EU.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

The difference is that this trilogy is a direct sequel to the OT.

“Who the hell is this Snoke guy and where did he come from?” isn’t some irrelevant question in the context of the direct follow ups to Return of the Jedi.

The way the Empire is presented as well to me seems to make the Emperors rise much easier to understand, a former democracy that's been subverted from within and shifted towards military dictatorship. Part of the problem with Lucas focusing so much on politics in the prequels for me is that he was answering a question most people didn't really care about much as it was easy to imagine, how Anakin became Vader on the other hand was much more interesting but ended up beign sidelined.

I would say actually my big issue with not much Snoke was that it also ment not much Kylo for half the film when he was by far the best character. Beyond that though it did just make the whole situation seem simplistic and small to have him drop in from nowhere.

 

[MiniCraque]

Palpatine existence doesn't create questions, though. There's a big empire, it needs and emperor. In the OT the empire came with the package, so you don't need to fill in the back story any more than you need to show Hans Grubers history in die hard. BUT in Die Hard 3 you DO kinda need to show the dude is Hans Grubers brother otherwise him being in the movie and doing what he does wouldn't make much sense.

But Snoke creates a bunch "Well then how/why" questions. Chief among them how there was apparently another dark force user during the original trilogy, who knows or has learned about Vader, Luke, etc. His existence just creates nagging questions.

That said, this is arguably the least important criticism of TLJ imo. Obviously his backstory will be filled in at some point, even if only in the EU.

Has it been confirmed that there will be a new EU? It doesn't seem to match Disney's MO.

 

[Guestx]

Has it been confirmed that there will be a new EU? It doesn't seem to match Disney's MO.

There already is. There are several books new books already that Disney has said are part of the new canon.

 

[minute bull]

All the last jedi accomplished was to finally have me now disinterested in whatever happens next. It litterally is now on par with DC movies.

If that was the goal...then congrats. I finally don't give a shit about Star Wars.

That's a clever rejoinder, Tiny! Well said!

But we know you'll watch the next one, and the one after that. Just like Petey lies.

 

[minute bull]

This one I like because it manages to disrespect the film but respect those who may not have seen it yet. A thoughtful diss.

 

[Striderxdj]

Ouch that bad for you ? if it's that extreme then most likely another view won't be a big enough factor to change your stance.

Changing my stance would require reasonable answers to inumerable questions/plot holes/inconsistencies, and/or making drastic changes to several story arcs, and removing several pointless arcs (and characters) entirely.

I also find it somewhat humorous that people who criticized TFA for ripping off much of NH praise TLJ and Rian Johnson for taking a risk with an "original" story... he copied multiple scenes almost completely and any original/risky stuff was either complete garbage, pandering filler, or a blatant "f**k you" to fans who werent blinded by nostalgia to the utter nonsense.

 

[minute bull]

Changing my stance would require reasonable answers to inumerable questions/plot holes/inconsistencies, and/or making drastic changes to several story arcs, and removing several pointless arcs (and characters) entirely.

I also find it somewhat humorous that people who criticized TFA for ripping off much of NH praise TLJ and Rian Johnson for taking a risk with an "original" story... he copied multiple scenes almost completely and any original/risky stuff was either complete garbage, pandering filler, or a blatant "f**k you" to fans who werent blinded by nostalgia to the utter nonsense.

There are no plot holes in TFJ, and it does answer questions set up by TFA. While both deal in classic iconography, TFA fails to incorporate it into the story and uses it as either dressing or cheap reveals. It's about getting familiar with the new family. TLJ manages to not only make surprising moments using this TFA set-ups while integrating into the story and marrying it back to the core THEMES, not just images, with the new family. It moves forward plot.

 

[Peteyandjia]

I really, really enjoyed the Ghostbusters remake.

An while Justin Bieber isn't my cup of tea, he's mad talented. You should hear his cover of Fast Car.

Seriously, motherfucker, hear it

Spoiler

You'll probably hate this but I think it's pretty great. And I literally cannot name a single one of his own songs.

 

[Bob Gray]

Has it been confirmed that there will be a new EU? It doesn't seem to match Disney's MO.

Well, there already is as in stuff leading up to this trilogy. Whether or not they continue the main characters (Finn, Poe, etc) after this trilogy ends hasn't been confirmed, but it seems like they'd be stupid not to.

 

[Peteyandjia]

you should watch the Ghostbusters remake

 

[sickc0d3r]

I’m glad someone else mentions what I was thinking: that defenders of this movie keep criticizing the old movies in order to defend it.

Well, it’s not making me like this movie anymore, it’s making me like the entire franchise just a little bit less.

TBF, people calling it the worst film of the franchise are inviting the criticism. Not to mention those saying anyone who likes the film must be bad at watching movies or something. Calling out the issues with episodes we all love despite obvious problems is defensible in light of those things.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Oh really? Okay then, just a few comments from critics on TLJ:













All right Petey, have fun at the theater!

 

[BisexualMMA]

 

[Deleted member 110072]

There are no plot holes in TFJ, and it does answer questions set up by TFA. While both deal in classic iconography, TFA fails to incorporate it into the story and uses it as either dressing or cheap reveals. It's about getting familiar with the new family. TLJ manages to not only make surprising moments using this TFA set-ups while integrating into the story and marrying it back to the core THEMES, not just images, with the new family. It moves forward plot.

I would agree that parts of TLJ do feel like they have the weight to measure up to the original films but that these elements don't get enough focus or commited to fully and ultimately it doesn't actually move the plot forward much, at least in terms of the positions of its lead characters.