Star Wars Megathread

[GearSolidMetal]

Easily the most punchable face in Hollywood.

I raise you a Max Landis.

You're both wrong.

 

[Loiosh]

YouTube reminded me today about one of the reasons I liked Rogue One so much.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Do you believe everything you're told, just because you're told it by someone you like?

I get it, that's natural to automatically trust people you like and distrust people you don't. I really do get it.

But have you ever been told something by someone you like and you think 'oh that's bullshit?'

Because that's a healthy response to have occassionally, especially when that person you like is doing PR for a publicly-traded multi-billion dollar entertainment corporation. They're going to give answers to questions that's to the advantage of themselves, the corporation, and the shareholders, regardless of the truth. Period.

Would she give an honest answer to what a shitshow Solo's development was, and she was ultimately responsible for being the first Star Wars film to flop? Absolutely not.

Who is this person that I like? I never said I "like" KK. I'm neutral. I have enjoyed the content that's come out under her watch, but I understand that as a high ranking public face of Lucas Film that she may speak more politically than honestly at times.

Just because I don't feel that she's dissing the EU in any way... doesn't mean I'm defending her or anything of the sort. When this news first came out & I heard the haterz saying that she doesn't understand that there's an EU or that she's dissing the EU or whatever your lot is on about. I went with an open mind to the article... & read it myself. I felt it was very obvious she was speaking about the challenges of writing an original story and contrasting that against the process of writing a movie based on previous & proven stories. This is so obvious to me that I'm baffled you don't see it.

You seem to be throwing everything & the kitchen sink at this. Let me ask you some rhetorical questionz:

• What does whether or not I like KK have to do with me understanding her words a certain way?
• What does whether or not I believe everything she says, have to do with my interpretation of her words?
• What do the decisionz she'z made with Lucas films, have to do with my interpretation of her words?
• What does Nike's saying for their "Air Force One" shoe... (The force is female) & KK having some shirts made with Nike's saying on them to honor the women in her staff... have to do with my interpretation of her words?
  
• What does the amount of directors that have been fired under her rool have to do with my interpretation of her words.

The answer to all of these is "nothing."

Yet for some reason you've brought up all these things (& those are just the ones I recall off the top of my head) to try & prove that she's somehow dissing the EU by saying they didn't have source material while writing the sequels. She's in no way saying that. I'm baffled by your insistence that dissing the EU was either said or implied. We know it wasn't said... so your argument is that it was implied.

She's making a contrast between writing an original story vs a previously written story. That's very obvious to me.

If you're not aware, Kathleen Kennedy has had more problems with directors than any President in studio production in recent memory.
Colin Trevarrow quit Ep9.
Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired from Solo.
And David and Dan quit in preproduction of their own trilogy.

Yes, the pair responsible for making Game of Thrones the most popular TV show in the history of HBO can't handle writing a script for a Star Wars movie. Suuuurrreeeee.... that's believable because Kathleen Kennedy said it.

No list of all the great & successful things kk's dun? (lol... cheap shot there right back atcha) If she's responsible for the bad, she's also responsible for the good yeah?

I never said that I believe her. You said that there was no evidence at all that the GOTs guys can't write an original script without an already previously proven storyline to play off of. (there is a difference you're not acknowledging btw) I'm simply pointing out that her words are a piece of evidence. Whether you believe it or not, is irrelevant to the fact that it is actually a piece of evidence that's on the table for discussion. You said there was no evidence.

This is another sidetrack from the discussion we're having though.

Would she give an honest answer to what a shitshow Solo's development was, and she was ultimately responsible for being the first Star Wars film to flop? Absolutely not.

I enjoyed Solo very much & saw it 3 times in the theaters & a couple times at home when it got released on DVD. Again though, this is a distraction from what we're talking about.

I have no agenda either and being as honest as I ever have been. Period.

'Original stories?' In what way was Ep7 original? It was a soft reboot of Ep4.

In Ep8 a third of the movie was cut&pasted from other Star Wars movies, poorly.

In Ep9 it was mcguffin after mcguffin after mcguffin...

Yeah, so original, Kathleen Kennedy. But some still believe her 'original' stories are her highest priority.

I disagree with the things you said about the Sequels here, but again:

• What does that have to do with my interpretation of what she said?

Nothing.
This & the things I pointed out above are you just venting out your distaste of the sequels as well as KK... but none of this stuff has to do with our interpretation of her words.

She clearly said that they were writing new material & contrasted that to someone writing against a story that was already written. Whether or not you feel that they borrowed too much of the story line or not is irrelevant to the discussion regarding the meaning of what she said in that article.

We're not talking about whether or not we believe it.. we're not talking about whether the sequels did actually borrow too much from previous material to be considered original. Our current conversation is whether or not she was dissing the EU by saying that there were no stories for them to write off of. I think it's very obvious that pov is taken out of context.

But the EU doesn't exist anymore. Its been decanonized, and that's one of the first things LucasFilm announced after it was bought by Disney.

Really? I hadn't heard of that.
The EU does exist though. I have physical books that prove it. I can hold it in my hand & so I can say with 100% certainty that it does exist.

& don't look now, but they've always been decannonized. Lucas had "levels of canon"... & only his movies were at the top tier & any of that stuff in the EU could be over-written at any time. All Disney did was start making more canon at the highest level & simply drew the line thicker between what is & isn't canon. But all that stuff never was the highest level of canon & so it never existed as 100% guaranteed real world. ("In universe" real world of coarse)

It's such a wonderful thing now actually... to read a novel or comic, play a canon game or watch a cartoon or side show & know 100% that they aren't going to just write them out of existence.

Everything labelled as canon is of the highest level & will not be contradicted. Not on purpose anyway. I understand a few mistakes here & there, but it's nothing like just nixing a whole character or something. (Rip Mara Jade Skywalker )

Again, you're sidetracking the discussion. (see the underlined part just above) Whether or not you're salty about them decannonizing all those stories that contradicted themselves endlessly making it impossible to have any real continuity... has nothing to do with our discussion.

Tell that to everyone that saw Ep8, then didn't bother to go see Solo or Ep9, which forced to curve the Star Wars production and release schedules. From '1 Star Wars movie a year' to blaming 'Star Wars fatigue.'

Member when Rian Johnson was supposed to get his own trilogy? Member when Boba Fett was going to get his own movie? I member.

Now they see the huge success of The Mandolorian and are making a dozen new Disney+ series!!! Good, I truly hope Kathleen Kennedy keeps putting competent people in charge of those series.

Lets hope they don't suck as much as most of the recent movies have.

A louder & more active minority does not equate to a majority. Even Sherdog's own pole puts you in the minority but if anyone came into this thread they'd probably get the opposite opinion. The fact is that most people who like the sequels came in, said their peace & moved on & are now out there scoring with 10's & doing things they enjoy rather than arguing with the haters. Meanwhile the haters camp out in these threads & circle jerk each other daily to the point where they mistakenly feel like their opinion is the only opinion.

Again, this is another distraction from our convo. See the underlined part above & please try to speak to that without going off on tangents.

Pretty Please with sugar on top
​

 

[Myrddin Wild]

I'm interested, go ahead and look it up.

And while you're at it, go ahead and come up with a good explanation why Luke went to the 'most unfindable place in the galaxy' to die, yet split the map to find him between BB8 and R2D2 so they can eventually find him.

So, go ahead, post the exact concept art commissioned by Lucas when he was in pre-production of the sequel trilogy, before the Disney buy-out, that justifies Luke being a cowardly hermit as 'Lucas's vision.'

You seem to have calmed down a bit from flaming on me... and I appreciate that... but after dissing me for a week, I told you I'm not going to share with you what I know unless you asked nicely & said "please." You're words here come off as demanding & a bit rude like I'm some insubordinate employee of yours or something.

Feel free to look it up yourself... but if you want me to share it with you, you're going to have to show a little respect. It's neither my job to tell you haters everything I know... nor do I have a personal need to share with you.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

Images Show Massive Set for OBI-WAN KENOBI Series; Residents Unhapy with Production

Furious villagers have slammed Star Wars bosses after a massive film set for a new spin-off series starring Ewan McGregor arrived at an abandoned quarry - and could stay there for three years. Disney has set up a huge set in Little Marlow, Buckinghamshire, to film the upcoming Star War spin-off TV series about Obi-Wan Kenobi. Filming for the series, which will see Ewan McGregor reprise his role as the Jedi knight, could last for three years and is due to begin in March. Villagers are furious over the 'massive production,' with concerns over traffic, lighting and local wildlife.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...Wan-Kenobi-series-arrives-disused-quarry.html

 

[minute bull]

Local scum....

 

[fungi]

I actually spent the time to rewatch the sequels, out of complete boredom.

What a steaming pile of dogshit!

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

I actually spent the time to rewatch the sequels, out of complete boredom.

What a steaming pile of dogshit!

that's pretty fucking bored man

 

[GearSolidMetal]

YouTube reminded me today about one of the reasons I liked Rogue One so much.

I took my mom & dad to see Ep7, and then just my mom to see Rogue One.

She said afterward "I felt sad when the droid died."

<Lmaoo>

Apparently she didn't care for any other human characters dying, but only the not-alive character when it died.

 

[Loiosh]

I took my mom & dad to see Ep7, and then just my mom to see Rogue One.

She said afterward "I felt sad when the droid died."

<Lmaoo>

Apparently she didn't care for any other human characters dying, but only the not-alive character when it died.

He was a GREAT character.

K-2SO : I'll be there for you.

[Jyn looks at K-2SO]

K-2SO : Cassian said I had to.​

 

[FyrFytr998]

He was a GREAT character.

K-2SO : I'll be there for you.

[Jyn looks at K-2SO]

K-2SO : Cassian said I had to.​

I loved K2Sassy.

You're both wrong.

Not really. It's personal. I'd do the morally right thing after Johnson got his.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Who is this person that I like? I never said I "like" KK. I'm neutral. I have enjoyed the content that's come out under her watch, but I understand that as a high ranking public face of Lucas Film that she may speak more politically than honestly at times.

She only speaks politically, and you take everything she says at face value. That indicates you like and trust her.

Has she ever said anything you thought, instinctively, was bullshit?

Just because I don't feel that she's dissing the EU in any way... doesn't mean I'm defending her or anything of the sort. When this news first came out & I heard the haterz saying that she doesn't understand that there's an EU or that she's dissing the EU or whatever your lot is on about. I went with an open mind to the article... & read it myself. I felt it was very obvious she was speaking about the challenges of writing an original story and contrasting that against the process of writing a movie based on previous & proven stories. This is so obvious to me that I'm baffled you don't see it.

You're defending her. Don't bother challenging that. I'm baffled you don't see how you've passionately defended her bullshit PR statements in this thread, and then say "I'm not defending her."

You seem to be throwing everything & the kitchen sink at this. Let me ask you some rhetorical questionz:

The answer to all of these is "nothing."

Then I didn't even read them.

She's making a contrast between writing an original story vs a previously written story. That's very obvious to me.

THEY'RE
NOT
ORIGINAL

I already stated how the sequel trilogy is either ripped off other Star Wars movies or introduce annoying fetch quest mcguffins to fill up their two and a half hour runtime. Yet, you think just because Queen Kathleen says they're original that means they're original.

Wow. How are you not defending her again?

I never said that I believe her.

Then say if you do or don't believe her.

No list of all the great & successful things kk's dun? (lol... cheap shot there right back atcha) If she's responsible for the bad, she's also responsible for the good yeah?

I'm aware of her long list of movies she produced, but there were many producers on all of those movies. There's no word of what she was responsible for in its production or not responsible for. Was she on set constantly or merely in the board room making decisions on who to hire?

So go ahead, please post your knowledge of her contributions as a producer in many Hollywood blockbusters.

You said that there was no evidence at all that the GOTs guys can't write an original script without an already previously proven storyline to play off of. (there is a difference you're not acknowledging btw) I'm simply pointing out that her words are a piece of evidence. Whether you believe it or not, is irrelevant to the fact that it is actually a piece of evidence that's on the table for discussion. You said there was no evidence.

You're really grasping for straws in this whole discussion.

And just because I just said you're grasping for straws is evidence you're grasping for straws.


But seriously, the substance of your posts... ...defending Kathleen Kennedy constantly while saying you're not defending her....
...not saying if you believe her while taking everything she says at face value..
...indicates you're grasping at straws.

I disagree with the things you said about the Sequels here, but again:

• What does that have to do with my interpretation of what she said?

No one cares about your interpretation.

This & the things I pointed out above are you just venting out your distaste of the sequels as well as KK... but none of this stuff has to do with our interpretation of her words.

Yeah, it does. She says writing original stories are difficult, which is true.

If only the sequel trilogy had original stories.

We're not talking about whether or not we believe it..

YOU are not talking about whether or not YOU believe it.

Because you believe it.

we're not talking about whether the sequels did actually borrow too much from previous material to be considered original.

YOU are not talking about whether the sequels did actually borrow too much from previous material to be considered original.

Because they borrow too much from previous material to be considered original.

Our current conversation is whether or not she was dissing the EU by saying that there were no stories for them to write off of. I think it's very obvious that pov is taken out of context.

And that's the thing, the sequels HAVE borrowed TWO stories from the EU, and that goes completely against her saying they're original stories.

So why am I complaining about them, if she did exactly what I would want her to do? Because the movies did them a piss poor way.

One - Han and Leia's son falls to the darkside and leads a war on the new republic.

Two - Palpatine is resurrected.

One, Jacen wasn't a whining bitch wishing he could be as badass as his grandfather.
Two, Palpatine in Dark Empire wasn't executed very well... but it was far better than in Ep9.

So yeah, sorry to bust your Kathleen Kennedy worship, but by her own definition the sequels aren't original... and that leaves out everything they borrowed from the previous movies.

Really? I hadn't heard of that.
The EU does exist though. I have physical books that prove it. I can hold it in my hand & so I can say with 100% certainty that it does exist.

& don't look now, but they've always been decannonized. Lucas had "levels of canon"... & only his movies were at the top tier & any of that stuff in the EU could be over-written at any time. All Disney did was start making more canon at the highest level & simply drew the line thicker between what is & isn't canon. But all that stuff never was the highest level of canon & so it never existed as 100% guaranteed real world. ("In universe" real world of coarse)

Yes, care to say anything that isn't already common knowledge?

Everything is decanonized until it was canonized again.

A louder & more active minority does not equate to a majority. Even Sherdog's own pole puts you in the minority but if anyone came into this thread they'd probably get the opposite opinion.

What poll?

The fact is that most people who like the sequels came in, said their peace & moved on & are now out there scoring with 10's & doing things they enjoy rather than arguing with the haters.

What poll again had most Sherdoggers scored the sequels a 10?

Meanwhile the haters camp out in these threads & circle jerk each other daily to the point where they mistakenly feel like their opinion is the only opinion.

This so much more of a reflection of your perception of reality.

You seem to have calmed down a bit from flaming on me... and I appreciate that... but after dissing me for a week, I told you I'm not going to share with you what I know unless you asked nicely & said "please." You're words here come off as demanding & a bit rude like I'm some insubordinate employee of yours or something.

Feel free to look it up yourself... but if you want me to share it with you, you're going to have to show a little respect. It's neither my job to tell you haters everything I know... nor do I have a personal need to share with you.

Again, this is another distraction from our convo. See the underlined part above & please try to speak to that without going off on tangents.

Pretty Please with sugar on top​

Translation : I got jack shit.


Concession accepted.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

He was a GREAT character.

K-2SO : I'll be there for you.

[Jyn looks at K-2SO]

K-2SO : Cassian said I had to.​

Agreed.

As everyone can tell I have mostly hated Disney's tenure of Star Wars.

But... there's ONE aspect they have nailed from Day 1... the droids are fucking awesome.

Truth be told, I have never cared for R2D2 or C3PO. I get their roles in the story, Luke's dialogue to R2D2 is just exposition and C3PO is cowardly to make everyone else seem that much more brave. C3PO is supposed to be comedy relief but to me it was more annoying to me, ESPECIALLY in Ep2. God, I wish he was smashed to bits in that conveyor belt.

But BB8(sequel trilogy), K2SO (Rogue One), and IG-11 (Mandolorian) are fucking awesome. I literally have no complaints whatsoever regarding any of them.

'But you don't like R2D2 but like BB8? They're practically the same character.' Yeah, probably because of the improved design. I admit by justification is a bit faulty on that one.

K2S0 is the best character in Rogue One. Hands down. Best possible example of comedy relief in a Star Wars movie.

IG-11 is as badass as how I envisioned IG-88 to be, and he went out like the T-800 did in Terminator 2, for bonus points.

But still, the absolute best droid in Star Wars history is HK-47. For those who haven't played KOTOR, watch this video.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

so true about sequels and 'stand alone ' movies and series droids

all excellent, though I will always have a soft spot for r2, especially after clone wars

 

[FyrFytr998]

Eat this shit sammich Rian Johnson.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

She only speaks politically, and you take everything she says at face value. That indicates you like and trust her.

Has she ever said anything you thought, instinctively, was bullshit?

You're defending her. Don't bother challenging that. I'm baffled you don't see how you've passionately defended her bullshit PR statements in this thread, and then say "I'm not defending her."

Then I didn't even read them.

THEY'RE
NOT
ORIGINAL

I already stated how the sequel trilogy is either ripped off other Star Wars movies or introduce annoying fetch quest mcguffins to fill up their two and a half hour runtime. Yet, you think just because Queen Kathleen says they're original that means they're original.

Wow. How are you not defending her again?

Then say if you do or don't believe her.

I'm aware of her long list of movies she produced, but there were many producers on all of those movies. There's no word of what she was responsible for in its production or not responsible for. Was she on set constantly or merely in the board room making decisions on who to hire?

So go ahead, please post your knowledge of her contributions as a producer in many Hollywood blockbusters.

You're really grasping for straws in this whole discussion.

And just because I just said you're grasping for straws is evidence you're grasping for straws.

But seriously, the substance of your posts... ...defending Kathleen Kennedy constantly while saying you're not defending her....
...not saying if you believe her while taking everything she says at face value..
...indicates you're grasping at straws.

No one cares about your interpretation.

Yeah, it does. She says writing original stories are difficult, which is true.

If only the sequel trilogy had original stories.

YOU are not talking about whether or not YOU believe it.

Because you believe it.

YOU are not talking about whether the sequels did actually borrow too much from previous material to be considered original.

Because they borrow too much from previous material to be considered original.

And that's the thing, the sequels HAVE borrowed TWO stories from the EU, and that goes completely against her saying they're original stories.

So why am I complaining about them, if she did exactly what I would want her to do? Because the movies did them a piss poor way.

One - Han and Leia's son falls to the darkside and leads a war on the new republic.

Two - Palpatine is resurrected.

One, Jacen wasn't a whining bitch wishing he could be as badass as his grandfather.
Two, Palpatine in Dark Empire wasn't executed very well... but it was far better than in Ep9.

So yeah, sorry to bust your Kathleen Kennedy worship, but by her own definition the sequels aren't original... and that leaves out everything they borrowed from the previous movies.

Yes, care to say anything that isn't already common knowledge?

Everything is decanonized until it was canonized again.

This so much more of a reflection of your perception of reality.

Translation : I got jack shit.

Concession accepted.

This is you avoiding the subject again. We can talk about all this stuff if you want after we finish up what we started on. however, I'm not going to let you just avoid it by changing the subject & attacking me personally.

Did she or did she not compare writing an original movie to making a movie based on a pre-written & proven novel or comic?

What poll?

What poll again had most Sherdoggers scored the sequels a 10?

I never said more people gave it a 10 compared to the haters.

I said that the haters the minority. I'm getting more & more convinced that you're just in here to flame no matter what anyone else says... so I'm going to lay this out... with links... & all the data calculated... & see if you have the nuts to admit you were wrong or if you try & slink your way out of this with some kind of fancy verbal fuckery like you're attempting to do above.

Here'z the Sherdog thread poll results for the movie that set you haters off.

580 people voted

• 378 (65%) voted 5 – 10 indicating neutral to loved it
• 202 (35%) voted 1 – 4 indicating they didn’t like it.
  • (that's you & your crew that's in teh minority. )
  • 
• 73 voted 5 indicating they were neutral, so even if you take them out of the people who didn’t dislike it… you still get:
• 305 voted 6 – 10 indicating that they liked it to loved it, which is a whopping 100+ people more than those who didn’t like it.

Spoiler

Lets do it again for TROS

Sherdog’s voting poll
312 people voted

• 198 (63%) voted 5 – 10 indicating neutral to loved it
• 114 (37%) voted 1 = 4 indicating they didn’t like it.
  • (that's you & your crew that's in teh minority.)
  • 
• 47 voted 5 indicating they were neutral, so even if you take them out of the people from neutral to loved it, you still get:
• 151 voted 6 – 10 indicating that they liked it to loved it, which still leaves the haters very handily in the minority.

So now that you said the following...

This so much more of a reflection of your perception of reality.
Translation : I got jack shit.

... regarding your accusation that I'm falsely reporting the haters being the minority in Sherdog's own polls... your own words now apply to you yeah? You got jack shit. Your lack of understanding the facts is a reflection of you.

Those are your words, not mine.

& now you gotta suck em.
Will you though? Are you man enough to admit you were wrong?

The fact is that I do actually know what I'm talking about, but you're so busy flaming that you can't take a step back to realize it. I admit if I'm shown to be wrong on the dog. it's not a big deal. If someone makes their case, I'll come right out & admit it. You don't seem capable of that. Lets see what you say now that I laid out 2 sherdog polls with links that back up EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN TELLING YOU, while you've been saying these terrible things about me being wrong about it & what that means about me as a person.

It's just like all those distractions you keep putting up in your first quote above. You know I'm right about KK describing a contrast between "making a movie from an original story compared to making a movie from a pre-written story," but instead of fessing up, you keep bringing up these other topics to try & avoid the subject.

Concession accepted.

This is in regards to you being ignorant of the fact that Lucas wrote Luke to be a frustrated hermit.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough when I told you I don't give a fuck what you believe. You go ahead & keep believing your mis-information, but Lucas wrote Luke to be much like he is in TLJ. There's even concept art he had made that looks very spookily like the very disturbed looking luke we see in TLJ.

I told you I'd share the link if you ask nicely. You can't seem to manage it though, so why would I share a cool piece of information with someone who just wants to insult me? look it up yourself... because you're the one looking like an ass spreading your uninformed misinformation just like when you insisted that the haters were not the minority.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

This is you avoiding the subject again. We can talk about all this stuff if you want after we finish up what we started on. however, I'm not going to let you just avoid it by changing the subject & attacking me personally.

You threw the first stone by saying I was trolling.

And bringing up her "There was no source material" quote and pointing out it was 3 wees after David and Dave quit is 'changing the subject?'



No, its facts being included in a discussion that you don't want included in the discussion because it makes you look like a fool.

Which it has.

580 people voted

• 378 (65%) voted 5 – 10 indicating neutral to loved it
• 202 (35%) voted 1 – 4 indicating they didn’t like it.

So that's your standard? Someone saying its a 5/10 or above to indicate its 'good?'

How about looking at that from another perspective...

People who's rate Ep8 as a 7/10 or above 212.
People who rate Ep8 as 6/10 or above 368.

Statistics are a bitch aren't they?

Anyway, that poll taken immediately after Ep8 came out so people who voted only had seen it once. Since then people have seen it multiple times, and even the GOOD Disney Star Wars films have aged like milk and the flaws become so very more apparent with repeated viewings.

Lets do it again for TROS

Yes, lets do it.

7/10 and above = 105
6/10 and below = 207

Now, in addition to the 1 to 2 margin, look at the total number of people that voted in the Ep9 poll in comparison to the Ep8.

580 Sherdoggers saw Ep8 and 312 Sherdoggers saw Ep9. Wow. That's pure indifference to how the trilogy would conclude after seeing Ep8.



And I skimmed the rest of your post because you're whining about being called out on your bullshit is getting pathetic.

Its one thing to know when you're beat and keep on fighting anyway, but jesus christ man stop acting like such a bitch.

Either post the concept art....

...wait...

Nah, nevermind. I'm not interested in seeing it anymore.

 

[KoreanZawmbie]

love this thread

 

[Myrddin Wild]

You threw the first stone by saying I was trolling.

And bringing up her "There was no source material" quote and pointing out it was 3 wees after David and Dave quit is 'changing the subject?'

BidenShutIt

No, its facts being included in a discussion that you don't want included in the discussion because it makes you look like a fool.

Which it has.

On top of your trolling you also have a bad memory?

I fielded what you brought up regarding the GOT guys in more than one post. It actually supports that KK was referring to the difference between writing a new story vs making a movie based on prior content. That was the whole point of that stab she took on the GOT guyz.

You are still avoiding the subject... I asked you a very specific question that you keep avoiding. here it is again: Did she or did she not compare writing an original movie to making a movie based on a pre-written & proven novel or comic?

So that's your standard? Someone saying its a 5/10 or above to indicate its 'good?'

Wow, I knew you would try & find a way to bullshit your way around this.

The topic is whether or not the "haters" are in the minority. 5 & above are people who were neutral to loved it. ie... NOT HATERS. I even took it a step further & showed how you can even take out the neutral votes & the haters are still in the minority.

Case closed.

7/10 and above = 105

Statistics are a bitch aren't they?

Why would you not include 6 in with "people who are not haters?"

Even 5 should be included. They don't hate it or even dislike it... so they're not haters.

6/10 and below = 207

the 6 rating is literally people who thought it was "decent."

Question: How can people who say that the movie was "decent" be included in a category called "haters?"

That's what we're discussing. I said the haters are in the minority & now you're adding people who said it was "decent" to the hater count. This from someone who claims he's not trolling.

Now, in addition to the 1 to 2 margin, look at the total number of people that voted in the Ep9 poll in comparison to the Ep8.

580 Sherdoggers saw Ep8 and 312 Sherdoggers saw Ep9. Wow. That's pure indifference to how the trilogy would conclude after seeing Ep8.

More diversionary tactics to avoid admitting that you were proven wrong that the haters are the minority.

you're guessing as to the reason sherdoggers didn't show up to vote as heavily. yet the percentage was still about the same & haters still ended up the minority.

It very well could've been the 2 fooking years of toxicity in TLJ thread that made them not want to return to Star Wars threads. I'll give you though that for sure some people were turned off by "Not my Luke" & so the sales from TROS were slightly less than TLJ, but it still made a billion 074 million & so even after all the "not my Luke" people split, only 24 movies have ever sold more. (31 if you include 7 cartoons) Not bad for what you're trying to make out to be a complete disaster.

The fact is that not everyone is traumatized by Not My Luke... & a lot of people do in fact like the sequels. that's real.

Its one thing to know when you're beat and keep on fighting anyway, but jesus christ man stop acting like such a bitch.

Either post the concept art....

...wait...

Nah, nevermind. I'm not interested in seeing it anymore.

Lucas' concept art for the sequels existed before the sale to Disney. That's a fact. it's pretty fooking cool too... that's why I'm not going to share it with someone who insists on insulting me.

 

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On top of your trolling you also have a bad memory?

Ok, I'm done with you.

Not even going to bother reading the rest of your post.

Post the Lucas concept art or consider your concession accepted.