Star Wars Discussion: Obi-Wan vs. Mace Windu

there was an old thread the was sort of like this but it involved a Jedi and one of these, and it was pretty obvious in the end that this type of mofo would own a Jedi

Librarian in Terminator armor

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think of a 9 foot tall super human with basically indestructible armor and very strong psychic powers

one of these bastards can kill with a thought, whole armies in a thought
 
What about, who could solo the Star Wars universe :redface:?

Galactus could do it.
 
Samuel L Jackson = Greatest African American actor of all time. Deal with it.
 
Dooku and Mace were the only ones who could keep pace with Yoda. Dooku handled obi wan pretty easily, I'm guessing Mace would do the same
 
CrayonWendigo said:
As for the fight between Mace and Obi-Wan, here is my analysis...
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This is an excellent analysis sir. However, I do disagree with your conclusion. Even though Obi-Wan's style makes him perfectly suited to counter Mace, as he had already done with Darth Maul who practiced Juyo (The dark form of Vaapad if you will), I would still give the advantage to Mace (albeit very slight).

Mace had fought Grievous, who had used what Mace referred to as a "passable imitation of Vaapad" and defeated him (only to have Dooku save Grievous) so to use that as a comparison doesn't really hold that much weight in my mind. Also in terms of the Anakin/Obi-Wan duel, Anakin was fighting on so much raw emotion and anger that he was rendered completely pathetic in it. Again, it doesn't really speak to Obi-Wan's lightsaber skills as it does to his ability to stay calm in the face of a hurricane.

Obi-Wan was an incredibly cerebral fighter which enhanced his mastery of soresu, however, Mace co-created Vaapad and perfectly embodied his form as well.

So you have two masters of their respective forms which leaves the question, which form do you think is better? Or in other terms, which is better, offence or defence?

This is where my opinion diverges from yours, I think Mace has a better mastery of his form and force strength that he overpowers Obi-Wan despite his defensive prowess. Even so I would only give Mace a 60-40 advantage.
 
On Christopher Lee...I have to disagree with Madmick(I think). Great villain on line delivery and voice alone. Think HAL9000...or Vader even. I blame Lucas for any character defaults.

On Maul...super badass character, but his weak voice and line delivery took some of the venom out of his sting for me.

I really wish both character were exploited a bit more. Missed potential.

On Mace's actor...Forrest may have very well fit, that's an interesting call. Forrest's soft voice with screen presence = speaking softly while carrying a big saber. He can have Jackson's conviction with his glare alone.
 
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Dooku is the best star wars character eva.

Sam Jackson sucked as Mace Windu. Terrible lightsaber skills.
 
An intelligible response?! In the Mayberry?! Am I in the Matrix? Lol, anyways...

CrayonWendigo said:
As for Anakin: Fighting with emotion is the Sith way. All Sith channel rage, fear, lust, or whatever else they are feeling to enhance their mastery of the Force. Anakin also has the advantage as a newly turned Sith, to likely maintain the "power boost" Jedi seem to get when they first turn to the Dark Side. All Jedi who momentarily "give in to the Dark Side" impulses, seem to enhance their power immensely for that brief moment. That is the temptation of the Dark Side right there.
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I agree that fighting with emotion is the Sith way, but for the most part, when they fight it is more the anger and fear that they experience and channel. For Anakin he was dealing with the death of Padame, having to kill Mace and all of the younglings, and having to fight his own master to the death, whom he already thought as superior to. I think in this case he gave in to his emotions a little too much which lead to his defeat. There's a run on sentence in there lol, I've had too much to drink to worry about it though.

CrayonWendigo said:
Yeah. Mace Windu was magnificent at his form. As you said: He was the co-creator with that other Jedi, whose name escapes me.
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It was Sora Bulq with Mace. Don't worry, I had to look that up.

CrayonWendigo said:
You see, whereas I agree that Mace is the better exemplification of his form, I think the focus on offense v. the focus on defense is where he ultimately will not be able to preavil. For these reasons:

1. Vapaad, as another poster points out, requires constant Force usage to maintain. You have to be basically channelling the Force to maintain that aggression while keeping one's state of mind pure.

2. Offense is inherently more tiring than defense.

3. The more offensive a style is, the more likely it opens one to counters.

Very good analysis, though! Your points are well thought out, but I still have to maintain the slight advantage.
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Again, this is where I said our opinions would diverge. I do think that Mace, despite having the more draining form would be able to defeat Obi-Wan based on his mastery of Vaapad and the Force. Don't get me wrong, I do think that Obi-Wan is powerful in his own way, just not in this duel.
 
I bet Mace tunes him up in sparring, but come fight night Obi Wan takes it up a few under the lights.
 
Pretty sure Mace takes this:

- Force Wave: An omnidirectional or focused blast of energy.

- Force Crush: Can use telekinesis to internally strike or attack his target, usually by applying pressure on organs.

- Force Push: Uses telekinesis to blast with Force energy outward.

- Telekensis: Psychically uses this power to affect objects through mind over matter.

- Telepathy: Can easily manipulate others mentally with the Force to trick, deceive, maim or even kill outright. Can also use this power externally or internally when it comes to illusion creation, manifestation, and manipulation; see range for more details.

- Shatterpoints: Windu forecasts fate to tell him how to deal with enemies, what their weaknesses and strengths are, how their actions or his affect things directly or indirectly to win; such as killing Dooku in the first year of the war would've been the Shatterpoint to end the Clone Wars, by the end it was linked to Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Palpatine.
 
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