Star Trek: Discovery V3.0 (First Trailer Released)

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So todays rumor is that one of the Star Fleet ships will be destroyed in the premiere forcing all crew onto one vessel, which will then become the Discovery.
 
So todays rumor is that one of the Star Fleet ships will be destroyed in the premiere forcing all crew onto one vessel, which will then become the Discovery.

Caretaker anyone?
 
Caretaker anyone?
Yeah, I guess it really depends on the relationship between the crews. Just a rumor, but I did go right to Voyager when I read that. We gotta be getting a premise soon.
 
Yeah, I guess it really depends on the relationship between the crews. Just a rumor, but I did go right to Voyager when I read that. We gotta be getting a premise soon.

I mean the whole "exploration of uncharted territory" sounded like Voyager a lot already.

I agree with your last sentence. They need to give us more (or stuff is gonna leak).
 
nearly through the 2nd season of enterprise - it definitely started off slow but has picked up steam of late.
 
nearly through the 2nd season of enterprise - it definitely started off slow but has picked up steam of late.
Yeah, ENT really becomes a great show in season 2. They did so much cool stuff in that show, that has gone unappreciated for too long. I'm glad people are finally abe to check it out on streaming sites. I actually they take some cues from Enterprise, on Discovery.
 
Todays rumor is CBS has fired its entire VFX team for Discovery. This could be good or bad depending on who they hire. In house special effects teams are becoming more rare, and there is tons of competition with outside firms.
 
Todays rumor is CBS has fired its entire VFX team for Discovery. This could be good or bad depending on who they hire. In house special effects teams are becoming more rare, and there is tons of competition with outside firms.

You got a source for that?

I liked what I saw in the teaser. Hope it is a matter of 'not good enough' and not of 'not Guardians of the Galaxy enough'
 
Ugh... Voyager neutered the Borg so fucking badly.
I have no idea what you mean. "Neutered" in the sense that they survived the onslaught and "beat" the borg in the last minute of Endgame? "Neutered" in the sense that they pushed the "individuality vs collective" relationship in drones' minds further? "Neutered" in the sense that once they entered their territory, new aspects of the Collective were revealed?

Just that episode where drones who have fled the Collective pursue Seven to regain their individuality: it's way more complex, way deeper than the Hugh storyline of "I have talked to him, he is now my friend". And don't get me started on the Data / Lore storyline, damn!

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Then there's Drone, Unimatrix 0 two-parter, Dark FUCKING Frontier two parter... What are you talking about? You realize a two-parter episode is basically a movie. We have two right-here, entirely focused on the borg! TNG had a handful of episodes, great! A whole movie in First Contact! Voyager got hours of material, much more diverse. Inside the borg territory, inside a cube, inside a sphere, inside the Collective, fight with the Queen herself, Janeway and senior officers assimilated, Tuvoc, out of all the choices, is the first to succomb to the Queens mind control. Why is that? Mystery or Vulcan riddle wrapped in a mystery?

I still don't understand: neutered how? Because you didn't watch at all?

I have very little faith in any new Star Trek incarnations.

Shit will be blowing up every episode. Eventually someone will be twerking.
Although last Star Trek movie wasn't horrible, the constant one-liners in face of destruction ruined it for me. Every time a planet is ready to explode, they either pan to Bones who says "that's gonna leave a mark" or they pan to Spock who says "that"s illogical Captain" while Kirk is eating an apple. Every. Fucking. Time.

I'm done.
 
I disagree. Looks like an old Matt Jeffries Design. Not sure whether I like the TOS prequel thing it implies but I love the Name and the Design
I fear that by deciding once again to go back before TOS, they will turn Discovery into Enterprise's Enterprise. Good concept with a lack of focus and too much character dev.
 
You got a source for that?

I liked what I saw in the teaser. Hope it is a matter of 'not good enough' and not of 'not Guardians of the Galaxy enough'
It has been posted by a few sources, saying they were let go last Friday. This post has some info on why. https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/5u3q0i/star_trek_discoverys_vfx_team_being_laid_off_at/

There are several post on various news sites, but nothing official from CBS. Apparently the VFX team as experienced some turn over, and now that production is in full swing, the producers are realizing the scope of the VFX works has greatly expanded, and instead of building a huge in-house team, they will need to go through some of the big VFX houses.
 
It has been posted by a few sources, saying they were let go last Friday. This post has some info on why. https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/5u3q0i/star_trek_discoverys_vfx_team_being_laid_off_at/

There are several post on various news sites, but nothing official from CBS. Apparently the VFX team as experienced some turn over, and now that production is in full swing, the producers are realizing the scope of the VFX works has greatly expanded, and instead of building a huge in-house team, they will need to go through some of the big VFX houses.

That seems like a stunning realization. I mean did they not calculate with 7 something million per episode?

Hope SFX won't be a clusterfuck after this.
 
Todays rumor is CBS has fired its entire VFX team for Discovery. This could be good or bad depending on who they hire. In house special effects teams are becoming more rare, and there is tons of competition with outside firms.

Buddy of mine knows some productions/CGI people and mentioned that he knows those folks are doing scans of the gal from TWD for Discovery.
 
I have no idea what you mean. "Neutered" in the sense that they survived the onslaught and "beat" the borg in the last minute of Endgame? "Neutered" in the sense that they pushed the "individuality vs collective" relationship in drones' minds further? "Neutered" in the sense that once they entered their territory, new aspects of the Collective were revealed?

Just that episode where drones who have fled the Collective pursue Seven to regain their individuality: it's way more complex, way deeper than the Hugh storyline of "I have talked to him, he is now my friend". And don't get me started on the Data / Lore storyline, damn!

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Then there's Drone, Unimatrix 0 two-parter, Dark FUCKING Frontier two parter... What are you talking about? You realize a two-parter episode is basically a movie. We have two right-here, entirely focused on the borg! TNG had a handful of episodes, great! A whole movie in First Contact! Voyager got hours of material, much more diverse. Inside the borg territory, inside a cube, inside a sphere, inside the Collective, fight with the Queen herself, Janeway and senior officers assimilated, Tuvoc, out of all the choices, is the first to succomb to the Queens mind control. Why is that? Mystery or Vulcan riddle wrapped in a mystery?

I still don't understand: neutered how? Because you didn't watch at all?

Although last Star Trek movie wasn't horrible, the constant one-liners in face of destruction ruined it for me. Every time a planet is ready to explode, they either pan to Bones who says "that's gonna leave a mark" or they pan to Spock who says "that"s illogical Captain" while Kirk is eating an apple. Every. Fucking. Time.

I'm done.


They completely de-fanged the Borg in Voyager. They went from being nearly unstoppable with one cube easily destroying dozens of Federation ships to the Borg being constantly punked by Voyager despite being on the Borg's home turf.

That and how Species 8472 took their lunch.

Also, how they went from having a nearly insurmountable engineering advantage with their collective minds in TNG, to being completely incapable of engineering their own technologies in Voyager.
They completely took away the Borg's ability to problem solve, outright stating that they don't "investigate," they "assimilate." The fact that they needed Voyager to figure out how to use their own nanoprobes against Species 8472 was retarded.

They only used them a few times in TNG because of how powerful they made them out to be. They couldn't use them often because to do so they would have had to create increasingly contrived situations, or nerf them, like Voyager did, in order for the Enterprise to survive. The Borg are the kind of antagonists that should only be used rarely as it's not possible to use them regularly while keeping them as powerful as they were originally, and still have a happy ending.
 
They completely de-fanged the Borg in Voyager. They went from being nearly unstoppable with one cube easily destroying dozens of Federation ships to the Borg being constantly punked by Voyager despite being on the Borg's home turf.

That and how Species 8472 took their lunch.

Also, how they went from having a nearly insurmountable engineering advantage with their collective minds in TNG, to being completely incapable of engineering their own technologies in Voyager.
They completely took away the Borg's ability to problem solve, outright stating that they don't "investigate," they "assimilate." The fact that they needed Voyager to figure out how to use their own nanoprobes against Species 8472 was retarded.

They only used them a few times in TNG because of how powerful they made them out to be. They couldn't use them often because to do so they would have had to create increasingly contrived situations, or nerf them, like Voyager did, in order for the Enterprise to survive. The Borg are the kind of antagonists that should only be used rarely as it's not possible to use them regularly while keeping them as powerful as they were originally, and still have a happy ending.
Your points are all very well presented. But you forgot to take the gap between "hype" and "threat level" into account. Yes, the TNG Borg were made to look invincible. It doesn't change the fact that every episode involving the Borg ended in victory for the Federation. Sometimes with one simple word: sleep.

Sure the Borg were made to look terrifying. Their shields are impenetrable and they regenerate. But just go get Locutus, use him to tell them to sleep and everyone else is done for. Threat level: minimal. First Contact? Data "turns" at the last moment to say "resistance is futile" and all the Borg plans are neutralized. Threat level: 0.

Conclusion: if Voyager did in fact neuter the Borg, they didn't find a long "thing" to cut...
 
The new VFX house is apparently Pixamondo. They are a big international special effects team, who work on some huge projects, including the JJverse movies and Game of Thrones.
 


The What we left behind team, keeps releasing new content for the fund raiser. They have just crossed the $350k mark
 
I have no idea what you mean. "Neutered" in the sense that they survived the onslaught and "beat" the borg in the last minute of Endgame? "Neutered" in the sense that they pushed the "individuality vs collective" relationship in drones' minds further? "Neutered" in the sense that once they entered their territory, new aspects of the Collective were revealed?

Just that episode where drones who have fled the Collective pursue Seven to regain their individuality: it's way more complex, way deeper than the Hugh storyline of "I have talked to him, he is now my friend". And don't get me started on the Data / Lore storyline, damn!

Survival%2BInstinct.jpg


med_1408588998_image.jpg


Then there's Drone, Unimatrix 0 two-parter, Dark FUCKING Frontier two parter... What are you talking about? You realize a two-parter episode is basically a movie. We have two right-here, entirely focused on the borg! TNG had a handful of episodes, great! A whole movie in First Contact! Voyager got hours of material, much more diverse. Inside the borg territory, inside a cube, inside a sphere, inside the Collective, fight with the Queen herself, Janeway and senior officers assimilated, Tuvoc, out of all the choices, is the first to succomb to the Queens mind control. Why is that? Mystery or Vulcan riddle wrapped in a mystery?

I still don't understand: neutered how? Because you didn't watch at all?

Although last Star Trek movie wasn't horrible, the constant one-liners in face of destruction ruined it for me. Every time a planet is ready to explode, they either pan to Bones who says "that's gonna leave a mark" or they pan to Spock who says "that"s illogical Captain" while Kirk is eating an apple. Every. Fucking. Time.

I'm done.
One of the good things VOY did was explore the borg more. 7of9 was a pretty interesting character, that along with First Contact really explored the collective more. The Destiny book trilogy explores how the Borg were created and took over. In TNG the Borg were the freakiest enemy, just because they could effortlessly take out the best of Star Fleet. I thought Picard for sure was being killed off in Best of both Worlds.

Interesting fact, the Borg originally were suppose to be ant-like bug species. Micheal Westmore, the makeup legend, switched it to cybernetic creatures, due to limitations and cost with creating life like bug aliens, that didn't look silly, and could make a ship full of them.
 
@sverre054 there is a gif i posted somewhere that i tihnk you should use since you're the star trek guy clearly


BTW stellaris this game i've been playing has this bad ass Star trek mod i've been fucking with. fought a 30 year war with the Borg that strolled into the galaxy. Lost a lot of men :(
 
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